convore.json/groups/django-community/puppet-or-chef/messages.json

[{"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300896481.806644, "message": "We went for Puppet, primarily because the syntax sits better with me (it's not a ruby 'DSL', but rather a proper declarative language)", "group_id": 81, "id": 418472}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300896493.3818221, "message": "however, both have advantages, and both are pretty poorly documented for beginners", "group_id": 81, "id": 418473}, {"user_id": 23734, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300895427.912082, "message": "Anyone have experience with these two that would lead you to pick one over the other?", "group_id": 81, "id": 418344}, {"user_id": 1883, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300897375.9260211, "message": "@andrewgodwin Any idea whether either of the projects values documentation?  That is, would they start a rule \"no new features without docs\", as a baseline measure of commitment?", "group_id": 81, "id": 418555}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300898908.6957009, "message": "@jdunck I'm not sufficiently entrenched in either community to make a judgement call on that. Puppet has docs for apparently everything, but they just aren't organised very well, and there's no proper tutorial/narrative past the \"hello, world\" stage", "group_id": 81, "id": 418765}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300900243.1053579, "message": "Also Chef has a full Python API binding for the server :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 418940}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300900230.806242, "message": "I actually prefer Chef because it is non-declarative. Being mostly declarative but having the option to use occasional bits of real code (for loop, variables, etc) is very useful. Also Chef's systems integration mechanism is far easier to work with IMO.", "group_id": 81, "id": 418937}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300910079.002918, "message": "@coderanger That is a bonus. We've not needed any particularly complex stuff that's procedural yet, though, and the few ones we do puppet's dependencies handle in a reasonably acceptable fashion", "group_id": 81, "id": 420170}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300910161.269989, "message": "@andrewgodwin The problem is that infrastructure only gets more complex over time ;-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 420175}, {"user_id": 23734, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300912130.7113681, "message": "Thanks for the info guys, I'll definitely keep the documentation in mind when selecting one of the two.", "group_id": 81, "id": 420407}, {"user_id": 5852, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300918929.089587, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300911974.3420441, "message": "@jdunck I've found the Chef folks more receptive to trying to create a doc culture than the Puppet folks. It's slow going, but they're getting religion in a way that the Puppet devs didn't a year or so ago when I had a similar argument with them.", "group_id": 81, "id": 420399}, {"user_id": 16069, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300912615.8721631, "message": "Looks like Chef is opensource (Apache License) so that's a plus.", "group_id": 81, "id": 420478}, {"user_id": 16069, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300912526.9046969, "message": "Is there a version of puppet that is free for more than 2 nodes?  Or is it just the enterprisy pricing?", "group_id": 81, "id": 420462}, {"user_id": 1883, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300912771.183172, "message": "Puppet is GPL, FWIW.  They are just pushing the commercial support rather hard. https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppet/blob/master/LICENSE", "group_id": 81, "id": 420502}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300917064.848506, "message": "We use Puppet very happily at Glasses Direct. Using http://puppetcookbook.com, http://docs.puppetlabs.com and the pulling strings with puppet book was enough docs for me", "group_id": 81, "id": 421266}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300917142.4449961, "message": "Plus just playing with it as much as possible. I've never really had any problems with it but might look into chef at some point.", "group_id": 81, "id": 421268}, {"user_id": 16069, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300922215.3819859, "message": "@jdunck thanks!  yeah...they are.  took some digging!  ;)", "group_id": 81, "id": 421716}, {"user_id": 6396, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300924934.2000229, "message": "Has anyone had any caveats/bonuses with either with respect to using them specifically for provisioning Vagrant VMs?", "group_id": 81, "id": 421980}, {"user_id": 20582, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300952482.417402, "message": "puppet. few reasons: setting up chef server can be quite challenging, puppet is much simpler. puppet data is in flat files, period. no messing about with couchdb, etc. puppet has a nice dry-run option, so you have some chance of seeing what will happen before it happens. puppet integrates nicely with cobbler. chef lack on documentation, most of it is in the wiki but a real pain to find. this is all from sys admin pov. dev types might think differently, I don't know. I like to keep it simple and easy. btw, it also seems that you can use ruby in templates with puppet too if you really wanted to.", "group_id": 81, "id": 424580}, {"user_id": 8740, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300959427.47874, "message": "@coderanger True, but you have to remember that a lot of _our_ infrastructure runs off of custom daemons, so we have less need for configuring e.g. databases, webservers", "group_id": 81, "id": 425252}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 14715, "date_created": 1300983142.3140621, "message": "@rytis Commis aims to fix the issues with setting up the server :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 428215}]