[{"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113641.7357759, "message": "Really excited by depot.io!", "group_id": 292, "id": 562454}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302113693.7285149, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302113699.6417129, "user_id": 4858}, {"date_created": 1302113702.8629601, "user_id": 205}, {"date_created": 1302113745.0191009, "user_id": 208}, {"date_created": 1302115617.2995131, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302118197.3507681, "user_id": 4156}, {"date_created": 1302120354.1471269, "user_id": 1152}, {"date_created": 1302126221.9814301, "user_id": 6415}, {"date_created": 1302746122.177563, "user_id": 19655}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113685.955694, "message": "Yeah, it's a hosting platform for Python packages, whether they are your own (private) or public (from PyPI)", "group_id": 292, "id": 562467}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302139942.7863741, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1302158263.880949, "user_id": 20196}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113688.2149429, "message": "hopefully with some security builtin as well", "group_id": 292, "id": 562469}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113705.199981, "message": "hopefully with an API for packaginator", "group_id": 292, "id": 562471}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113615.1562159, "message": "Is it a PyPI mirror-alike?", "group_id": 292, "id": 562445}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302113643.3660719, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302120336.292109, "user_id": 1152}, {"date_created": 1302461630.5958581, "user_id": 1760}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113634.9267969, "message": "@ericflo \"it can be a replacement for pypi\" -- jezdez (irc)", "group_id": 292, "id": 562452}, {"user_id": 4858, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113867.710392, "message": "This. Is. Awesome! Can't wait, want it right now!", "group_id": 292, "id": 562512}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113602.49722, "message": "It looks really interesting from the outside", "group_id": 292, "id": 562443}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113681.713963, "message": "guessing supported python hosting", "group_id": 292, "id": 562466}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113797.7082191, "message": "Very very cool!", "group_id": 292, "id": 562493}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113837.7237811, "message": "Man things have really come full-circle @jezdez from how many years ago with your GSoC?", "group_id": 292, "id": 562501}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302113799.2805021, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302114087.8614261, "user_id": 177}, {"date_created": 1302115627.6110799, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302120362.0961721, "user_id": 1152}, {"date_created": 1302141789.9180641, "user_id": 218}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113784.742012, "message": "@ericflo this is a product of my little company, @enn_io", "group_id": 292, "id": 562488}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113846.2602389, "message": ":)", "group_id": 292, "id": 562505}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113579.624902, "message": "@jezdez are you able to share any info about this?", "group_id": 292, "id": 562440}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302113752.1694219, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302114088.244581, "user_id": 177}, {"date_created": 1302115631.9576399, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302126259.3628941, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113745.045495, "message": "we strive to have useful APIs beyond what PyPI provides, such as webhooks, a RESTful API and PuSH", "group_id": 292, "id": 562482}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113667.5981791, "message": "Ahh, so kind of like chishop then maybe...", "group_id": 292, "id": 562461}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113674.813549, "message": "@ericflo looks like direct competition with some nice guarantees (most likely paid)", "group_id": 292, "id": 562463}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113705.8871009, "message": "@jezdez Is it the Eldarion team behind it?", "group_id": 292, "id": 562472}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113762.7144971, "message": "besides the usual distutils/setuptools APIs of course", "group_id": 292, "id": 562484}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302113888.2911141, "message": "@ericflo Haha, yeah, almost four years :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 562515}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302114084.6864221, "message": "Oooo... this is VERY intriguing.", "group_id": 292, "id": 562553}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302115584.5351701, "message": "NEED.", "group_id": 292, "id": 562876}, {"user_id": 5029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302120922.2208011, "message": "Great idea !", "group_id": 292, "id": 564732}, {"user_id": 13893, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302125929.379714, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302168718.78652, "user_id": 213}, {"date_created": 1302173552.579771, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302297319.509537, "user_id": 12791}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302123029.362258, "message": "On the day i had my biggest rage with the cheese shop.", "group_id": 292, "id": 565128}, {"user_id": 1822, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302133820.994482, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302132365.5081511, "message": "guessing a bunch of us might be soon adding:\n\n[easy_install]\nfind_links = https://depot.io/\n\nto ~/.pydistutils.cfg", "group_id": 292, "id": 566164}, {"user_id": 25337, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302168706.7854071, "user_id": 213}, {"date_created": 1302190350.597764, "user_id": 22368}, {"date_created": 1303079954.8230269, "user_id": 592}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302159471.2594969, "message": "Can it not have package ratings? :P", "group_id": 292, "id": 572704}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302213074.7721679, "message": "are you aware that the cheese shop has mirrors?", "group_id": 292, "id": 581217}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302214461.820823, "user_id": 209}, {"date_created": 1302214491.215667, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1302217005.644135, "user_id": 1822}, {"date_created": 1302223420.8849261, "user_id": 208}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302214457.6541879, "message": "I'm pretty sure @jezdez knows", "group_id": 292, "id": 581513}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302221892.1828439, "message": "and the /json data access?", "group_id": 292, "id": 582641}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302221975.9846931, "message": "sure @jezdez knows about the mirroring", "group_id": 292, "id": 582646}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302221962.899085, "message": "\"Never worry about PyPI downtimes again.\"", "group_id": 292, "id": 582645}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302223429.0130639, "user_id": 208}, {"date_created": 1302223431.489151, "user_id": 1736}, {"date_created": 1302263432.8072619, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302223377.9638309, "message": "@jezdez is the first person I'd expect who knows the innards of both PyPI and packaging", "group_id": 292, "id": 582781}, {"user_id": 5367, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302244575.204248, "message": "I don't see it as a solution competitive to pypi but more of a team's private repo of packages (both private and public) in order to have one source to deploy from.", "group_id": 292, "id": 587386}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302251297.91522, "message": "We'll see. For my employer a flat directory served by Apache is a perfectly good \"private repo of packages\" (both private ones and public ones).", "group_id": 292, "id": 587769}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302251110.8428209, "message": "@pagles  \"it can be a replacement for pypi\" -- jezdez (irc) :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 587736}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302251326.141885, "message": "I'm trying to clear up what PyPI is and what it's capable of. I've just done a major rewrite of the home page in an attempt to communicate more clearly the facilities it provides (which have nothing to do with ratings).", "group_id": 292, "id": 587772}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302263470.108367, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302298055.329257, "user_id": 9229}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302255232.2704749, "message": "@r1chardj0n3s The quote \"it can be a replacement for pypi\" is taken out of context really, Depot isn't a replacement for PyPI per se, in fact Depot will complement it pretty nicely and will require a canonical source for packages in case the Depot users want to track public releases.", "group_id": 292, "id": 588143}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302263489.315434, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1302298057.386889, "user_id": 9229}, {"date_created": 1302354039.1014299, "user_id": 209}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302255508.782187, "message": "At Depot we are long time users of PyPI -- and in my case contributors to the community efforts (such as being a server admin of PyPI, co-author of pip and virtualenv, etc). But in that capacity we strongly believe that there are complex deployment scenarios that require more than just an Apache DirectoryIndex page.", "group_id": 292, "id": 588149}, {"user_id": 1822, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302280282.0624599, "message": "@jezdez so are you saying that a public repot on Depot can not be the canonical  source for that package?  If it can be, and other things like Depot spring up, what does that mean for fragmentation of canonical index space for something like pip?", "group_id": 292, "id": 592386}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302298075.747895, "message": "@jezdez thanks for clarifying!", "group_id": 292, "id": 596196}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302491717.9330101, "user_id": 7038}, {"date_created": 1302495587.6733119, "user_id": 9229}, {"date_created": 1302543338.3058431, "user_id": 19380}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302341535.882056, "message": "@ptone PyPI is by design the canonical (read: default) source for packages if you use the defacto standard installation tools easy_install, pip, buildout. Each of those tools provide hooks to change or extend the list of indexes to install from. Just as other products (PyPM index, Plone's Software Center, Chishop, z3c.pypimirror, etc) Depot will use this capability one way or another, too. I'm not sure what you mean with \"fragmentation of canonical index space\" -- to me PyPI is the canonical index for Open Source software, gratuitously hosted by the Python Software Foundation (and its mirror providers). In other words, it's a reasonable default for public software, but sometimes not enough as a project hosting solution.", "group_id": 292, "id": 601372}, {"user_id": 13501, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302339082.747076, "message": "Python's non-pypi hosted packages should be done like rubygems", "group_id": 292, "id": 601295}, {"user_id": 14948, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302491720.937444, "user_id": 7038}], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302477012.6980431, "message": "\"Your files are saved on proven file storage systems and served securely over SSL via our robust infrastructure. Never worry about PyPI downtimes again.\" Why exactly should I believe depot.io will have better uptime than pypi?  If it was a turn-key solution for making my own pypi index I could host, I might be interested", "group_id": 292, "id": 615318}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302483667.4484041, "message": "@chadselph Does chishop not address that?", "group_id": 292, "id": 616259}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302495589.556747, "message": "@jezdez I think that you might have meant \"graciously hosted\" ... or maybe not? :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 618831}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302501207.958446, "message": "@chadselph Well, Depot will receive the highest of maintenance support we can imagine, including 24/7 monitoring, off-site backups and fault-tolerant deployment. In other words, we do things that I *know* PyPI doesn't do or have. If you want to host one of your depots inside your firewall, you'll be glad to hear that we have a turn-key solution planned for the future, too.", "group_id": 292, "id": 620313}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302500730.522485, "message": "@r1chardj0n3s Yeah, my fault, damn you native speakers :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 620244}, {"user_id": 1822, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302506671.4876821, "message": "@jezdez by fragmentation, I mean that if depot.io or similar adds enough value for open source that a project doesn't bother pushing to PyPI, then the installer tools don't have a single index to search.", "group_id": 292, "id": 621022}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302514547.997241, "message": "@ptone Ah, I can only speculate here since I haven't used alternative indexes to release my open source software before, but it would probably come with a toll of fragmentation, indeed. OTOH, the Plone Software Center is a good example how this could work for a community specific index.", "group_id": 292, "id": 622548}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302546158.9354081, "message": "@jezdez Plone Software Center is disliked by the Plone community. They can't wait for Plone Packages. ;)", "group_id": 292, "id": 627537}, {"user_id": 213, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302558536.8605039, "message": "@pydanny Was that publicly stated or just hearsay?", "group_id": 292, "id": 630685}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302630197.7262969, "message": "I've had two Plone Code Developers complain PSC and then ask about Plone Packages. One at PyCon and the other afterwards. Also some grumbling from non-core developers. I suspect PSC was build as a complex CMS app that is hard to maintain. You know the drill...", "group_id": 292, "id": 646405}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302630243.3495741, "message": "@jezdez All is fun. :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 646422}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302630229.9960649, "message": "Pyramid Packages is how the idea for breaking Django Packages into Packaginator happened.", "group_id": 292, "id": 646417}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 17635, "date_created": 1302928235.512933, "message": "@pydanny the \"complex ... hard to maintain\" bit sounds horribly familiar", "group_id": 292, "id": 708847}]