# Reitz Family Geneology (Kenneth Robert Reitz) - Elizabeth RICE b. 11/18/1612 d. 12/14/1690

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# Elizabeth RICE b. 11/18/1612 d. 12/14/16901

# Elizabeth RICE b. 11/18/1612 d. 12/14/16901 - Parents

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Henry RICE2 1564-1621 Buckhamstead, Hartford, England |  | (unknown image type)

Elizabeth FROST3 1588-1647 Stanstead, Suffolk, England |  | (unknown image type)

John RICE4 1606- Suffolk, England

Edward RICE5 1608-1616 Stanstead, Suffolk, England

Elizabeth RICE1 1612-1690 Stanstead, Suffolk, England |  | (unknown image type)

Mary RICE6 1615- Stanstead, Suffolk, England

Anne RICE7 1618- Stanstead, Suffolk, England

## Notes

1. [[Category:Puritan Great Migration]] {{Puritan Great Migration}} ---- == Disputed Origins ==Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Rice and Elizabeth (Frost) Whale.She was the adopted daughter of Elizabeth'S second husband Philemon Whale. Many genealogical studies of John(1) Moore and his family claim that his last wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Philemon1 Whale of Sudbury, who calls her his daughter in his will. Many have taken this to mean that she was Elizabeth, bapt 31 Jan 1593 to Philemon Whale in Checkney, Essex England.<ref>IGI Batch #F506660, sheet 047, call #1553362, citing Film 455484, Parish Registers of Chickney, Essex; baptisms</ref> Robert Charles Anderson<ref>Robert Charles Anderson, "The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts,'' in ''The Genealogist,'' 6 (1985):131-41</ref> has argued that she was actually a daughter of Henry and Elizabeth (Frost) Rice of Stanstead, co. Suffolk, England, and a ''stepdaughter'' of Philemon Whale, who married Henry Rice'swidow. Philemon Whale did not marry Elizabeth Frost (widow of Henry Rice) until 1621, had their first child (dau Sarah) in 1622; a subsequent birth of Elizabeth would too late to parent the Elizabeth who marries in 1639. Then to really confirm this, "...a microfilm of a transcript of the Bishop's Transcripts for Little Gaddesden was checked (FHL #1040857, item 3)... under the date of 27 Nov 1633, we find the marriage of 'Johannes More & Elizabetha Rice." ... There can be no doubt that this is the marriage of the immigrants to Sudbury, Mass.<ref>John Plummer, "The English Origin of John1 Moore of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 66(1991):75-77</ref> == Biography == She was baptized 18 Nov 1612 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England, daughterof Henry Rice (d. 1620) and Elizabeth Frost. She married John Moore 27 Nov 1633 in Little Gaddesden, England. She died 14 Dec 1690 in Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts. == Sources == <references /> <!-- Please edit, add, or delete anything in this text, including this note. Be bold and experiment! If you make a mistake you can always see the previous version of the text on the Changes page. --> === Notes === : Note <span id='DI4206'>DI4206</span>(now Wayland) : Note <span id='NI4206'>NI4206</span>stepfather named Whale whose name she used Elizabeth4 RICE (#2564) was born, : before 18 November 1612
2. == Disputed Origins == The Henry Rice who married Elizabeth Frost (who then went on to marry[[Whale-11|Philemon Whale II]]) has been thought to be brother or father of the immigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] who settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts about 1638. <ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p134: QUOTE NEEDED</ref> == Biography == Henry Rice or Rys of Ratcliffe was born 1564 [others say 1588] in Wapping, Ratcliffe, East Mithfield, St. Katherine's Whitechapel, Middlesex [other say Suffolk], England. He married first 1605 [seems late given 1564 birth year; are we conflating two men here, one generation apart??] Elizabeth Frost... [is this right?] In "English Notes on Edmund Rice," Mary Lovering Holman<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-137</ref> had searched the church register from Stanstead, Suffolk, England with the following results: One Henry Rice married Elizabeth Frost in November 1605. Supposed children, recorded in this register include: # Henry Ryce, son of Henry; buried September 1608 # Edward Ryce, baptized May 1608 # Henry Ryce, baptized Feb 1609/10; # Elizabeth Ryce, baptized November 1612 # Mary Ryce, baptized Jun 1615 # Anne Ryce, baptized March 1617/8 One Henry Rice, the father?, was buried November 1621 in Stanstead.<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-136</ref> No will has been found. The Frosts were of Stanstead, but not the Rice name. == Research Notes ==:Henry Rice and his wife Elizabeth Frost '''were not''' the parents of the emigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Fromthe [http://edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm Edmund Rice (1638) Family Association]: :Twice in the 20th century nationally recognized research genealogists have attempted to determine the parents and ancestors of Edmund Rice:# Mary Lovering Holman described the negative result of her search for records in the parishes near Stanstead and Sudbury, Suffolk County, England in "English Notes on Edmund Rice … ", ''The American Genealogist''', Volume 10 (1933/34), pp. 133 - 137. Mrs. Holman is consideredby many to be one of the best research genealogists in the 20th century.# In 1997, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association commissioned Dr. JoannaMartin, a nationally recognized research genealogist who lives in England only a few miles from Stanstead and Sudbury to search again for records of Edmund Rice's parents. Dr. Martin reported in 1999 that she found no record that identified Edmund's parents or ancestral line... :::From Mrs. Holman's paper we have an excellent record of one Henry Rice's marriage to Elizabeth Frost in November 1605 at Stanstead. Mrs. Holman also documents the baptism of Edmund's first child on 23 August 1619 at Stanstead. If this is the Henry Rice and Elizabeth Frost to which the LDS records refer, the LDS records must be erroneous... If Henry was the father of Edmund the immigrant, it would have been by an earlier wife. The Edmund Rice (1638) Association makes it very clear that no proof has been found of Edmund's parentage.<ref>http://www.edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm</ref> == Sources == <references /> See also:* ''Catalogue of American genealogies in the library of the Long Island Historical Society,'' Brooklyn, N. Y.: The Society, 1935. Availableon ancestry.com* ''A volume of records relating to the early history of Boston,'' Boston: Municipal Print. Office, 1900-1909.** Note: Vols. 1-22, 1876-1890, issued as "Report of the Record Commissioners." In 1892 the Record Commissioners' Department (created in 1875 and known also as the Department of Ancient Records) was consolidated with the Registry Department, which continued the publication under the same title until 1900; with v. 29, the title was changed to its present form.* ''Middlesex, England, Extracted Parish Records,'' Ancestry.com. Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.* Ellery Bicknell Crane, ed., ''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County Massachusetts with a History of Worcester Society,'' [place? date?] According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.
3. {{Puritan Great Migration}} == Biography == Elizabeth Frost, daughter of Edward Frost, was baptized in Glemsford,Suffolk, England on 24 March 1587/8.<ref>"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-BXB : 30 December 2014, Elizabetha Frost, 24 Mar 1587); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.</ref> That Elizabeth Frost who married Henry Rice was daughter of Edward Frost and Thomasine Belgrave is claimed in "Ancestry of Thomasine (Frost) Rice," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 63:134::"Edward [Frost] bp. 13 March 1560/1... m. Glemsford 26 July 1585 THOMASINE BELGRAVE... Edward and Thomasine were the parents of the immigrants Elizabeth Frost (bp. Stanstead 24 March 1587[/8]), who m. (1) Henry Rice and (2) Philemon Whale, later of sudbury, Mass.;..." This is apparently also discussed further in Robert Charles Anderson,"The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in''The Genealogist,'' 6(1985):131-141. Died 20 Jun 1647 Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts?{{citation needed}}:There was an "Elizabeth, w. of [[Whale-11|Philemon Whale]]" who diedin Sudbury on this date.<ref>[http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Middlesex/Sudbury/Images/Sudbury_D329.gif Sudbury Vital Records to 1850], Deaths, p 329</ref> But how do we know her origins? Here's what Anderson says:<ref>''Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to N.E. 1620-1633, Vols. I-III,'' p 206 (Profile for Richard Brackett)</ref>:"Alice Frost, was sister of... Elizabeth Frost, who married first Henry Rice and then Philemon Whale, the latter also an immigrant to Sudbury [TAG 15:227, 26:10-11; TG 6:131-41; Stevens-Miller Anc 143-144]." But WHICH Henry Rice?:"Philemon Whale, who married Henry Rice's widow ("The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," ''The Genealogist,'' [TG] 6[1985]:131-41). '''Henry Rice is believed to be a brother of Edmund Rice of Sudbury,''' from whom John Moore purchased land in 1642."<ref>John Plummer, "The English Origins of John1 Moore of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 66:75</ref> == Sources == <references /> <!-- Please edit, add, or delete anything in this text, including this note. Be bold and experiment! If you make a mistake you can always see the previous version of the text on the Changes page. -->
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5. == Biography ==Edward Rice, the son of [[Rice-220|Henry Rice]] and [[Frost-76|Elizabeth Frost]], was probably born in April or May 1608 and was baptized at St. James Church in Stanstead, Suffolk, England in May 1608.<ref>Mary Lovering Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 134. Baptism of "Edward Ryce the son of Henry Ryce."</ref> Edward is specifically mention in the will of his grandfather, [[Frost-72|Edward Frost]], dated 26 July 1616 (proved 4 October 1616).<ref>Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice," 135.</ref> == Sources == <references /> == See Also ==*Holman, Mary Lovering. "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 133-136.
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