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[{"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297482654.035465, "message": "I think the biggest road block would be the hosting setup, but curious if there would be any benefits when it comes to plugins, python's dynamic language features etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 85826}, {"user_id": 723, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297488338.5382581, "message": "@convy I'd hope that a Django implementation of Wordpress would take advantage of Django's more rigid separation of view and template code. Many of the Wordpress themes I've seen have a ton of business logic in the templates =(", "group_id": 81, "id": 86267}, {"user_id": 7364, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297506194.560812, "message": "if WSGI/django hosting improves (or non-PHP hosting generally) we might begin to see a shift away from these older PHP apps", "group_id": 81, "id": 86677}, {"user_id": 7364, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297554092.7946601, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1298479033.518584, "user_id": 14022}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297506151.2485449, "message": "from a quality point of view, certainly. However one reason WP has been so successful is because of ease of installation.", "group_id": 81, "id": 86675}, {"user_id": 6469, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297512272.464422, "message": "Perhaps the best way to start this is as a hosted service, like wordpress.com. If that takes off, hosting providers may jump on board.", "group_id": 81, "id": 86820}, {"user_id": 7451, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297515643.754257, "message": "pip install wordpress && django startproject myfriggencoolblog", "group_id": 81, "id": 86920}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297539461.9088831, "message": "@evilkarlothian Unfortunately turnkey Django deployment isn't that easy (yet?)", "group_id": 81, "id": 87376}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297539642.0633991, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297596276.9574621, "user_id": 5388}, {"date_created": 1297890974.3515041, "user_id": 12002}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297539486.2563131, "message": "(and it really needs to be)", "group_id": 81, "id": 87378}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297543730.8742249, "message": "@coderanger that's something that heroku-like sites are trying to solve (like gondor and djangy)", "group_id": 81, "id": 87491}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297543753.2405541, "message": "I'm taking an alternative approach with a Django CMS I'm building called prometheus", "group_id": 81, "id": 87492}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297543779.5890601, "message": "which will (hopefully) just let you do turnkey installations like that, completely front-end, but still let you tinker with files if you know what youre doing", "group_id": 81, "id": 87494}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297551093.201201, "message": "@pewpewarrows No it isn't, deploying your own copy of an existing turnkey app to those services is just as hard in most ways.", "group_id": 81, "id": 87797}, {"user_id": 1081, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297559395.527071, "message": "deployment will always be the bottle neck, building a multi -domain app is easy .. however the configuration and deployement of django won't ever be as easy as php IMHO", "group_id": 81, "id": 87968}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297562027.663291, "message": "@rasiel I don't buy that, ReviewBoard uses the same basic model as Trac and I think it works very well. You install reviewboard via pip just like any other Python lib, and that creates an \"rb-site\" script (similar to trac-admin in function) that you use to create/maintain your \"site\" folder which has site-specific settings, media files, etc. rb-site also generates the .wsgi file for you with the right paths setup (similar to trac-admin deploy). This is very much something that could be cleaned up and generic'd (which is on my todo list since I am making a Django app that _must_ be simple to deploy).", "group_id": 81, "id": 87985}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297562507.8995731, "message": "Really deploying that kind of app should be as simple as the pip install myapp && django-admin deploy myapp", "group_id": 81, "id": 87989}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297582076.1721001, "user_id": 1081}, {"date_created": 1297596340.568862, "user_id": 5388}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297581903.2298019, "message": "@rasiel That's a good point", "group_id": 81, "id": 88672}, {"user_id": 1081, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297596343.089633, "user_id": 5388}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297581702.837136, "message": "@coderanger agreed, but what about shared hosting envs? right now php can just be installed using ftp for e.g ... to run pip you need ssh right?", "group_id": 81, "id": 88658}, {"user_id": 5388, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297596357.188448, "message": "Lack of SSH blows. :(", "group_id": 81, "id": 90013}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297653458.829417, "message": "What about syncdb needs to be solved?", "group_id": 81, "id": 95893}, {"user_id": 7451, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297653364.7503221, "message": "So if WP was written in django, deployment servers would handle the choice between gunicorn, wsgi etc, and deployment would be pip & ftp based?", "group_id": 81, "id": 95887}, {"user_id": 7451, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297653388.0806439, "message": "It still would not solve things like syncdb though. Hmmm.", "group_id": 81, "id": 95888}, {"user_id": 7451, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297653738.1429269, "message": "@coderanger Actually. Good point. I was thinking syncdb without ssh. But if a deployment server is going to handle the pip stuff etc itself then it would handle syncdb too.", "group_id": 81, "id": 95907}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297673827.0861509, "message": "which is still orders of magnitude harder than a PHP unzip-and-go app but at least lets you, say, pick your VPS provider", "group_id": 81, "id": 97255}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297891045.6621389, "user_id": 12002}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297673732.9967411, "message": "i've been thinking about how one might radically streamline deployment of an off-the-shelf Django project like we seem to be talking about, but, ignoring Heroku-style Django application hosts, the best i can think of is to use puppet (or chef) to automate deployment against a common OS target (like an Ubuntu LTS release)", "group_id": 81, "id": 97250}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698590.1696801, "message": "well how I'm solving it currently with my prometheus project is providing a graphical/safe front-end to basically every option you would otherwise need to do on the command-line, kind of how the setup wizards in drupal/wp work", "group_id": 81, "id": 100832}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698943.6468379, "message": "more concerned with the actual cms portion atm", "group_id": 81, "id": 100902}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698842.1965859, "message": "and deal with any security issues that it might bring up", "group_id": 81, "id": 100884}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698964.7491879, "message": "ideally yes", "group_id": 81, "id": 100910}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698815.981694, "message": "I'd rather not force php as a dependency", "group_id": 81, "id": 100876}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698894.7771981, "message": "If you have a wsgi app which handles the installation of your app, I don't see the point. You're effectively requiring the ability to serve python code before you configure their webserver to serve python code, no?", "group_id": 81, "id": 100894}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698781.475503, "message": "This might sound absurd, but why not just make a PHP app which configures your python/wsgi one?", "group_id": 81, "id": 100865}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698990.8133421, "message": "my goal is dead-simple django sites, in the vain of drag-and-drop wordpress/drupal installs", "group_id": 81, "id": 100913}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699354.483788, "message": "I'd be willing to try anything at this point", "group_id": 81, "id": 100976}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699503.907254, "message": "yeah, that's what I was thinking", "group_id": 81, "id": 100993}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698675.3597469, "message": "that initial wizard being a lightweight wsgi app that doesn't need any of the django cruft", "group_id": 81, "id": 100842}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699296.4664941, "message": "http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/projects/pip/  -- solution? ;)", "group_id": 81, "id": 100966}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699410.450772, "message": "and that actually may be it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100982}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698928.641644, "message": "@justinlilly good point :P", "group_id": 81, "id": 100898}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699279.740293, "message": "well with ssh it's easy", "group_id": 81, "id": 100963}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699324.907028, "message": "oops, yeah that's neat", "group_id": 81, "id": 100969}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699571.1780989, "message": "that might have even wider adoption", "group_id": 81, "id": 101002}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698801.5522621, "message": "You ought to be able to ftp it, have it work, then have the PHP code sort out the dependencies, etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100873}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698936.079854, "message": "I haven't worked on that part much", "group_id": 81, "id": 100901}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297731369.421453, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698950.207617, "message": "I think the first step is to come up with your constraints.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100905}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699031.1001101, "message": "the reason php sites can do that install is that servers are typically configured with mod_php, etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100923}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699129.3239529, "message": "if you have root, you could run something like chef or what-have-you", "group_id": 81, "id": 100943}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698854.8629091, "message": "I also want it deployable on the heroku-like sites for django", "group_id": 81, "id": 100887}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698858.6730981, "message": "which means php is a no-go", "group_id": 81, "id": 100888}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699232.208329, "message": "well yeah, the barrier of entry is worse", "group_id": 81, "id": 100956}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699328.0700679, "message": "I'll take a look at it", "group_id": 81, "id": 100971}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699385.649049, "message": "perhaps use django's mini server for the install process?", "group_id": 81, "id": 100979}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699565.379977, "message": "maybe it could just be an html page referencing a perl script", "group_id": 81, "id": 101001}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699598.54884, "message": "@justinlilly yeah that's on my list of things to figure out :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 101004}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698990.274745, "message": "So you can't just ftp a python script somewhere and have it work.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100912}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699426.439234, "message": "hrm. probably not a bad idea.. but that still requires SSH access", "group_id": 81, "id": 100985}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699488.080873, "message": "php file which invokes runserver as a background process, then proxies requests. When it hits the final page, it kills the dev server and hands things over to apache.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100990}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297698957.573842, "message": "Will this be installable for people without SSH access?", "group_id": 81, "id": 100908}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699051.8200941, "message": "So unless you can convince upstream maintainers to start shipping mod_wsgi.. I think you're not on equal footing.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100928}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699339.896632, "message": "hah. It was a joke. I don't think I would ever use that.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100972}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699400.116246, "message": "still requires python to be installed.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100981}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699440.7334671, "message": "I'll find a way to start it without ssh", "group_id": 81, "id": 100987}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699291.1057129, "message": "I have that boiled down to a single command to setup everything for you", "group_id": 81, "id": 100964}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699319.2822771, "message": "@justinlilly", "group_id": 81, "id": 100968}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699093.445682, "message": "in my eyes, the bare minimum for a django install is either something like http://ep.io/ or ssh access on a vps.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100935}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699526.7999799, "message": "also.. you might need to support non-root installs", "group_id": 81, "id": 100995}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699113.673526, "message": "If you have ssh access, you could expose a fabric script which sets up the app for you.", "group_id": 81, "id": 100939}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297731402.039562, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699515.8323579, "message": "seems reasonable to me to say something like \"If you need a drop-in solution, you have to have PHP. If you have SSH access, you don't.\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 100994}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699414.9496961, "message": "well that's a requirement", "group_id": 81, "id": 100984}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699449.414047, "message": "just give me some tea and a weekend alone", "group_id": 81, "id": 100988}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297699547.3273399, "message": "not sure how that'd work with your webserver of choice, unless you're doing to do fcgi or w/e", "group_id": 81, "id": 100998}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297705012.481611, "message": "I keep thinking it would be nice to have a WAR equivalent for WSGI code, but making it work is fraught with little issues", "group_id": 81, "id": 101953}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297704048.5731981, "message": "The biggest problem for FTP-only pushes is making a CGI script (which we can reasonably assume all web servers can run) that can enumerate what other deployment options are available. It would have to setup a bunch of test beds and see which configs are accepted by making HTTP requests against localhost? Most shared hosts are Linux-based, and it has been a long time since I saw one that just didn't have Python at all (though 2.4 is still floating around out there). The model I am trying to copy is Jenkins, just download a single file and run it and you are done, any further setup is either automated or done via an out-of-box wizard.", "group_id": 81, "id": 101660}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297704587.5739779, "message": "why not just use jython and distribute a war?", "group_id": 81, "id": 101808}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297704860.781353, "message": "Poor library support mostly.", "group_id": 81, "id": 101910}, {"user_id": 5073, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297709996.6494291, "message": "I guess we can build a Django based clone for wordpress, including easy setup tools. the major benefit for us is to get easy access to legins of site owners and for them, the ability to use awesome developers like us to expand their site as needed.", "group_id": 81, "id": 103362}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297710394.8714199, "message": "@andrewgodwin actually, given you can execute Python code in a .zip it might even be trivial", "group_id": 81, "id": 103428}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297711664.6142671, "message": "@alex What would be perfect is if setuptools' eggsecutable system was more cross-platform safe", "group_id": 81, "id": 103671}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297712168.6017311, "message": "(and also generally less of a pile of horrible)", "group_id": 81, "id": 103838}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297718218.85817, "message": "@alex Except how do you configure serving of static resources? Compiled dependencies? Which hostnames to respond to? It's not easy.", "group_id": 81, "id": 105464}, {"user_id": 5073, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297719684.9757929, "message": "how about making it a GAE app?", "group_id": 81, "id": 105975}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297742281.471179, "user_id": 209}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297719741.58304, "message": "@daonb GAE is a big pile of useless for most people. It can host certain kinds of toy apps, but I would very much question the judgement of someone using it for even a blog.", "group_id": 81, "id": 105990}, {"user_id": 5073, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297720365.119735, "message": "also, I use wordpress and it has to be reliable, simple and free to make me migrate", "group_id": 81, "id": 106153}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297719763.422889, "message": "Also, vendor-lock-in is the opposite of deployability", "group_id": 81, "id": 105994}, {"user_id": 5073, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297720300.6895249, "message": "@coderanger it's a vendor-option and I don't think teaming with google is a bad idea.", "group_id": 81, "id": 106143}, {"user_id": 5049, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297888345.8539951, "message": "I start heating Python/Django community", "group_id": 81, "id": 123883}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298477626.033844, "user_id": 13333}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1297888988.0506101, "message": "ah wordpress... that gem. X amount of years on and the django community is still going on about how it might look if it was written in django/python. I like wordpress for what it is, love the fact that its ugly and you can hack it to death. It also just works. Also, to take the slightly pedantic route.... if they suddenly decided to completely rewrite it in python/django... it would no doubt kill it off.", "group_id": 81, "id": 124014}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298475660.058455, "user_id": 5582}, {"date_created": 1298478881.6874881, "user_id": 7179}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298475388.3030119, "message": "Funnily enough: http://wordpress.org/news/2011/02/threeone/", "group_id": 81, "id": 188106}, {"user_id": 7179, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298478889.890372, "message": "@pewpewarrows a good start!", "group_id": 81, "id": 188485}, {"user_id": 15289, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298480318.360472, "user_id": 2}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298479814.1641071, "message": "By the way, from @photomatt's pun reserve: if there was a WordPress rewrite in Python, it would be called WordPresss. And you have to do the snake tongue flick. :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188642}, {"user_id": 1132, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298480472.2552359, "message": "mod_django?", "group_id": 81, "id": 188718}, {"user_id": 15289, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298479400.5122859, "message": "Serious response: One of the big reasons for our success is ease of install. It'll run anywhere. On all shared web hosts. Even on Windows. Even on IIS. Anything that compromised that would be a fatal step backwards.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188563}, {"user_id": 1132, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298480444.0969131, "message": "I always wondered why the install problem wasn't 'solved' like mod_passenger solved it for Rails (as I understand, mod_passenger allows for FTP-and-forget uploading of Rails apps).", "group_id": 81, "id": 188714}, {"user_id": 1132, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298480510.4925251, "message": "Granted no-one serious is going to stay with Apache long-term, but most developers star on shared hosting, which is where PHP has it's strongest foothold.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188729}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298479627.274066, "message": "@markjaquith That's the kicker really. Anything that tries to compete (built in Python) would need the install to work as good, if not better. That's the deal-breaker.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188615}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298480781.8486879, "message": "I did some experimental work on an installer when I built Byteprint [https://github.com/colingourlay/byteprint] (note: I also abandoned this because I tried to do too many things at once). I managed to get it down to the minimum of configuration (the DB - which defaults to SQLite), then the installer lets you set up the admin user, etc. through the webapp.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188785}, {"user_id": 13496, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298729538.869935, "user_id": 2024}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298703404.0146949, "message": "I don't really need to see WordPress in Django, but would kill to have a combined rich text editor / media manager as good as the WordPress one available to plug into my Django projects. TinyMCE + FileBrowser sorta gets the job done, but doesn't come close in aesthetics or usability. Would love to see someone port the combo to Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 212979}, {"user_id": 16058, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298723672.9885371, "message": "Just stop using dynamic when generated static works. You can deploy it on any cheap no-php hosting. https://github.com/lakshmivyas/hyde is the generator which uses Django templates. Server-side frameworks like Django and Rails are good when you need a complex web app, not a simple blog.", "group_id": 81, "id": 213896}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298790518.667973, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298732585.1145, "message": "@jon_atkinson \"No one serious is going to stay with Apache long-term.\" Really? I get that Apache's no longer the cool new kid on the block, but it's still a quite capable production webserver.", "group_id": 81, "id": 214393}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298735524.993752, "message": "Didn't cherokee have something like a wizard 2 click deployment thing for Django?", "group_id": 81, "id": 214456}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298735555.7469449, "message": "I bet it doesn't do syncdb tho", "group_id": 81, "id": 214458}, {"user_id": 3880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298749322.671874, "message": "@carljm Very true - I believe Disqus still uses apache and they seem to be the largest django install as well", "group_id": 81, "id": 215324}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298856897.8833311, "message": "i.e. \"Please join in, I can't get all the cool things I want done\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 223235}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298856884.713094, "message": "@shacker I'm working on that...actively, check it out at github.com/servee/servee", "group_id": 81, "id": 223232}, {"user_id": 13496, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1298910098.515676, "message": "@issackelly Awesome, will be watching, thanks for taking this on. Unfortunately no time to take on projects here :(", "group_id": 81, "id": 226821}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1299138391.4616311, "message": "@dz oh yeah? wow.", "group_id": 81, "id": 258894}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1299138400.6672421, "message": "that's pretty cool", "group_id": 81, "id": 258895}, {"user_id": 3494, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4469, "date_created": 1299138362.2884841, "message": "@riq yup, we're still on apache", "group_id": 81, "id": 258893}]