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[{"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297563707.7864959, "message": "I'm referring to commercial versions of forums, cms's, ecommerce, etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 87999}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297563683.1187811, "message": "I guess it is the size of the market, but php has is open source yet has a huge market for commercial apps also, what's it like in the django world?  Rails doesn't seem to have one.", "group_id": 81, "id": 87998}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297563982.339458, "message": "in my experience, the average php programmer doesn't understand end users as well as the average python or ruby programmer", "group_id": 81, "id": 88004}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297568165.095089, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564002.208046, "message": "which means they dedicate more of their time catering to fellow programmers by way of reusable tools that they aim to sell", "group_id": 81, "id": 88005}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297568176.819433, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564035.595046, "message": "in python and ruby, i think we tend to try to spend more time solving real-world problems that serve real needs for real people", "group_id": 81, "id": 88006}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564064.8437459, "message": "so i think it's less a question of \"is there a market\" and more \"is the community interested in a market\" for these things", "group_id": 81, "id": 88008}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564896.285403, "message": "first off, not everybody needs a cms or a forum", "group_id": 81, "id": 88027}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564133.6208611, "message": "Just to take the example of CRMs, you would have to try pretty hard to make something better than existing free tools. Python and Django have gone the way of most of the FOSS world that the software is free but you pay for deployment or configuration help.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88010}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564212.8465581, "message": "Or say higher end apps like jivesoftware", "group_id": 81, "id": 88012}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564168.6554921, "message": "Everyone needs a cms, or a forum application (like vbulletin), and these types of apps take months to write (or more), so there should def. be a market but I don't see it and ask myself why?", "group_id": 81, "id": 88011}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564300.770009, "message": "3rd party commercial apps tend to spring up when the demand is high, and you buy it, and hire others to customize it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88016}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564729.434598, "message": "I think there's a market, TBH.  If the quality of the app is good enough, and the marketing is slick enough, then it could pave the way for a small market of commercial apps.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88022}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564956.2454641, "message": "Like if someone built a self-serve ad platform", "group_id": 81, "id": 88030}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564968.1261809, "message": "I think people would accept paying money for that app", "group_id": 81, "id": 88031}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564274.281209, "message": "Or it could be becomes it is so hard to find django dev's...people tend to go with django shops and get a custom solution.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88015}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564941.5355141, "message": "Yeah, I'm thinking it'd be stuff that would directly make you money.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88029}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297564906.159972, "message": "i've personally never used either in a site", "group_id": 81, "id": 88028}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297565156.550359, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565118.134697, "message": "now that more and more sites are moving toward self-managed ad systems (like http://dribbble.com/site/advertise)", "group_id": 81, "id": 88036}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565065.09587, "message": "i could see that, i suppose", "group_id": 81, "id": 88035}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565273.9408741, "message": "for me, though, it comes to whether certain features can be useful enough to work well, after being made generic enough to serve a large audience", "group_id": 81, "id": 88038}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565450.562953, "message": "ellington", "group_id": 81, "id": 88046}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565534.6766181, "message": "well, ellington is a product, not a market", "group_id": 81, "id": 88052}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565629.6434159, "message": "ellington is (AFAIK) sold less as a django app and more as an end user product", "group_id": 81, "id": 88057}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565504.0130031, "message": "yeah, i haven't used ellington, so i avoid commenting on it :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 88050}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565520.0860381, "message": "Oh yeah, good point, Ellington is exactly this.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88051}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297565611.1504011, "message": "IMO Ellington proves that there's a market", "group_id": 81, "id": 88055}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297567910.114311, "message": "I really wouldn't classify Ellington in the same group as your average PHP forum that someone charges $20 for.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88170}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297567852.7410729, "message": "how much is ellington, must be allot since they don't post the price hehe.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88164}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297567753.02969, "message": "@ericflo there will always be that kind of market, but that kind of model is agnostic to django/java/.net etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88156}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297568296.1094561, "message": "forums cost $200+, and ecomm apps like magento are 10K", "group_id": 81, "id": 88186}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297568313.4204171, "message": "people are making 100's of thousands selling premium wordpress themes!", "group_id": 81, "id": 88187}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297571044.587235, "user_id": 719}], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297568320.078999, "message": "GPL!", "group_id": 81, "id": 88188}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297577801.5519631, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297577691.5193441, "message": "$20 vs. $200 is still not in the same league as stuff like Ellington. I can't speak to Magneto, but thats probably in the same area of things that you buy because of the product, not because it is written in $LANGUAGE or with $TOOL. There is a market for awesome software, and using Django doesn't disqualify you from that, but I wouldn't call that a market for Django software.", "group_id": 81, "id": 88367}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610115.533937, "message": "i'll have to check that out", "group_id": 81, "id": 91408}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610031.7818949, "message": "kennethreitz: I'd be lying if I said I used it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 91400}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610094.0847981, "message": "Thin django wrapper around gitolite.  One more piece (celery) and it's self-sustaining.", "group_id": 81, "id": 91405}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610124.8943281, "message": "hah, whatever gets the job done :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 91409}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609891.6541641, "message": "* @kennethreitz [I'm still not used to using @ in chat]", "group_id": 81, "id": 91391}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610073.302738, "message": "kennethreitz: https://github.com/stephrdev/brigitte", "group_id": 81, "id": 91402}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609873.2424419, "message": "kennethreitz: out of the 4 that are there, Eldarion has open-sourced it's SA-alike already: https://github.com/eldarion/aiteo", "group_id": 81, "id": 91390}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610112.1041911, "message": "hmm, awesome!", "group_id": 81, "id": 91406}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609596.6055231, "message": "The general momenutm of the Django community that I have seen is this:  When you make something that is generic and cool, help your fellow developer, grant it under an open source license, and give it away.  You make your money by piecing these things together, writing the parts you need, and selling something to end-users.  The market might exist, but you also might get a pretty quick backlash of someone else saying \"The BSD Licensed version of  convyForum\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 91376}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609654.2731421, "message": "http://www.binpress.com/", "group_id": 81, "id": 91380}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609942.730957, "message": "I guess those are all marked free anyway.", "group_id": 81, "id": 91394}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609958.3814161, "message": "Yeah, I'm not sure how the model is supposed to work", "group_id": 81, "id": 91396}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297609997.2730479, "message": "@issackelly how's the gitmine server treatin' ya?", "group_id": 81, "id": 91397}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610041.922833, "message": "hah. too busy?", "group_id": 81, "id": 91401}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297610113.240834, "message": "I tinkered with gitmine for a bit though.  It _was_ cool", "group_id": 81, "id": 91407}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297633491.1707189, "message": "fwiw, ellington is a bit different b/c as of ~1 year ago, you could no longer buy it.. only \"rent\" it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 93983}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297633586.9393649, "message": "I think building a self-serve ad platform sounds really neat. If only I didn't work in the advertising market. :-P", "group_id": 81, "id": 94005}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297645233.979888, "message": "@justinlilly why would that stop you? isn't that an advantage?  oh, you signed a contract prohibiting?", "group_id": 81, "id": 95088}, {"user_id": 209, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297649550.1972959, "message": "django-adzone is what I used when I wanted ads, would be nice to add self-serve on top of that", "group_id": 81, "id": 95466}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297650617.253382, "message": "@convy My employer is very unlikely to let me create a competing application :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 95573}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297651142.8506801, "message": "ahh...and who might that be?", "group_id": 81, "id": 95652}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297654634.5200591, "message": "i thought it was typepad for a while...guess that was in the past.", "group_id": 81, "id": 95985}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297654609.1837261, "message": "oh, yahoo! (not) haha", "group_id": 81, "id": 95981}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4649, "date_created": 1297654399.256978, "message": "He works for the Internet's largest advertising company :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 95959}]