convore.json/groups/django-community/tutorial-ideas/messages.json

[{"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478456.814064, "message": "I'd see a tutorial on it", "group_id": 81, "id": 188393}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478736.0389271, "message": "\"Yes, you probably want to have different fields for your User. It's not worth re-writing everything to do so. Find the zen of UserProfile.\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 188457}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478783.2287819, "message": "alternately you could also make a FacebookUser model", "group_id": 81, "id": 188472}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478781.019789, "message": "great", "group_id": 81, "id": 188470}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478448.9621761, "message": "I still don't fully get Django South (#3)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188392}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478500.2603381, "message": "And it's nice to see full projects being built from start to finish, but I think we are missing some other app styles (enough Blogs and Polls! lol), with newer features (such as Facebook integration)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188398}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478643.6688981, "message": "I'd also like a tutorial on template tricks", "group_id": 81, "id": 188438}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478662.5263431, "message": "We also just rolled out Facebook integration - that ties in nicely with the User customisation. I wouldn't advise changing/replacing the User model though, as so many 3rd party apps depend on auth.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188444}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478691.2385061, "message": "maybe there could be a big warning on the documentation page for User", "group_id": 81, "id": 188447}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478349.7568741, "message": "so, in one of my topics @justinlilly suggested that noobs like me should make a list of points we would like to see on new tutorials, so here are my ideas (what are yours, fellow noobs? :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188381}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478769.006758, "message": "UserProfile is the way to go", "group_id": 81, "id": 188467}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478537.144099, "message": "Our team rolled our own migrations - I wonder how many others went down that path instead of using South", "group_id": 81, "id": 188410}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298478761.1850441, "user_id": 14024}], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478537.535444, "message": "Well @leah, if you don't get it, imagine how I feel ;)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188412}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298478759.736347, "user_id": 2}], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478747.6733639, "message": "@collypops I am trying to build an app that needs little customization and I'm planning on having FB integration (while still permiting the user to create an account on my website). what path should I take? I am currently using the UserProfile model idea...", "group_id": 81, "id": 188461}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478840.8456881, "message": "I didn't get into FB yet, but Im thinking about creating a FacebookID field or something... and tying it with other models that probably come with integration packages", "group_id": 81, "id": 188481}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478835.846905, "message": "@leah absolutely. I went down that road once after reading a side-note in Marty Alchin's Pro Django. Never again", "group_id": 81, "id": 188480}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298478921.9947791, "user_id": 2}, {"date_created": 1298478949.9456899, "user_id": 14492}], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478912.8255179, "message": "@gcmartinelli do it the other way around - create a FacebookUser model, and have a User foreign key", "group_id": 81, "id": 188488}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298479493.06936, "user_id": 2458}], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478414.9814551, "message": "1) Modifying the User model 2) Using social network (Twitter, Facebook) integration 3) Database migration 4) Deployment (on a normal webserver, not only GAE)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188388}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478946.2725711, "message": "@collypops hmm... should have met Convore before I started coding the thing... lol", "group_id": 81, "id": 188491}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478993.4632111, "message": "@gcmartinelli Convore should have existed this time last year when I attempted it!", "group_id": 81, "id": 188501}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478796.155498, "message": "you can tie all sorts of models together with foreign keys", "group_id": 81, "id": 188474}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298478903.8558769, "message": "disclaimer: btw, the site i'm building is a non-profit project, so if any djangoers wish to give me a hand I would appreciate it... maybe with code review ;)", "group_id": 81, "id": 188486}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298479097.205554, "message": "It was for https://github.com/colingourlay/byteprint, and all I wanted to do was make email and username the same field.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188514}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298480330.4861369, "message": "That's true.. I guess it's mostly esoteric gotcha's and best-practices for staying out of trouble. Some things that might have been helpful would be better information on the dry-run process, insight into the difference between Data/Schema migrations, getting around the limitations of the orm infra..", "group_id": 81, "id": 188686}, {"user_id": 13496, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298479375.410459, "message": "+1 for social network integration. I've tried several of the apps, but documentation for all of them is weak and/or confusing.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188558}, {"user_id": 12775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298479492.1852939, "message": "@gcmartinelli I'd recommend this as a starting point: http://developers.facebook.com/docs/samples/canvas/. Then you can extract the Facebook/User integration code and apply it to your site.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188588}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298480092.521606, "message": "I find South official tutorial is already very descriptive http://south.aeracode.org/docs/tutorial/index.html What information would you like which is not there already ?", "group_id": 81, "id": 188673}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298479551.3978021, "message": "Yeah, a south tutorial would be awesome. We use it _very_ extensively and it was a bit obtuse to get used to. If someone wants to work on a tutorial for it I'd be happy to help contribute.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188598}, {"user_id": 2458, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298479558.219687, "message": "+1 for deployment and database migration - most of what exists only details a small part and is outdated", "group_id": 81, "id": 188601}, {"user_id": 275, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298481745.021004, "message": "i keep reading about deploying django with wsgi but it never sticks.", "group_id": 81, "id": 188893}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298487110.2680609, "message": "@gcmartinelli What do you want other than blogs and polls? Specifics, please! :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 189834}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298490225.5902319, "message": "I agree - it would be beneficial for South to have a notion of environment.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190336}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489856.8736291, "message": "I typically reset the migrations once the project gets around RC status", "group_id": 81, "id": 190267}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489320.533257, "message": "The main things I see people have trouble with in #django-south are getting into unstable states, getting errors they don't understand, or are trying to accomodate more exotic models", "group_id": 81, "id": 190187}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489393.4605639, "message": "When people get stuck, they don't know what to do, so I think South could benefit from more narrative about how migrations are processed and how to manually prod the parts of South when needed.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190195}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489699.874872, "message": "yeah.. clashing migrations is tricky (and so is the fact that south tolerates duplicate migration numbers!).. also, things like cross-app migrations can be funny.. moving models from one app to another, etc. Or schema migrations that are also data migrations (adding a non-null field that isn't trivial to populate)", "group_id": 81, "id": 190253}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489744.8623071, "message": "Right", "group_id": 81, "id": 190256}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489626.156065, "message": "Another big pitfall is when larger teams work in multiple branches, longer running branches might end up with clashing migration names.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190242}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489834.3982899, "message": "yeah.. sort of some 'South from the trenches' wisdom.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190264}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489997.7436621, "message": "makes sense.. another practice I think I'm going to put into play is some identifier on our production-derivative databases.. I often write migrations to fix data that needs tweaking on production environments, and those migrations need to be if-def'd or faked on other databases.. dealing with that is kind of funny. I've been thinking about adding a table/identifier to use for ifdef'ing those data migrations.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190288}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489806.368588, "message": "It would be beneficial to have some of these use cases documented with potential solutions so that newcomers have a better sense of where things can go wrong", "group_id": 81, "id": 190261}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298489817.5399489, "message": "also, this isn't something I've done yet.. but I'm getting ready to sort of 'rebase' our south migrations and start over.. I think it'd be handy to have some wisdom from folks who've lived through that sort of process to know when/how that might be handy.", "group_id": 81, "id": 190263}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298490273.1000431, "message": "we've hijacked this thread enough :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 190342}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298492766.731596, "message": "@justinlilly how about a \"Portfolio-making website\", I think it is a bit more complex than blogs/polls. and it could approach things such as: 1) Login integration with other social networks 2) Integration with APIs (Flickr, for example)", "group_id": 81, "id": 190694}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298490255.4213359, "message": "https://convore.com/django-south/ideas-for-tutorials-blogs/", "group_id": 81, "id": 190340}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298526867.7614911, "message": "Sounds neat. :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 195639}, {"user_id": 1782, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298535784.2387969, "message": "@leah Same here especially the phase 'start migration recording on an existing app models' and make it T0", "group_id": 81, "id": 196062}, {"user_id": 14492, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298535377.6219909, "message": "Oh.. one more common noob issue to the list... Serving static files (images, css, etc)", "group_id": 81, "id": 196014}, {"user_id": 4935, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298535786.051434, "message": "using some pluggable apps, like https://github.com/etianen/django-reversion", "group_id": 81, "id": 196063}, {"user_id": 16133, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1298698955.4547279, "message": "i found these tutorial a few months ago when i had just started http://gigantuan.net/blog/  it was a great starter tuts and confidence booster ... but i'd sure appreciate more advanced tutorials specially on performance and technology integration like AWS + nginx + uWsgi + memcashed and etc...", "group_id": 81, "id": 212883}, {"user_id": 14024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1299849765.297286, "message": "Different idea: How does one approach a new project with Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 322006}, {"user_id": 14024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1299849853.9081011, "message": "Last but not least: What does your dev environment look like? What (reusable) apps are you using? (like for me - I think South is one I use for the most projects I am working on).", "group_id": 81, "id": 322020}, {"user_id": 14024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8349, "date_created": 1299849738.958077, "message": "How to setup a django dev invironment - from blank system to vim/emacs (plugins?), virtualenv, database, apps to include. Everything one does before actually starting to write an app.", "group_id": 81, "id": 322003}]