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[{"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835183.9164231, "message": "@coderanger i will definitely check the docs about deploying a django app/project an GAE since this intrigues me", "group_id": 81, "id": 412668}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834769.1350651, "message": "@issackelly They are supposed to be rolling out hosted MySQL soon though, which will make that less of an issue", "group_id": 81, "id": 412627}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300835091.927876, "user_id": 3354}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834875.864156, "message": "@aminho GAE doesn't allow anything but pure Python code, and only a limited (though useful) subset of the standard library is available. Their docs can provide the details", "group_id": 81, "id": 412642}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300835081.495949, "user_id": 3354}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834911.812968, "message": "@holdenweb i get this ! thanks for the heads up", "group_id": 81, "id": 412647}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300845157.1448591, "user_id": 960}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835231.3796101, "message": "@issackelly No, but you might think of GAE as a free cocktail and a few nibbles.", "group_id": 81, "id": 412671}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834683.408036, "message": "so, you can pay for some persistant, always-on instances...but then you might as well just have AWS or rackspace.  The other downsides are around models, and the Django ORM/Admin", "group_id": 81, "id": 412622}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834791.2170441, "message": "@coderanger, right, as a paid, $9/(year? month?) per user feature", "group_id": 81, "id": 412630}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834839.0896521, "message": "@coderanger You could be right, I really don't remember.", "group_id": 81, "id": 412638}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835154.265578, "message": "@aminho, well, or just know that it could be slower than you want, w/o forking over some cash", "group_id": 81, "id": 412665}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300834692.3498471, "user_id": 209}, {"date_created": 1300834916.706521, "user_id": 14070}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834679.479032, "message": "This does however mean that you need to adapt your programming to ensure global consistency across the distributed environment. But that applies to most scaling techniques.", "group_id": 81, "id": 412621}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834809.535795, "message": "Seems like a fair price for MySQL ;-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 412633}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834910.2829721, "message": "not w/o customizations.  There's also been some work on django-nonrel to make GAE a little more transparent, I'm not sure of the status of that", "group_id": 81, "id": 412646}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300835433.5203421, "user_id": 14070}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835289.05161, "message": "@aminho if you'd like to see a semi-completed GAE project, me and @justinlilly did one for  djangodash https://github.com/justinlilly/permachart", "group_id": 81, "id": 412674}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300844148.0022171, "user_id": 13340}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835454.8484099, "message": "Remember that there are now several companies in beta providing similar managed hosting for Real Django (tm)", "group_id": 81, "id": 412684}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300833803.9840579, "message": "What are the benifits of running a django app on google app engine instead of a virtual server ?", "group_id": 81, "id": 412530}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835557.3050599, "message": "@coderanger yes I've heard of some but unfortunately i didn't reach the limits of my actual solution to go and try such providers", "group_id": 81, "id": 412691}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834352.357389, "message": "Free/cheap managed hosting with powerful automated scaling", "group_id": 81, "id": 412585}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834428.0041671, "message": "i think it's the automated scaling feature that i don't understand", "group_id": 81, "id": 412595}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834822.62655, "message": "and I don't think it's MySQL as much as it is just a MySQL compatibility layer", "group_id": 81, "id": 412634}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834589.552603, "message": "Google distributes your application to many servers (and usually many data centers) automatically, as load increases additional workers will spin up automatically. This is similar to how things like Apache work, but at a larger scale. There are tools for doing the same thing with EC2 or Rackspace (etc) but they are naturally more complex since you have to set it up yourself (also they are more customizable and flexible).", "group_id": 81, "id": 412613}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834627.1240571, "message": "@aminho The downside is... if you don't get much traffic, they have to spin up a new instance when a request comes, which can take several seconds", "group_id": 81, "id": 412616}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834822.699162, "message": "@issackelly I thought they announced a free tier for it", "group_id": 81, "id": 412635}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834834.935168, "message": "@coderanger you mean that the environment is duplicated and recreated on the additional servers ? what are the requirements regarding 3rd party libraries ?", "group_id": 81, "id": 412637}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300834874.689007, "message": "@aminho You can't use any 3rd party libraries that depend on Django models, or django users", "group_id": 81, "id": 412641}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835099.829983, "message": "ok so i guess you need to reech a certain traffic before considering moving to such an architecture", "group_id": 81, "id": 412662}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300835275.6248331, "user_id": 14070}, {"date_created": 1300845146.236867, "user_id": 960}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835177.484267, "message": "basically, just no such thing as a free lunch", "group_id": 81, "id": 412667}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300835308.7011299, "message": "@issackelly sweet ! i'm diving in", "group_id": 81, "id": 412675}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836689.970938, "message": "scripts can (IIRC) only be run via scheduler, or by hitting a URL", "group_id": 81, "id": 412767}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836638.2847381, "message": "@aminho, and no, no shell access", "group_id": 81, "id": 412760}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836347.10554, "message": "@issackelly So basically it looks like you are using GAE api for everything  db and request related, am I right ?", "group_id": 81, "id": 412747}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836428.3601079, "message": "Also, does GAE provides a shell access to somewhere ? I still can't get how db backup or running scripts can be done", "group_id": 81, "id": 412752}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836665.937119, "message": "but it's web based, not a shell", "group_id": 81, "id": 412764}, {"user_id": 115, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836946.3552101, "message": "for backups you have to use a script that incrementally downloads all your data", "group_id": 81, "id": 412782}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836628.0595651, "message": "@aminho yes", "group_id": 81, "id": 412758}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300836657.3515861, "message": "they have an admin console, where you can do some tasks, I don't remember the complexity there though", "group_id": 81, "id": 412762}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300837457.240222, "message": "ok, everything looks clear now, still have to dive into those api(s ?)", "group_id": 81, "id": 412821}, {"user_id": 14070, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300837528.0046, "message": "And thanks @issackelly for pointing me to permachart source corde, i always love to see how others do, especially when it's well done", "group_id": 81, "id": 412826}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300838465.3436389, "message": "@aminho Ha! I don't know about well done.. 48 hrs of GAE experience total, all on that project, but glad it helps", "group_id": 81, "id": 412881}, {"user_id": 13340, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300844356.743819, "message": "@aminho As @coderanger mentioned, if you want the one-click deploy benefits of GAE but without all of its limitations, you might want to try one of the managed hosting providers for Real Django. DjangoZoom is in a limited private beta right now, but if you sign up and mention this Convore thread, I will send you an invite. http://djangozoom.com", "group_id": 81, "id": 413402}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300854214.3076091, "message": "http://ep.io and http://gondor.io are two others, in the interests of fairness :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 414208}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300870603.2856159, "user_id": 11663}], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300856604.7885699, "message": "They are actually a bunch of others as well. http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2011/01/awesome-year-for-python-web-hosting.html", "group_id": 81, "id": 414501}, {"user_id": 1992, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300862375.0268049, "message": "you can also pay to ensure that there are always hot instances", "group_id": 81, "id": 414896}, {"user_id": 19403, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300862231.134104, "message": "@issackelly They keep the python interpreters warm and as 1.41 of the Python SDK, the \"spin up\" should be milliseconds at bworstst.  The Java instance can take up to 15 seconds.", "group_id": 81, "id": 414878}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14559, "date_created": 1300864042.122416, "message": "@bob_Hancock nice! News to me", "group_id": 81, "id": 415041}]