convore.json/groups/divers-misc/simple-smart/messages.json

[{"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375425.4116039, "message": "let's put a bit of context: it's about \"Keep it simple, stupid\" vs. \"Keep it simple, smart\"", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767864}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375459.762769, "message": "the first one is about simplicity and I agree that simplicity is stupid", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767866}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375612.840888, "message": "agreed but the \"it\" in \"keep it\" is about the process or the ending?", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767881}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375078.189754, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/nhoizey/status/60982338431090688", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767835}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375190.3660059, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/franckbret/status/60983839979347968", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767848}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375088.55883, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/davidbgk/status/60982740316721152", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767836}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375111.4527819, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/codepo8/status/60982755328135168", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767839}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375122.0825479, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/davidbgk/status/60983347584827392", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767840}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375098.9535689, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/nhoizey/status/60982874639310848", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767837}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375702.602808, "message": "not always", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767889}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375216.4520831, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/thibaultj/status/60985034831695872", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767855}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375504.735162, "message": "@n1k0 Please link", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767874}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375061.743093, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/davidbgk/status/60982273952071680", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767834}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375160.0784359, "message": "smart usually means complex to me : when trying to code something smart, simplicity rarely comes to mind. I'd rather have simple/explicit than smart/clever", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767844}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375718.0194061, "message": "sometimes you need a lot of complexity to achieve something simple", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767892}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303375147.7180409, "user_id": 1841}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375134.328639, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/codepo8/status/60984164534599680", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767841}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375813.5296161, "message": "KISS is a target, not a method. At least it's the way I use it.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767906}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375171.8187449, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/goetter/status/60983507064852481", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767845}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375181.8090529, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/zyegfryed/status/60983788087418880", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767846}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375273.1656549, "message": "ok so i was saying : I'd rather have simple/explicit than smart/clever", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767858}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375199.5058401, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/desbenoit/status/60984176488357888", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767850}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375208.1035719, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/bricecarpentier/status/60984407154110464", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767853}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375230.068435, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/davidbgk/status/60985478450642944", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767856}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375235.2216949, "message": "ok now we can discuss :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767857}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375507.678699, "message": "https://twitter.com/#!/n1k0/status/60983348289486848", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767875}, {"user_id": 30519, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303380263.6506491, "user_id": 14057}, {"date_created": 1303717031.4696021, "user_id": 16402}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375560.6477129, "message": "Making something complex simple requires to be very smart.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767879}, {"user_id": 30519, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375666.6715829, "message": "simple process helps keeping the result simple, right?", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767885}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375432.977319, "message": "No S in the KISS principal means smart and here's the problem in the first place IMO.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767865}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375488.2957709, "message": "funny you didn't quote my answer on twitta\u2026 because it would kill the troll quite instantly? ~~~>[]", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767871}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375515.0610621, "message": "my bad sorry, too many copy/paste...", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767876}, {"user_id": 30519, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375775.367548, "message": "Well, in web developement, a complex process rarely leads to a simple product.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767900}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303380309.1254311, "user_id": 14057}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375907.962882, "message": "should we take the \"initial\" meaning of KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid), with a comma before the \"Stupid\", to mean that it's just an interjection (something like \"Keep It Simple, you moron ...)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767915}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376031.1741979, "message": "The smart part is about realizing what you need. (Sometimes you can find \u201csmart\u201d solutions that solve complex problems in simple and elegant ways, but that should not be your priority.)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767934}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376834.395184, "message": "To be smart about something, you need to know a lot about it, or to think or research quite a bit. That part, the design part, can be complex sometimes. Even if it\u2019s a seemingly simple \u201cbest practice\u201d (one that you can write in one clear sentence), you need to know things in depths to be sure it\u2019s actually a good practice that you can apply most of the time. Or you need to trust that somebody smarter than you are (about this topic) has done the thinking and research.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767975}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303375898.3833909, "user_id": 10318}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375848.392781, "message": "On the other hand, avoiding necessary complexity is not smart. :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767908}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375812.3717589, "message": "twitter is incredibly simple, but the architecture is not that simple :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767905}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303376196.9889591, "user_id": 21699}, {"date_created": 1303376629.3025711, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376167.942827, "message": "A nice thing about \u201cKeep it simple & *smart*\u201d as a topic is that it allows for this discussion. I\u2019m sure it\u2019ll find some echos in the presentations.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767948}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376116.667115, "message": "@magopian never heard any \"hey you smart\" interjection ;)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767943}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375923.88798, "message": "and I think those who want to change Stupid by Smart clearly suffer from lack of modesty :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767917}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375932.7473111, "message": "in which case, it would all be about simplicity, not stupidness/smartness/whatever", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767919}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303375764.9415519, "message": "Avoiding unnecessary complexity is smart. When the complexity (or part of it) is simply a hindrance on your users (end users of a GUI, developers using an API, etc.) then it\u2019s a smart move to reduce the complexity wherever it\u2019s not justified.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767898}, {"user_id": 14031, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376337.9769471, "message": "If I compare the evolution of classic web app design (including frameworks such as django, RoR, symfony, etc.) they tend to become complex (in their use and in their implementation). For me, CouchDB is really smart because it offers a simple solution by using web standards. The same thing for SOAP vs REST. Finally, it appears that you need to have experience and knowledge to build efficient things because they are simple, which can be taken for smartness.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767956}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376932.5711441, "message": "being smart may be needed to write simple code, but if you write smart code, you definitely need to be smart to read it", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767978}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376879.383929, "message": "being smart, and writing/coding smart are two different things i believe", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767976}, {"user_id": 14375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376966.403023, "message": "When it comes to implementing the idea or design or best practice, the implementation can be simple or complex. Depends. I tend to prefer best practices or design patterns that call for simple implementations, probably because I\u2019m lazy \u2014 but also because it means you can go back easily if the idea proves itself wrong.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767981}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303379335.0944691, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303376980.1598539, "message": "and (own experience), writing smart code doesn't mean you can easily read it and understand it later on. I personaly believe that this is what it's about when talking about SIMPLE and STUPID", "group_id": 6829, "id": 767982}, {"user_id": 14031, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303378942.8585839, "message": "http://twitter.com/#!/hoaproject/status/60991334365933568 via natim", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768196}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303380329.103395, "message": "@magopian i agree with that, for me the stupid in KISS is an interjection!", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768403}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303380357.4244559, "message": "are we all french speaking people here? so can we switch to French or not?", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768406}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387296.4742031, "message": "je ne suis pas pour une apologie de la simplicit\u00e9, on \u00e9volue dans un syst\u00e8me complexe qui n\u00e9cessite bien souvent des solutions complexes, l'intelligence c'est d'arriver \u00e0 le d\u00e9couper en briques moins complexes pour faciliter la r\u00e9solution de ces probl\u00e8mes", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768964}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387516.4037361, "message": "@davidbgk pourquoi cette question ? j'ai d\u00fb louper une partie du d\u00e9bat ou le contexte...", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769027}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387697.7317719, "message": "\u00e0 force de se casser la t\u00eate localement pour simplifier les choses, j'ai l'impression qu'on perd en intelligence globale", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769066}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387842.4443719, "message": "comment vous traduiriez \"smart\" ? malin ? je trouve qu'il y a quelque chose de plus dans cette notion que \"intelligent\"", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769102}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387863.2867501, "message": "smart/clever ... malin/dou\u00e9", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769108}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303390674.277734, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388154.9838619, "message": "si la traduction est \"\u00e9l\u00e9gant\", je suis assez d'accord, je ne pense pas que simple et \u00e9l\u00e9gant soient contradictoires. Par contre, je vois difficilement comment faire quelque chose de \"malin\" mais qui reste simple (simple dans le sens : accessible et compr\u00e9hensible par le plus grand nombre)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769181}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387375.4533811, "message": "la phrase de base \u00e9tait \"pour moi la simplicit\u00e9 ne peut pas \u00eatre intelligente\".", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768989}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387150.948447, "message": "ok passons en fran\u00e7ais", "group_id": 6829, "id": 768911}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387424.39446, "message": "apr\u00e8s il y a le d\u00e9bat : est-ce qu'on fait \u00e9voluer l'intelligence du groupe en proposant des solutions d'assistanat :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769000}, {"user_id": 14080, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303717222.4836161, "user_id": 16402}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387481.558188, "message": "ouaip parce qu'en anglais, pfff quoi :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769015}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388185.6997731, "message": "oui avec la traduction \u00e9l\u00e9gant, \u00e7a n'a plus de sens de l'opposer \u00e0 simple", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769187}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387457.0567009, "message": "le KISS n'implique pas, \u00e0 mon avis, qu'il faut \u00eatre \u00e0 tout prix simple, mais qu'il faut essayer d'y tendre, et cela n'implique pas, bien au contraire, qu'il faut \u00eatre \"b\u00eate\" pour y arriver", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769011}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387905.351018, "message": "oui ce n'est pas que intelligent qui se r\u00e9sume parfois trop \u00e0 l'intelligence brute (somme de donn\u00e9es, etc), malin/dou\u00e9 rajoute la notion de savoir-faire", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769117}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303390676.3391399, "user_id": 6415}, {"date_created": 1303455849.117317, "user_id": 21699}, {"date_created": 1303717250.43362, "user_id": 16402}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388921.480021, "message": "mais smart \u00e7a veut pas dire \u00e9l\u00e9gant, mais bon...", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769384}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303387952.463089, "message": "la traduction que donne parisweb est \"\u00e9l\u00e9gant\"", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769129}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388025.8976669, "message": "oui, \u00e9l\u00e9gant c'est pas mal", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769144}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388894.3804791, "message": "ouaip", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769377}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303388242.2300889, "message": "troll dead (il \u00e9tait pas si r\u00e9sistant finalement, c'est un troll de semaine, pas de vendredi ;)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769204}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303389573.199759, "message": "oui je suis pas forc\u00e9ment d'accord avec le sens de cette traduction non plus", "group_id": 6829, "id": 769543}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303543844.52579, "user_id": 21699}, {"date_created": 1303757051.7985189, "user_id": 14182}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543778.2915809, "message": "simplifier, c'est aussi d'abord une volont\u00e9, tr\u00e8s ali\u00e9n\u00e9e \u00e0 la capacit\u00e9 de lacher-prise et d'adaption au changement\u00a0; si je me rends compte que la complexit\u00e9 m'emp\u00eache d'avancer, je peux choisir de simplifier les donn\u00e9es du probl\u00e8me, de r\u00e9duire mon \u00e9quation, pour la rendre plus lisible et me donner des leviers plus \u00e9vident pour la r\u00e9soudre. Si \u00e7a ne suffit pas, je peux \u00e9ventuellement reconsid\u00e9rer son p\u00e9rim\u00e8tre, changer de paradigme ou encore renoncer au traitement des parties les moins int\u00e9ressantes concr\u00e8tement pour l'atteinte des objectifs cruciaux initiaux.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787949}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543926.5295999, "message": "ah, tu simplifie la question alors? :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787952}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303545039.4295969, "message": "je ne sais pas si la question est \"est-ce bien de vouloir simplifier\", et pas \"est-ce qu'il vaut mieux qque chose de simple, ou quelque chose de _smart_\", quelle que soit la traduction de smart", "group_id": 6829, "id": 788013}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544254.672159, "message": "ce que je veux dire, en gros, c'est que l'important c'est la d\u00e9marche", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787968}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543863.3383069, "message": "j'ai starr\u00e9, mais \u00e7a r\u00e9ponds pas vraiment \u00e0 la question du d\u00e9bat :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787950}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544075.4002171, "message": "je la simplifie pas, j'essaye de d\u00e9finir les concepts sous-jacents pour qu'on parle tous de la m\u00eame chose (mais pas s\u00fbr d'y arriver l\u00e0 tout de suite, en m\u00eame temps c'est un tout petit peu le but d'\u00e9changer sur un sujet)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787963}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544800.8168089, "message": "I CAN HAZ SIMPLIFI-CAT-ION", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787998}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543947.4672389, "message": "la simplicit\u00e9 n'est pas un but, mais la simplification est un moyen; la d\u00e9marche peut \u00eatre consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme intelligente si elle est efficave en bout de course", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787954}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303631912.2603509, "user_id": 10318}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543910.4840031, "message": "un tout petit peu quand m\u00eame\u00a0: beaucoup d\u00e9finissent l'intelligence comme capacit\u00e9 d'adaptation aux changements de contexte, du coup la on pourrait remplacer \"simplicit\u00e9\" par \"d\u00e9sir de simplicit\u00e9\" pour r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 la question :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787951}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303543952.0551651, "message": "efficace", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787956}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544072.593972, "message": "pour toi, la simplicit\u00e9 ne fait pas partie des buts/objectifs?", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787962}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544184.0102251, "message": "en ce sens, je trouve le mot \"\u00e9l\u00e9gance\" pas si d\u00e9placer, mais encore une fois tout d\u00e9pend sous quel angle on aborde ces notions", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787966}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544217.7377059, "message": "*d\u00e9plac\u00e9* (do'h)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787967}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544271.5151761, "message": "on peut vouloir simplifier pour plein de raisons, et parfois de tr\u00e8s mauvaises", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787969}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544307.716413, "message": "quand c'est outill\u00e9 au service d'un objectif d\u00e9fini, cern\u00e9 et contextualis\u00e9, \u00e7a prend d\u00e9j\u00e0 beaucoup plus de valeur", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787972}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544572.9765329, "message": "on pourrait parler religion aussi\u00a0; dire que la terre est plate et qu'elle \u00e0 6000 ans, c'est une simplification qui noie la complexit\u00e9 sous-jacente et emp\u00eache potentiellement un projet soci\u00e9tal de progresser en embrassant la complexit\u00e9 du monde telle qu'elle est; simplifier en se mentant est une mauvaise approche", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787981}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544950.715312, "message": "(merci)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 788008}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544159.3931561, "message": "la simplicit\u00e9 est la r\u00e9sultante d'une d\u00e9marche (de simplification, merci Lapalisse) qui consiste \u00e0 vouloir s'affranchir d'obstacles rendant inintelligible une situation et trouver des moyens accessibles de les rendre pr\u00e9hensible, de les traiter et d'arriver \u00e0 des r\u00e9sultats concrets et efficaces.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787965}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544301.4235909, "message": "le chemin est aussi important que le but", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787970}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544649.6073, "message": "tr\u00e8s philosophique tout \u00e7a", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787986}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544694.02161, "message": "j'en reviens toujours \u00e0 ma premi\u00e8re r\u00e9action \u00e0 l'enonc\u00e9 du sujet\u2026 chaque personne a en t\u00eate sa propre perception de cette notion de simplicit\u00e9, de complexit\u00e9, et qu'il ne faut pas passer sous silence la d\u00e9marche, les objectifs, l'intentionnalit\u00e9 de leur mise en oeuvre (simplification vs. mamouthisation anyone?)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787990}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544369.08196, "message": "par exemple, l'usage de la m\u00e9taphore dans l'agilit\u00e9 est souvent per\u00e7u par les d\u00e9butants comme un truc de po\u00e8tes frustr\u00e9s, alors que c'est un moyen de rendre la communication possible sur des notions parfois extr\u00eamement complexes", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787973}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544476.525341, "message": "par contre, vouloir simplifier une relation au travers d'un rapport hi\u00e9rarchique \u00e9tabli de fait, par ex., est un mauvais exemple de simplification mal outill\u00e9e, mal comprise et aux r\u00e9sultats tr\u00e8s al\u00e9atoires", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787975}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303544760.6259041, "message": "bon sinon personne a un lolcat \u00e0 balancer l\u00e0 tout de suite, j'ai l'impression de faire mon BHL 2.0 sur Convore", "group_id": 6829, "id": 787996}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303672987.2132599, "user_id": 21699}, {"date_created": 1303818465.5021081, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303664476.5315959, "message": "\u00ab\u00a0Another word for this problem is cleverness: to quote another one of the C hackers, \"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.\"\u00a0\u00bb http://neugierig.org/software/blog/2011/04/complexity.html", "group_id": 6829, "id": 795658}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303673017.873867, "message": "Nico, tu es mon h\u00e9ro : j'ai lu \u00e7a (peut-\u00eatre sur un de tes twitts), et j'ai vraiment aim\u00e9... sauf que je n'avais plus le lien pour le coller ici ;)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 796251}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303673163.1098521, "message": "je disais plus haut \"writing smart code doesn't mean you can easily read it and understand it later on.\", en me rem\u00e9morant \u00e7a ;)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 796264}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303743943.1032729, "message": "mais tout \u00e0 fait\u2026 on est tous notre boulet du lendemain", "group_id": 6829, "id": 804092}, {"user_id": 21699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303744317.021461, "message": "c'est beau quand tu parles", "group_id": 6829, "id": 804138}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303803244.976763, "message": "somewhat related http://vimeo.com/22487205", "group_id": 6829, "id": 811452}, {"user_id": 14057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303804031.4906199, "message": "ahah j'ai aussi pens\u00e9 \u00e0 coller ce lien ici, mais avec une conclusion aussi trollif\u00e8re que \"write Python code like it was C\" j'ai pr\u00e9f\u00e9r\u00e9 m'abstenir", "group_id": 6829, "id": 811543}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303816089.8692319, "message": "ou peut-\u00eatre juste un billet de blog en fait.", "group_id": 6829, "id": 812588}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303815950.6923189, "message": "merci pour vos r\u00e9actions", "group_id": 6829, "id": 812580}, {"user_id": 10318, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303815990.7433469, "message": "Apr\u00e8s quelques jours de r\u00e9flexion, je pense que je vais faire une proposition au sujet du minimalisme plus que de la simplicit\u00e9", "group_id": 6829, "id": 812587}, {"user_id": 1841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20673, "date_created": 1303823433.262373, "message": "@daks j'ai aussi h\u00e9sit\u00e9, mais je rejoins n\u00e9anmoins assez l'auteur sur le fond\u00a0: \u00e9crire le code le plus simple possible aide \u00e0 le maintenir le mieux possible, et engage la d\u00e9marche sur le long terme, contrairement \u00e0 la bloatisation exponentielle (voir la keynote de Corey Haines \u00e0 ce sujet) :)", "group_id": 6829, "id": 813818}]