convore.json/groups/devops-1/graphite-alternatives/messages.json

[{"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304457809.349793, "message": "i want to start tracking some stats for a project, but when i tried to install statsd/Graphite last i was put off by how complicated it seemed (in both trying to install it, and since then in how the web app UI works)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903686}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304457869.1999271, "message": "is that because it's really only as complicated as it needs to be, i just don't have a grasp on the problem domain?", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903696}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304457947.8889551, "message": "if it is actually more complicated than a stats collector needs to be, are there any existing alternatives that are more understandable?", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903709}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304458238.8203859, "message": "(cairo was the part was hard to install, and i wonder why nowadays you couldn't make the graphs in the browser at display time instead)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903748}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304458089.8219171, "message": "barring that, since the frontend UI is a separate web app (according to http://graphite.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html#the-architecture-in-a-nutshell ), is it possible to just replace that part while still using whisper and carbon (which i assume is the part statsd talks to)?", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903731}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304461060.737067, "message": "ah, now i remember the last straw was that graphite wanted to take over /opt/graphite, even when i tried my best to install it in a virtual environment", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903990}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [{"date_created": 1304460174.5490191, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460102.5141921, "message": "and yes you could just use whisper and carbon and then graph with js", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903928}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460216.0279591, "message": "yeah, in hindsight that cairo is hard to install shouldn't relate to stats being difficult", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903937}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [{"date_created": 1304460162.9841471, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460055.4430151, "message": "Graphite is a bit of a pain to install currently. I've had trouble every time I've done it.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903922}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460075.4417069, "message": "and it really has nothing to do with the problem domain. It's just difficult to install :)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903925}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460230.4412169, "message": "rrdtool requires cairo as well", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903940}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304460241.233851, "message": "but rrdtool is more likely to be in your package manager of choice :)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 903941}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304462782.89486, "message": "hmm, not sure what exactly i got stuck on, since i was able to get it fully installed (after changing the `prefix` paths in the setup.cfgs and realizing python-cairo is an available package in ubuntu lucid already)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 904094}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304463662.459506, "message": "I'm not sure what caused that - I generally get it to install in /usr/local", "group_id": 4827, "id": 904172}, {"user_id": 3868, "stars": [{"date_created": 1304464278.9531751, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304463689.5520549, "message": "here's some rrdtool-ish graph drawing with canvas: http://metaatem.net/graph.html (source: https://gist.github.com/954438)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 904174}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304483936.1102281, "message": "@markpasc I'm still playing around with this idea of a hosted statsd/graphite... what kind of usage/features would you want to see?", "group_id": 4827, "id": 908113}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304488583.273921, "message": "(i'm kinda skeptical of hosted stats collection in general, but this particular app is still at the messy/toy/prototype stage so depending on some outside point of failure is more acceptable.)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 908889}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304488322.9790151, "message": "@steveivy i would sum up this problem as: the time from realizing i need a stat to getting business value out is way too long. even though this time i figured out how to get graphite to install (mostly), i got bored before i figured out how to keep the parts running (what do the different carbon scripts mean, for one), and way before i instrumented my code to track the thing i want to know.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 908848}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304488453.4082019, "message": "from that pov just being hosted is an improvement, since (i assume) provisioning an account would be easy and the work would be in adding the calls to track something.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 908876}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304489099.9256489, "message": "mainly i want to install and start one new daemon service (or sign up, in the hosted case), add a new library call to a codepath, and then immediately have a private HTML page i can see with a graph.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 908942}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528804.1100421, "message": "i did look at a few libraries last night when writing the above and saw django-app-metrics, which supports pushing to http://mixpanel.com/ which seems pretty attractive", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915782}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528901.2353151, "message": "and pretty", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915802}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304529548.257473, "message": ":P", "group_id": 4827, "id": 916033}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528792.5563281, "message": "@markpasc sure", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915775}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528868.5797889, "message": "oh, hey, mixpanel looks nice", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915795}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528998.1697581, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915830}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304529385.26284, "message": "like for friendstream.tv i should probably count outbound requests, which for 20 active customers at 15 mins per customer is 26,880 signals in only two weeks", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915979}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528743.3826129, "message": "@steveivy i guess i mean i don't know what particular features i want since the basic experience i expect isn't even there yet.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915762}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528854.9749889, "message": "for application metrics, anyway. not sure how well that would work for system/performance numbers.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915791}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304528985.7091579, "message": "looks like you can get a free plan with 25,000 \u201cdata points\u201d per month. i expect you could hit that pretty quickly.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915826}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304529386.070689, "message": "they say you can add a badge to your site (and email them) and they'll add 175,000 more free data points (but dunno if you can do that on the free plan)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915980}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304529386.6758361, "message": "so being able to track as much as you want is an advantage of doing it yourself", "group_id": 4827, "id": 915981}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1304529546.2568109, "message": "@markpasc - check your PMs", "group_id": 4827, "id": 916031}, {"user_id": 277, "stars": [], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1306956477.7146921, "message": "The big advantage to using something like cairo is that you can embed the images easily anywhere pngs are served.", "group_id": 4827, "id": 1257351}, {"user_id": 277, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307763045.6495299, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 33504, "date_created": 1306956520.301348, "message": "So, you can easily make custom reports with snapshot data, etc. without having to include raphael.js or whatever other svg drawing tool is hot today. :)", "group_id": 4827, "id": 1257361}]