convore.json/groups/django-community/puppet-vs-chef/messages.json

[{"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590894.829958, "message": "We've heard that feature request, but we're not going to do that for a while", "group_id": 81, "id": 41403}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590626.146534, "message": "Fight!", "group_id": 81, "id": 41394}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296590768.404465, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1296848297.860853, "user_id": 4}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590765.779258, "message": "+1 for Puppet.", "group_id": 81, "id": 41399}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590765.9610081, "message": "Ha! Seriously?", "group_id": 81, "id": 41400}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590954.255935, "message": "Yeah, each group has its own identity, its own social norms...if people *really* want to do it a lot, we'll look into it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 41406}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590745.1575639, "message": "Haha, we already have one of these in FreeBSD. :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 41397}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590796.303721, "message": "Ah yeah https://convore.com/freebsd/puppet-vs-chef-for-freebsd/", "group_id": 81, "id": 41401}, {"user_id": 232, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590858.667634, "message": "@ericflo merge the topics! (or should I add a feature request for that?)", "group_id": 81, "id": 41402}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590903.0807731, "message": "(Especially cross-group topic merging)", "group_id": 81, "id": 41404}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590915.321945, "message": "That would be difficult I would think", "group_id": 81, "id": 41405}, {"user_id": 232, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296590968.5397601, "message": "ah, good point", "group_id": 81, "id": 41408}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296591057.1993101, "message": "Here's a new social norm.. recruitment.. everyone come to https://convore.com/lulz/ and post funny pictures.", "group_id": 81, "id": 41415}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296776843.653568, "message": "i don't know anything about these but probably should. do they serve the same function?", "group_id": 81, "id": 44365}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296776889.163564, "message": "how do they relate to fabric, or kraftwerk (which i guess is a full-stack configurator)?", "group_id": 81, "id": 44366}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296777103.7634721, "message": "and/or is there a good article somewhere that answers that", "group_id": 81, "id": 44370}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296777973.6988499, "message": "@markpasc afaik, you tell puppet \"This is what a server should look like.\" and it will do what it needs to to make sure that it looks like what you want.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44374}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296778083.501025, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296777995.937645, "message": "ie: \"Servers should have sshd running, listening on port 80. Servers should have apache installed. Servers shoud...\" etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44375}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778015.3764229, "message": "fabric is more of a \"go do this script of things on this group of servers.\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 44376}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778035.00701, "message": "I think of it like the difference between procedural code and a framework.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44377}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778147.1003001, "message": "but both puppet and chef configurate servers, i guess? i heard the difference between them is puppet is declarative", "group_id": 81, "id": 44379}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778201.7466171, "message": "so once you have a server provisioned you use puppet or chef to configure it the way servers of its role are spec'd?", "group_id": 81, "id": 44380}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778734.311908, "message": "I view puppet as \"remote bash scripts\", effectively.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44385}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778259.2052779, "message": "but fabric is more for doing live changes and managing servers after they're provisioned", "group_id": 81, "id": 44381}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778392.723799, "message": "so you would probably deploy an application with fabric instead of puppet or chef, because pushing a new revision is something you do to a live server that already has all its dependencies installed?", "group_id": 81, "id": 44382}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778759.7524321, "message": "i see", "group_id": 81, "id": 44388}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778545.931011, "message": "(ignoring that maybe you are bumping to a new redis or something else infrastructural that maybe you do deploy with puppet/chef)", "group_id": 81, "id": 44383}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778881.626811, "message": "for puppet, its another piece of infrastructure.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44395}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296779239.1495781, "message": "seems weird that a tool you use to set up a server would itself require couchdb, rabbitmq and solr", "group_id": 81, "id": 44396}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778751.2596059, "message": "You could deploy code with either setup. Especially if you bundled your application code as something like a debian package.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44386}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778822.472903, "message": "It ultimately depends on your situation. I have only an outsider's knowledge of puppet and know less about Chef.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44389}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778773.993695, "message": "I've had two arguments over the past 2 days of what role chef/puppet play in the world :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 44387}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778826.6729801, "message": "I've used fabric, however.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44390}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778799.1768019, "message": "none of my personal projects have gotten bigger than one server so i just don't know", "group_id": 81, "id": 44391}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778846.379221, "message": "From what I understand, if you're choosing between chef vs puppet, choose chef.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44392}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778856.408416, "message": "among other things, it has its own node differentiation.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44393}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296778905.5961909, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296778870.1070161, "message": "meaning it has facilities to say \"Server xyz is a webserver. Install webservery things on it.\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 44394}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296784230.1753459, "message": "which does? chef?", "group_id": 81, "id": 44538}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296784298.1632199, "message": "huh. didn't realize it was a merb application.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44540}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296848998.6812961, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296785307.3882711, "message": "I like how @rcrowley explained the difference in this talk: http://rcrowley.org/talks/django-2010-11-17/#1", "group_id": 81, "id": 44564}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296787676.0921259, "message": "@justinlilly that's wrong actually. Puppet has a much more powerful node definition than Chef. In fact Chef is fairly limited in the area", "group_id": 81, "id": 44608}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296787736.178858, "message": "Also, puppet is more of a programming language for infrastructure, Chef is a bash script written in Ruby.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44609}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296787774.1822619, "message": "pinging @rcrowley!", "group_id": 81, "id": 44610}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296787787.352262, "message": "@markpasc the difference between Puppet/Chef and Fabric/Capistrano is pull vs push. If you use the former in their client/server setup that is.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44611}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299218043.0085509, "user_id": 5734}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296798946.5468171, "message": "We're using Puppet for Convore BTW.  In other news, I spun up a second web node today and it took me like 4 minutes of real work.  Oh wait, that wasn't other news, it's because of Puppet :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 44654}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296822782.1900129, "message": "@asenshi Really? The sysadmin at work said that puppet doesn't contain node diferentiation, so we've had to use a service called iclassify.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44862}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296822804.896102, "message": "@asenchi ^^", "group_id": 81, "id": 44863}, {"user_id": 281, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296827451.3077769, "message": "We've been using chef at Saaspire for a few months now.  The things I'm really liking with it are: minimal magic (just ruby), you build things in highly reusable/composable components, and the search functionality makes building dynamic clusters very low maintence", "group_id": 81, "id": 44869}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299254021.95787, "user_id": 1963}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296827530.0589809, "message": "minimal magic and just ruby don't go well together in my experience :D", "group_id": 81, "id": 44870}, {"user_id": 281, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296827595.306252, "message": "That being said, we're also running all ubuntu.  Chef itself is pretty well designed to be platform agnostic, but most of the cookbooks out there are fairly ubuntu/debian specific", "group_id": 81, "id": 44871}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296829695.7921929, "message": "@justinlilly Well, older versions didn't have node differentiation, however External Node Classifiers have existed (and more powerful). In 0.25 they added node differentiation though.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44875}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296831176.1843209, "message": "Hmm, I like the looks of some of the things in that rcrowley preso. Probably ought to take Puppet for a spin configuring a real server, now that I've tried Chef.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44880}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296842478.849283, "user_id": 2}, {"date_created": 1296849055.7876911, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1297285213.978802, "user_id": 261}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296841756.934998, "message": "I thought this was going to be a muppets thread", "group_id": 81, "id": 44923}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296843329.42068, "user_id": 224}, {"date_created": 1296845772.10747, "user_id": 275}, {"date_created": 1296846787.2201059, "user_id": 2}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296842865.3863709, "message": "http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WQOag6qJ2tg/RtckR3XyBzI/AAAAAAAAACk/VEivlRB8XEw/s320/SwedishChefSmall.jpg -- hope that makes it better.", "group_id": 81, "id": 44924}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296843349.24967, "message": "ha ha awesome!", "group_id": 81, "id": 44929}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296843372.7133441, "message": "i have a friend who speaks swedish with her mom, and it really does sound like the swedish chef", "group_id": 81, "id": 44930}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848314.8224599, "message": "Hey @etmaguire I think we've got a bad apt-key on one of our boxes, which won't let us update to the newest version of nginx, can you go check that out for me?", "group_id": 81, "id": 45029}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296846634.769279, "message": "IMO Puppet seems way too complicated for what I want to do", "group_id": 81, "id": 44971}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296846643.494391, "message": "I've really been enjoying Chef", "group_id": 81, "id": 44972}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296846648.2229609, "message": "but yea, stay away from the sevrer :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 44973}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848268.7410231, "message": "I do crazy ops stuffs like all the time", "group_id": 81, "id": 45027}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848280.316577, "message": "ha!", "group_id": 81, "id": 45028}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296848381.9341111, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848368.2395949, "message": "*will get lost", "group_id": 81, "id": 45031}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848241.335551, "message": "Puppet all the way man... When I configure all my shits I would use nothing else", "group_id": 81, "id": 45026}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296848353.3436501, "message": "sure I could... but i might get lost", "group_id": 81, "id": 45030}, {"user_id": 505, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296863372.030021, "message": "Chef!", "group_id": 81, "id": 45602}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296968551.4901271, "message": "Chef sucks. Try adding a package resource in that you know will fail, even if nothing else depends on it. The Chef run will break. In Puppet it'll report we can't do that and continue on it's happy path (unless there are dependencies relying on that resource which will all fail). Puppet wins!", "group_id": 81, "id": 46457}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296968559.2702761, "message": "/me has had a long night due to Chef fuckery", "group_id": 81, "id": 46458}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296968980.003221, "message": "having now done a quick google search, i understand what this thread is about", "group_id": 81, "id": 46459}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296969040.86151, "message": "i still don't have an opinion, but at least i don't think it's a muppets debate", "group_id": 81, "id": 46460}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296972373.036813, "user_id": 224}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296971793.45839, "message": "@djchall the muppets > Puppet > Chef", "group_id": 81, "id": 46483}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296971794.344945, "message": ":)", "group_id": 81, "id": 46484}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296972396.191391, "message": "the muppet show was pretty genius... it was a definitely influence on my childhood", "group_id": 81, "id": 46513}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296972402.634712, "message": "*definite", "group_id": 81, "id": 46514}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296971763.7282591, "message": "https://gist.github.com/093f4d0b4f2ea1f39577", "group_id": 81, "id": 46479}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296971777.9763889, "message": "I offer that as proof that Puppet is indeed better than Chef :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 46480}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296972432.8394599, "message": "the humor was pretty anarchic considering it was ostensibly a kid's show", "group_id": 81, "id": 46515}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296998535.0675211, "message": "wait, the muppet show was a kids' show??", "group_id": 81, "id": 46592}, {"user_id": 207, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1296998541.0933731, "message": "huh", "group_id": 81, "id": 46593}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1308515102.8962269, "user_id": 3243}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297018271.708648, "message": "Look what I see https://github.com/asenchi/puppet-django-example", "group_id": 81, "id": 46643}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297021572.89432, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297436102.365643, "user_id": 1772}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297019698.7404439, "message": "@ericflo yeah, hoping to have something up tonight, we'll see :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 46644}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297084936.624625, "message": "... waits eagerly for some Puppet-samples awesomeness from @asenchi ...", "group_id": 81, "id": 47669}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297105979.965641, "message": "And sorry, I didn't get anything posted to that repo last night. This week for sure though", "group_id": 81, "id": 47853}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297105464.3513131, "message": "... does the same.", "group_id": 81, "id": 47834}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297105860.854882, "message": "Hah, was just asked to write a comparison between Puppet and Chef for Engine Yard's blog. I'll probably start there, but plan on a mirror of Eric's posts *soon* :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 47849}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297106032.8670509, "message": "I'm excited to see this too, because I want to know if my puppet configs are any good at all...I mean, they *work*, but would a real sysadmin cry if he/she saw them?", "group_id": 81, "id": 47856}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297106117.2550111, "message": "@ericflo That.", "group_id": 81, "id": 47859}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297106136.0149059, "message": "My puppet stuff works. But I'm sure it's insecure in like... 500 places.", "group_id": 81, "id": 47861}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297106447.3622811, "message": "haha", "group_id": 81, "id": 47874}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135457.14746, "message": "split into multiple posts?", "group_id": 81, "id": 48713}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135497.117312, "message": "@asenchi Pick an audience, imo.   Tell me why I want it.  Then tell me how you're using it. Tell me how you did it wrong (or right or preferrably both). Then tell me how *I* should use it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48717}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135592.527112, "message": "Alright, so I think I am in that mind set. Good to know.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48723}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135600.102643, "message": "@justinlilly I'll probably take you up on that.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48724}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135629.129277, "message": "Ten points to @alex for the most helpful response ever, hahaha", "group_id": 81, "id": 48725}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135470.0570509, "message": "I basically don't think it can be too long", "group_id": 81, "id": 48715}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135440.042335, "message": "How long should a blog post be comparing Puppet and Chef? Actually, I am more interested in, how long is too long?", "group_id": 81, "id": 48712}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135518.1062601, "message": "However long it takes to tell me that is the appropriate length.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48719}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135537.4388449, "message": "also, I'm willing to read through it if you would like.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48720}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135653.1645751, "message": "@asenchi justin@justinlilly.com", "group_id": 81, "id": 48727}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135735.2790079, "message": "*it", "group_id": 81, "id": 48731}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297135619.4385209, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135540.951844, "message": "As long as it needs to be, no longer", "group_id": 81, "id": 48721}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1297135718.7839029, "message": "@justinlilly i may be tomorrow night fyi, I have a good chunk, but i need to get a bit more before I send it out.", "group_id": 81, "id": 48729}, {"user_id": 1772, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299158188.212826, "message": "@asenchi any updates on possibility to see something in https://github.com/asenchi/puppet-django-example?", "group_id": 81, "id": 260056}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299214483.8232789, "message": "@joonathan Yeah sorry. Been working on a couple of projects at work (including a blog post on Puppet and Chef). I'll try to get to it soon. Sorry for the delay.", "group_id": 81, "id": 266685}, {"user_id": 18671, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299241855.9082661, "message": "bump", "group_id": 81, "id": 269106}, {"user_id": 719, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299275083.8977759, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299243599.9420531, "message": "bump back", "group_id": 81, "id": 269197}, {"user_id": 1822, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299275112.194165, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299262518.5134211, "message": "just fyi - puppetlabs just launched some new intro docs http://www.puppetlabs.com/blog/learning-puppet-and-cheat-sheets/", "group_id": 81, "id": 271692}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299524936.827023, "message": "@thafreak Even as a passionate Python guy, I find the Chef syntax a lot more readable than Kokki's", "group_id": 81, "id": 289796}, {"user_id": 16699, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299524048.2600319, "user_id": 1376}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299523905.1677029, "message": "What about kokki?", "group_id": 81, "id": 289665}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299527459.5193591, "message": "I.e. I think I'll save more time overall if I bite the bullet and learn enough Ruby to write Chef cookbooks, and have access to all the Chef cookbooks other people are writing.", "group_id": 81, "id": 290264}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299524970.7534699, "message": "@thafreak Also kokki only addresses things at about the same level as chef-solo, not chef-client+server", "group_id": 81, "id": 289800}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299531157.5904851, "user_id": 4156}, {"date_created": 1299555810.471266, "user_id": 205}, {"date_created": 1299556477.3687789, "user_id": 3580}, {"date_created": 1299569421.294348, "user_id": 5778}, {"date_created": 1299601208.7209809, "user_id": 4858}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299527388.595504, "message": "I haven't looked at Kokki closely, but I'm generally wary of projects whose goal is to reimplement something, just in a different language. The loss/fracturing of the community around the project is almost never worth the benefit of being able to use <insert your favorite language>.", "group_id": 81, "id": 290247}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299547899.1207659, "message": "^^^ My Puppet article for Engine Yard. I hope to have a Chef one done in 1-2 weeks. I think it's scheduled for 3/28", "group_id": 81, "id": 292961}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299547919.0683179, "message": "Then I'll focus on the puppet-django stuff above. Sorry all, been super busy.", "group_id": 81, "id": 292962}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299549548.6772261, "message": "/me should really write up some posts about Chef", "group_id": 81, "id": 293035}, {"user_id": 216, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299548258.518687, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1299551981.8380511, "user_id": 3751}, {"date_created": 1299552939.444402, "user_id": 1243}, {"date_created": 1308515154.866642, "user_id": 3243}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299547875.0433681, "message": "http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2011/why-puppet-should-manage-your-infrastructure/?src=bitly", "group_id": 81, "id": 292959}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299555843.758944, "message": "Yes, plz.", "group_id": 81, "id": 293237}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1299555856.8054299, "message": "Which reminds me I need to do a chef retrospective, now that I've been using it for a while", "group_id": 81, "id": 293239}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1301162465.7948871, "message": "any good videos on setting up puppet server and client nodes on ec2?", "group_id": 81, "id": 446748}, {"user_id": 1772, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1308404434.2985971, "message": "Any updates here? :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1426575}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1308428284.6389029, "user_id": 24931}, {"date_created": 1308476266.3740909, "user_id": 36376}, {"date_created": 1308515148.8875849, "user_id": 3243}, {"date_created": 1308567411.660609, "user_id": 20816}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1308410002.93362, "message": "@joonathan Check out http://help.opscode.com/kb/otherhelp/build-a-django-stack :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1427102}, {"user_id": 4219, "stars": [{"date_created": 1308456944.03005, "user_id": 1736}], "topic_id": 1571, "date_created": 1308427835.7110059, "message": "@coderanger nice that's a beauty of a link :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1428347}]