convore.json/groups/django-community/django-hosting-explosion/messages.json

[{"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856208.2292769, "message": "Gondor.io: http://gondor.io/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223171}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856182.194041, "message": "Cribbed from http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2011/01/awesome-year-for-python-web-hosting.html", "group_id": 81, "id": 223168}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856199.3900321, "message": "Ep.io: http://ep.io/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223170}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856219.282474, "message": "DjangoZoom: http://djangozoom.com/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223173}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856236.801733, "message": "Stable.io: http://stable.io/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223177}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856257.8755181, "message": "Pydra: http://www.pydra.com/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223180}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856290.8725419, "message": "AppHosted: https://apphosted.com/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223181}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298856709.501543, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856528.832124, "message": "for now, they're really fun/useful to play with", "group_id": 81, "id": 223204}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856475.317224, "message": "Crazytown, and awesometown, and cantwaittilltheymaturetown", "group_id": 81, "id": 223199}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298856502.9000659, "message": "especially the thirdtown", "group_id": 81, "id": 223201}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298862785.4845891, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298860347.4187031, "message": "Er, dotcloud - my daughter was panting me as I was typing.", "group_id": 81, "id": 223371}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298908579.4493451, "user_id": 5778}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298860359.469496, "message": "Pantsing", "group_id": 81, "id": 223372}, {"user_id": 4077, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298860366.887922, "message": "I was just talking about dotcloud in another thread.  It's brilliant.", "group_id": 81, "id": 223373}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298860219.6122241, "message": "stable.io has bowed out", "group_id": 81, "id": 223363}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298860308.081732, "message": "There's also dot", "group_id": 81, "id": 223367}, {"user_id": 4935, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298864977.541959, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298864692.604389, "message": "topic change: Django Hosting Implosion :/", "group_id": 81, "id": 223469}, {"user_id": 8990, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298877084.268297, "message": "anyone know any good guides for doing this stuff for yourself. I dont want to deploy with people and have them shut down.", "group_id": 81, "id": 224056}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298887990.693336, "message": "@myusuf3 Writing something similar to the scale of our services (I help run ep.io) is unnecessary; for personal things, you just need a few VPSs, and a decent database config. It won't be as redundant, and it will cost a bit more, but you avoid lock-in.", "group_id": 81, "id": 224729}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298892212.212589, "user_id": 1081}, {"date_created": 1298931153.7657709, "user_id": 209}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298888029.1427, "message": "That said, most of the services don't have much lock-in, as there's very little or no code modification required. It's not like GAE where you had to reinvent everything.", "group_id": 81, "id": 224732}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298915184.288033, "message": "@myusuf3 While I would still recommend looking at the good hosted solutions if you need any kind of scaling, if you want to do it yourself Eric Holscher has a nice sample of using Chef to deploy a Django app on his github. There is also a Chef group here.", "group_id": 81, "id": 227588}, {"user_id": 7018, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298927946.568876, "message": "I've only had the privilege of trying ep.io so far, and it is freakin awesome! It makes deployment on webfaction seem like a hassle.", "group_id": 81, "id": 229630}, {"user_id": 7018, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298931180.8180239, "user_id": 209}, {"date_created": 1298937449.8058081, "user_id": 7451}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298928069.2374871, "message": "Like @andrewgodwin said, the code is the same and you could deploy it anywhere. But having a service to deploy the master branch with one command saves you more time than you think.", "group_id": 81, "id": 229652}, {"user_id": 13340, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298932355.818135, "message": "@myusuf3 I can strongly recommend Fabric if you want to do it yourself. It's a really great Python-based tool that makes deployment a lot less painful. http://fabfile.org", "group_id": 81, "id": 229971}, {"user_id": 115, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298933672.7368851, "message": "yeah, I use Fabric for every step of the way, it's good enough", "group_id": 81, "id": 230087}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298931211.494431, "message": "I wish I could double star you closedBracket.  I've even got fabric scripts to deploy from master... it's still less hassle to let somebody else manage it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 229901}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298934938.2426519, "message": "@GrahamDumpleton dunno, heard it somewhere that I trusted at the time :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 230199}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298934757.045598, "message": "@alex Where is it posted that stable.io has bowed out of the race as well. Obviously know about djangy.com pulling out.", "group_id": 81, "id": 230190}, {"user_id": 16446, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1298980336.0367429, "message": "virtualenv + fabric  rocks!", "group_id": 81, "id": 233923}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299242912.517272, "message": "Are any of these hostings not in beta? Might have my first Django project coming up and would be nice to have a hosting.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269153}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243508.7612629, "message": "Just found out :(", "group_id": 81, "id": 269195}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243586.4528339, "message": "I guess you could get access to the beta if you heckle the respective developers; ep.io even has a convore group: https://convore.com/epio/", "group_id": 81, "id": 269196}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243776.4857409, "message": "Maybe @andrewgodwin can help us out here?", "group_id": 81, "id": 269205}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244628.4286661, "message": "@Enome a VPS maybe?", "group_id": 81, "id": 269279}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299242929.313844, "message": "So far I found these: http://www.ep.io\nhttp://www.dotcloud.com/\nhttps://www.djangy.com/\nhttp://gondor.io/\nhttp://djangozoom.com/", "group_id": 81, "id": 269157}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244708.2752371, "message": "Yeah, but I use a VPS for my .net project and it's eating a lot of my time. That's why I was thinking of a more high-end solution.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269285}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243496.8961439, "message": "@Enome Well you can take djangy off that list", "group_id": 81, "id": 269194}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243660.9344151, "message": "Do these services perform well outside the US?", "group_id": 81, "id": 269200}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299243750.7688241, "message": "@Enome I don't know, but ep.io are based out of London, England. Don't know where they are hosting it though", "group_id": 81, "id": 269204}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244575.2893269, "message": "I guess that means there might be latency issues in Europe then. I guess GAE is an option but doesn't run pure Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269275}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244812.9018619, "message": "I found that out the hard way ^^. Altho the freedom of a VPS sure has benefits too.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269305}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244433.4144721, "message": "They're hosting is in the US ATM, but they plan to add some sort of region support", "group_id": 81, "id": 269265}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244769.6816239, "message": "@Enome yep, there's definitely the trade-off with being the admin.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269297}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244874.7219801, "message": "I know I learned a lot setting up my VPS", "group_id": 81, "id": 269316}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244953.5968709, "message": "Maybe I should try a Linux VPS they are a lot cheaper than the windows one I have.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269321}, {"user_id": 5582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299244969.1530659, "message": "@Enome definitely", "group_id": 81, "id": 269326}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250763.6220701, "message": "we can't go public too quickly or we might get overwhelmed with apps before we have the revenue stream to fund the servers needed", "group_id": 81, "id": 269914}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250687.3350179, "message": "and as we're in London, it's in our best interests", "group_id": 81, "id": 269900}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250933.320394, "message": "What caused this explosion anyway?", "group_id": 81, "id": 269948}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251183.971941, "message": "@airstrike tell me about it; every month, another big company starts using it", "group_id": 81, "id": 269979}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251169.3531499, "message": "it seems to be gaining some real traction", "group_id": 81, "id": 269977}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251466.3993981, "message": "I think any public launch is going to involve a large demand increase", "group_id": 81, "id": 270019}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251735.1401761, "message": "@andrewgodwin chalk one up to me. just got a job in a big company and am about to deploy their first django project.. all the other systems they run are older than the hills", "group_id": 81, "id": 270054}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251633.963449, "message": "ech, yes. Our code could be easily ported to most runtimes in a few days, but the PHP hosting world is not something I want to venture near.", "group_id": 81, "id": 270044}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250569.915632, "message": "ep.io (partially run by yours truly) is currently hosted in US, North Virginia", "group_id": 81, "id": 269869}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250592.3485229, "message": "but we have plans to add an EU region, as the cross-atlantic lag can get noticeable (especially as Amazon seem to buy pretty cheap transit)", "group_id": 81, "id": 269874}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250607.7741389, "message": "That would be great.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269879}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250709.8451929, "message": "But you are still in closed beta atm right? So is the next step public beta?", "group_id": 81, "id": 269905}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250859.823276, "message": "Seems there are a lot of services in beta at the moment.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269935}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299275212.3589921, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251027.3344891, "message": "but I think the general fact that a) they did really well for the Ruby guys and b) GAE doesn't really cut it for Python code helped", "group_id": 81, "id": 269959}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251165.400667, "message": "i believe this boom is partially due to the fact that django is much more mature now than in the past", "group_id": 81, "id": 269976}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299253040.9552579, "message": "yeah, i only meant 100% as that's what the users want to hear, even though it's impossible.", "group_id": 81, "id": 270291}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299253124.9377191, "message": "well, given that Accenture have started using GAE, it's not too far off", "group_id": 81, "id": 270310}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299250735.555028, "message": "it is - we have to launch celery support, then start taking payments, then we're go for public beta a month or two after", "group_id": 81, "id": 269911}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251069.7015891, "message": "Yeah I read some really bad comments about GAE.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269965}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299263127.5582261, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251249.0521901, "message": "Still, my reasoning is that if crappy little PHP shared hosts can survive, we're basically home free.", "group_id": 81, "id": 269987}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299251793.333076, "user_id": 12002}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251420.3117599, "message": "Is there any stress to be the first one of all these new services to go public?", "group_id": 81, "id": 270010}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251900.7521219, "message": "tl;dr i'm proud of django, particularly", "group_id": 81, "id": 270067}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251002.9216681, "message": "Not sure - most of us started _before_ Heroku got sold for $lots", "group_id": 81, "id": 269956}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251363.714325, "message": "especially since Python customers appear to mostly have a clue, and be rather nice people", "group_id": 81, "id": 270000}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251475.6675501, "message": "especially as most of us are offering freemium services", "group_id": 81, "id": 270020}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251869.162966, "message": "i don't mean to brag, i just mean more people know django and the experience for both users and developers is so great that you can't really stop its expansion. i'm a novice developer and django's already provided me with enough to develop a small tool for a big business.", "group_id": 81, "id": 270063}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252637.9964869, "message": "of particular fun is Oracle DBAs trying to comprehend Postgres", "group_id": 81, "id": 270193}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251548.0414219, "message": "Ah right didn't think about it that way. Read the same thing about GAE supporting PHP it would just flood their servers with wordpress sites.", "group_id": 81, "id": 270035}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299255368.8449249, "user_id": 7}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299251675.267849, "message": "if someone really wants only high-end customers, launch a PyPy-only hosting service :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 270046}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252748.7919509, "message": "what's happening in my case is that the IT department simply won't ever touch the project.. unfortunately, it's the only way to go about it nowadays.", "group_id": 81, "id": 270219}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252787.447119, "message": "but kind of good for us hosters, if we can supply an enterprisey enough fa\u00e7ade", "group_id": 81, "id": 270227}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252579.6207659, "message": "@airstrike oh, definitely, I've seen a lot of people put it to good use", "group_id": 81, "id": 270182}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252615.9139841, "message": "the area most often badly-done is the deployment, since often the ops/sysadmin department will just be bemused in larger companies", "group_id": 81, "id": 270188}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252840.7824359, "message": "yeah, i was thinking about that. do you guys plan on emphasizing users' security concerns?", "group_id": 81, "id": 270236}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252949.6344609, "message": "things like the servers having no passworded SSH, all apps in separate user accounts, postgres database and user isolation, things like that", "group_id": 81, "id": 270269}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252767.5732479, "message": "yeah, it's sad", "group_id": 81, "id": 270224}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252810.745805, "message": "Postgres? try explaining to IT that it's a open-source webapp with a nice API", "group_id": 81, "id": 270231}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252889.4817021, "message": "i guess it's more of a cloud-computing related issue, but how are you telling users that their data is 100% secure?", "group_id": 81, "id": 270246}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252676.138834, "message": "(I say DBA in the rubber-stamp, average sense; there are plenty of absolutely fantastic oracle DBAs who could easily use other DBMSs)", "group_id": 81, "id": 270201}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252696.67434, "message": "(but, they're not usually found in your run-of-the-mill corporate)", "group_id": 81, "id": 270204}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252850.8785281, "message": "of course, there's a reason we run on ourselves", "group_id": 81, "id": 270237}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299253355.4141669, "user_id": 12002}, {"date_created": 1299254724.90786, "user_id": 1243}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252902.3711929, "message": "no data is ever 100% secure, anyone who claims that is lying", "group_id": 81, "id": 270250}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252915.5400889, "message": "but we'll be writing up details of how most of our systems work", "group_id": 81, "id": 270253}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252885.8739071, "message": "we plan to be as secure as we can reasonably make things, and prove we trust it by using it ourselves", "group_id": 81, "id": 270244}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299253078.0995369, "message": "i can see corporations moving to cloud-based services down the road, just not in the short term, at least not where i work. give me 5 years and i'll see what i can do!", "group_id": 81, "id": 270296}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299252978.155817, "message": "...no servers with files or code exposed to the open internet...", "group_id": 81, "id": 270278}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299253000.745358, "message": "(that last one is only partially true, but will improve as we scale up)", "group_id": 81, "id": 270281}, {"user_id": 12002, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299253176.87743, "message": "and given that Accenture does a lot of consulting for the company I work for, we can already see a light at the end of the tunnel", "group_id": 81, "id": 270324}, {"user_id": 15046, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299266622.720942, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1299267599.776922, "user_id": 12002}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299266598.722141, "message": "If anyone behind any of these Django hosting projects needs paying small business clients, let me know (audreyr@cartwheelweb.com / 818-288-1008). Our biggest pain point is that they love the pretty GoDaddy hosting control panel and can't bear to leave it for Webfaction/Rackspace.", "group_id": 81, "id": 272038}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299267600.740648, "user_id": 12002}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299267459.9885139, "message": "@audreyr What exactly is it about the GoDaddy control panel they like? We're not quite in the position to take that kind of client yet, but we're close, and I'm curious what will attract them.", "group_id": 81, "id": 272129}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299392058.5963171, "user_id": 219}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299268475.4948969, "message": "@audreyr Hah, every time I see GoDaddy's site I need some eye bleach. We have gradients and transparency, so it's all shiny-web2.0-ready, at least.", "group_id": 81, "id": 272244}, {"user_id": 15046, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299268322.2795451, "message": "@andrewgodwin To be honest, I think it's mostly the way it looks.  They see the webfaction.com site and it looks like we're downgrading them to worse hosting. And it's always GoDaddy (arghh)", "group_id": 81, "id": 272218}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299808445.504705, "user_id": 14070}, {"date_created": 1300442396.1816871, "user_id": 3375}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299374219.371736, "message": "It's funny... the initial reason I used South is because I saw @andrewgodwin constantly working on it, answering questions and releasing often. Andrew is now doing the same thing with ep.io and I love the fact that he takes time in here to answer everyones questions... No guesses as to where I'll be throwing up a few of my apps.", "group_id": 81, "id": 278168}, {"user_id": 456, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299392050.901808, "user_id": 219}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299391438.164494, "message": "@audreyr why are your small business clients needing to deal with hosting directly? We have clients in production on Gondor right now and the only ones with visibility into Gondor itself are the few with their own dev teams making commits.", "group_id": 81, "id": 278759}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299411654.358314, "message": "@rlofthouse I firmly believe support is one of the few areas in hosting you can still compete on (along with stability, price, and ease of deployment). It's one of the reasons people use Rackspace Cloud over EC2 - trying to get support out of Amazon can be like getting blood from a stone.", "group_id": 81, "id": 279881}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299411771.692342, "message": "Besides, I've used many hosting companies in the past, and I know which, as a developer, I felt most happy using, so I'm trying to emulate those.", "group_id": 81, "id": 279890}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299430656.973048, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299411805.2175291, "message": "One lot you could email at 2am on a Sunday about small issues, like clock drift on a VPS, and they'd reply within 5 minutes having fixed it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 279895}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430818.05372, "message": "given the general intelligence of their clients, that's probably fair, though", "group_id": 81, "id": 280883}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430702.5207469, "message": "@andrewgodwin I've really liked using RimuHosting for that reason, they aren't too competitive on price or features (and I'll probably leave them for AWS/RSC simply for flexibility reasons) but hot damn is their support incredible.", "group_id": 81, "id": 280864}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430843.5753911, "message": ":)", "group_id": 81, "id": 280888}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430975.236264, "message": "I also think Rackspace's style of support may work better for their managed hosting stuff -- when I contact support, having a reasonably good idea of what I am doing, I need help with what I *cannot* do. On RS managed/dedicated boxes, that means hardware troubleshooting, or problems with their own daemons/config changes/etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 280903}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299431046.254312, "message": "@alex Yea I think they kinda overlooked that in their desire to have a local flavor in the name (they're a NZ company)", "group_id": 81, "id": 280915}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430483.7726431, "message": "@alex I was referring to the idiom not the song, of course. I'm not sure how AWS support could be like a song, unless they sang down the phone to you.", "group_id": 81, "id": 280841}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430846.5595379, "message": "Heh,", "group_id": 81, "id": 280890}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430797.23087, "message": "(As opposed to being truly experienced in the problem domain.)", "group_id": 81, "id": 280880}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299431010.1507421, "message": "@bitprophet everytime I hear \"rimu\" it just sounds like a threat: \"I'm going to rim you\" or even worse, \"I'm going to give you a rim job\" (for the love of god do not google)", "group_id": 81, "id": 280910}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430526.1428421, "message": "I know, you just made me think of the song", "group_id": 81, "id": 280842}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430820.4169199, "message": "@andrewgodwin That would make sense, both from my experience dealing with them and the company's stated support focus", "group_id": 81, "id": 280884}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430428.5938411, "message": "@andrewgodwin good song (blood from a stone) :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 280835}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430754.4987049, "message": "In the \"I feel like I am talking to one of my colleagues/peers when I email support\" sense, which I rarely get anywhere else. Even at Rackspace I feel like I'm talking to a me circa 2002 when I worked a college helpdesk. Helpful but mostly following a script/KB.", "group_id": 81, "id": 280871}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430860.0664639, "message": "This is the advantage of offering services to developers, at least at first", "group_id": 81, "id": 280891}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430794.792917, "message": "@bitprophet Given that I've heard from someone that's gone through RS' initial recruitment process, they seem to focus on people not technical skills", "group_id": 81, "id": 280879}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299430841.3384769, "message": "Yea, it's not a knock, just an explanation of why it's not the right kind of support for *me*. :0", "group_id": 81, "id": 280887}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299433160.5617111, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299433135.1736939, "message": "@bitprophet Indeed, that's where I want support, not \"oh noes I can't make my django blue\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 281109}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299433234.3695719, "message": "We still haven't decided quite where to draw the line on support, but for now, it includes everything, as most users are pretty savvy.", "group_id": 81, "id": 281118}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299433265.8320889, "message": "As growth happens, I imagine there'll be an inevitable influx of people wanting us to do the rest of their job for them...", "group_id": 81, "id": 281121}, {"user_id": 16762, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299440738.000459, "message": "Random cultural fact for the day: rimu is pronounced \"ree-moo\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 281512}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299441438.8845799, "message": "@SmileyChris yup.", "group_id": 81, "id": 281528}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299442531.2133701, "message": "Don't worry too much about location. Python.org is hosted in the Netherlands, but everyone appears to find US response times acceptable.", "group_id": 81, "id": 281579}, {"user_id": 15046, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9443, "date_created": 1299773758.2393789, "message": "@jtauber I'd love to chat with you about this more at PyCon. Basically clients coming from the GoDaddy/PHP world feel like they're losing control of their hosting.  I can give you more details and examples in person.", "group_id": 81, "id": 314602}]