convore.json/groups/django-community/wherein-i-say-why-pypy-is-awesome/messages.json

[{"user_id": 228, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296455490.7025449, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455455.2281921, "message": "although jokes are usually funny", "group_id": 81, "id": 39306}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455478.901876, "message": "I got the joke :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 39310}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455391.002023, "message": "i hear you like doing things just in time", "group_id": 81, "id": 39292}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455426.1395631, "message": "Yeah, though since I've now brought it up in like 3 threasd I think this may be \"long past overdue-time\"", "group_id": 81, "id": 39300}, {"user_id": 230, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455660.4666491, "message": "*\"needs to be the\", rather.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39346}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455735.6198361, "message": "I find it remarkably easy to write actually (though the error messages can suck)", "group_id": 81, "id": 39358}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455818.158596, "message": "what can we, mere members of the greater python community, do to help the pypy effort?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39373}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455888.6170371, "message": "You should care because PyPy is more maintainable, faster, and more flexible.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39383}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456030.4248869, "message": "Also, things like stackless Python are written as source code transformations, rather than invasive modifications to the core VM", "group_id": 81, "id": 39417}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455338.7155919, "message": "Also taking questions :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 39283}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297287695.8241329, "user_id": 561}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455451.4002609, "message": "oh that was a JIT joke", "group_id": 81, "id": 39303}, {"user_id": 230, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455469.2228589, "message": "/me thought the JIT joke was funny.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39309}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455480.3517051, "message": "yeah!", "group_id": 81, "id": 39311}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455516.5371771, "message": "oh right pypy! tell us more", "group_id": 81, "id": 39318}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455993.9276669, "message": "Because RPython makes it easy to seperate concerns.  The GCs are pluggable, the JIT is orthagonal to the Python language, so if you write a new optimization it automatically applies to the entire source, the language is also \"better\" than C", "group_id": 81, "id": 39405}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455576.1432779, "message": "@alex Yeah that's great and all, but I was expecting \"awesome\" as your response :P", "group_id": 81, "id": 39327}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455647.5477569, "message": "@ericflo target?  no, it's been removed from the source tree it was so unmaintained", "group_id": 81, "id": 39340}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455673.8414631, "message": "what's the difference between rpython and python?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39349}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455688.6799469, "message": "@alex awww :'(", "group_id": 81, "id": 39353}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455897.9537859, "message": "how so?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39387}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455904.4665749, "message": "To which of those :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 39388}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455999.212775, "message": "s", "group_id": 81, "id": 39408}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456506.5767951, "message": "http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/01/loop-invariant-code-motion.html", "group_id": 81, "id": 39483}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455508.6134059, "message": "Hey @alex what is PyPy?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39313}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455600.967869, "message": "@jacob and yes, we need a Law and Order group", "group_id": 81, "id": 39332}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455623.0099959, "message": "@alex Is anyone maintaining the JavaScript target for PyPy?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39336}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455627.5974901, "message": "That thing was so cool", "group_id": 81, "id": 39337}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455998.301084, "message": "e.g. you have real exception", "group_id": 81, "id": 39406}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456420.2092979, "message": "WHen run onto of the JIT you mean?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39471}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456685.309931, "message": "But I don't think anyone does", "group_id": 81, "id": 39502}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456697.87429, "message": "No, that's dumb", "group_id": 81, "id": 39504}, {"user_id": 211, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297294953.508265, "user_id": 3407}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456720.1692581, "message": "cheeseshop4life.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39508}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455513.951829, "message": "sidenote: alex can we make a law and order group?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39316}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455549.2831049, "message": "@ericflo PyPy is many things; it is a translator for a language named RPython, featureing a JIT compiler, and it is a Python implementation written in said language", "group_id": 81, "id": 39322}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455667.591188, "message": "so i'll play noobie-advocate. also, real time noobie", "group_id": 81, "id": 39348}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455843.5463531, "message": "or: why should we care", "group_id": 81, "id": 39380}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455863.8352749, "message": "Test your code with it (especially let us know when we're not awesome, slow or incorrect), contribute to the development, give us money :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 39381}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456011.9180651, "message": "so it's not \"check every function call for NULL\", it's automatic", "group_id": 81, "id": 39412}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456466.957422, "message": "@alex Yeah with JIT and inlining etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39474}, {"user_id": 230, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296455653.0446219, "user_id": 7}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455646.167573, "message": "the \"ding\" noise for when the browser doesn't have focus needs to the the Law and Order \"dun dunhhh\" noise.", "group_id": 81, "id": 39338}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455720.1051781, "message": "RPython is basically Python with restrictions: no generators, and variables must take a single type for a given codepath, no eval/exec either, other than that it's basically Python", "group_id": 81, "id": 39357}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455912.7085979, "message": "well let's assume faster is obvious", "group_id": 81, "id": 39393}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296455916.361099, "message": "how it it more maintainable?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39394}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456373.2269521, "message": "So basically you write Python, and you get close to the speed of having written a C extension?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39465}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296456498.9375019, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456485.2713201, "message": "yes, we can basically tie GCC for some highly algorithmic code", "group_id": 81, "id": 39478}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456557.837343, "message": "Can django run on pypy?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39490}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456583.019841, "message": "Yup, full test passage", "group_id": 81, "id": 39492}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456680.1315961, "message": "Yeah, although I've heard that PyPI should be pronounced \"pippy\" to avoid confusion", "group_id": 81, "id": 39501}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296456703.4583271, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456700.5985069, "message": "I'd rather be confused", "group_id": 81, "id": 39505}, {"user_id": 234, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296456650.9478531, "message": "Does anyone else ever have that moment of confusion when someone starts talking about PyPI and you need to switch context?", "group_id": 81, "id": 39497}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296877398.084528, "message": "slides from a talk Carl gave at MSR", "group_id": 81, "id": 46005}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296877391.5156381, "message": "If anyone wants to know a lot more about how it all works", "group_id": 81, "id": 46003}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1296877580.7525611, "user_id": 456}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1296877392.647948, "message": "https://codespeak.net/viewvc/pypy/extradoc/talk/microsoft-jan-2011/talk.pdf?view=co", "group_id": 81, "id": 46004}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276492.9720781, "message": "I know nothing about the sandbox, but yeah I'd feel comfortbale deploying Django on it", "group_id": 81, "id": 51614}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276526.715646, "message": "I think he's using gunicorn, not totally sure though", "group_id": 81, "id": 51630}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276504.434876, "message": "Jacob KM has a site deployed on it", "group_id": 81, "id": 51621}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276537.915524, "message": "neat tho", "group_id": 81, "id": 51641}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276471.1708519, "message": "Also. Is there a good example of the sandboxed interpreter?", "group_id": 81, "id": 51608}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276507.1294, "message": "With.. gunicorn?", "group_id": 81, "id": 51622}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276521.2629361, "message": "no, it wouldn't with mod_wsgi", "group_id": 81, "id": 51629}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276461.3207929, "message": "Can I use it in prod on a Django site yet?", "group_id": 81, "id": 51601}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276514.0528691, "message": "would it work w/ mod_wsgi?", "group_id": 81, "id": 51627}, {"user_id": 205, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297276531.9272189, "message": "yea, thats what I figured", "group_id": 81, "id": 51635}, {"user_id": 978, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297278174.760071, "message": "How does pypy compare in speed with C when using file operations(open, seek, etc)?", "group_id": 81, "id": 52310}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297278707.92278, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297278502.2618339, "message": "Blue sky quesiton: PIL is pretty hard to optimize in certain ways without wholesale rewrites to make things less convoluted. How long before it makes sense to write a pure Python library instead and focus on maintainability?", "group_id": 81, "id": 52471}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297287932.1683221, "message": "You say RPython is the language that goes through the JIT, but is there a parser that can understand, e.g. generator code?", "group_id": 81, "id": 57742}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297287947.2068801, "message": "and make this into something RPython can digest and inline/optimize?", "group_id": 81, "id": 57753}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297287868.706949, "message": "@alex does PyPy support the full python stdlib?", "group_id": 81, "id": 57697}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297287892.3545129, "message": "and what versions of CPython code should I expect to write with it.", "group_id": 81, "id": 57715}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297292084.6271, "message": "@tilgovi The JIT optimizes and inlines your normal Python code at runtime", "group_id": 81, "id": 59604}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297292065.4224629, "message": "@tilgovi full stdlib.  current release is 2.5, next will be 2.7", "group_id": 81, "id": 59595}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297292052.8076401, "message": "@acdha a pure python image lib would be awesome, and then peopole could do optional C libs for speed where it's important", "group_id": 81, "id": 59593}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297293747.1590149, "message": "@alex thanks!", "group_id": 81, "id": 59994}, {"user_id": 5118, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297334031.9013031, "message": "Particularly from the Latex presentation", "group_id": 81, "id": 68215}, {"user_id": 5118, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297334013.922605, "message": "*Learnt a lot about PyPy*", "group_id": 81, "id": 68208}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297360865.6192961, "user_id": 1736}], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297360764.248735, "message": "For SF people: http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/02/pypy-san-franciso-bay-area-tour-2011.html?spref=convore", "group_id": 81, "id": 72098}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297368006.403971, "message": "@alex I wonder if anyone's at all started that - I started playing with backends using e.g. GraphicsMagick but I'd really like to take something like https://github.com/acdha/NativeImaging/blob/master/NativeImaging/api.py as a DBAPI-style base class with a few improvements so it'd be easier to start collecting all of the different format support code. Might have to look into that at PyCon", "group_id": 81, "id": 73595}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297368054.2012351, "message": "@acdha when you say DB-API you mean PEP249?", "group_id": 81, "id": 73602}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375815.878989, "message": "shrug, TBH if it'd make people switch I'd suck it up and just port it by hand, all of PIL", "group_id": 81, "id": 75318}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375820.1561601, "message": "to PyPy that is", "group_id": 81, "id": 75321}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375876.500937, "message": "Yeah - the main reason I looked outside of PIL is that it doesn't handle JP2 at all and I wasn't jumping to write a decoder", "group_id": 81, "id": 75339}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375830.609499, "message": "I already ported all of psycopog2", "group_id": 81, "id": 75325}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375850.8105741, "message": "so long as you have tests it's actually really pleasant", "group_id": 81, "id": 75330}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375916.1804991, "message": "I don't know if it is or isn't actively developed, but fredrick is the only one working on it ever AFAIK", "group_id": 81, "id": 75346}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375920.7343409, "message": "I've also been looking on a side project for making PIL's resize code vectorizable as it's currently -ftree-vectorize-proof", "group_id": 81, "id": 75348}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375583.291256, "message": "@acdha +1, although I don't think resize() should return a copy", "group_id": 81, "id": 75223}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375897.1249189, "message": "it doesn't help that PILs development state is a bag of WTF (IMO)", "group_id": 81, "id": 75343}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375940.9686971, "message": "Too many things depend on it to let it just stagnate like this", "group_id": 81, "id": 75354}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377939.2848549, "message": "@alex that won't stop me from asking you", "group_id": 81, "id": 75576}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375526.0637619, "message": "@alex Something like that - it seems like it'd be really nice if, say, you could reliable do something like Image.open(\"foo.jpg\") .resize(256, 256) .save(\"thumb.jpg\", \"JPEG\") even if the underlying implementations had substantial differences (e.g. if someone on Jython chose to wrap the Java2D stuff)", "group_id": 81, "id": 75192}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377855.722559, "message": "e.g. you can fix bugs in the stdlib without knowing about the JIT", "group_id": 81, "id": 75564}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375595.5491209, "message": "Really the right approach is imaging, and _imaging or something", "group_id": 81, "id": 75229}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375611.0581551, "message": "where imaging is the wrappers and _imaging is implemented by the platform to do th heavy lifting", "group_id": 81, "id": 75235}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375926.3795149, "message": "Yes", "group_id": 81, "id": 75350}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297375781.2718811, "message": "@alex True. I should think about this more, mixed with sadness over the fact that none of it means an easy path to a fast OSS JPEG-2000 decoder", "group_id": 81, "id": 75303}, {"user_id": 228, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377793.8485651, "message": "@alex are you going to have the patience to explain to me how pypy works for the 10th, 11th and 12th time if i hack on what i can hack on during pycon?", "group_id": 81, "id": 75559}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377822.755111, "message": "@jacob sure :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 75561}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377842.9423449, "message": "that's actually the really cool part, you can hack on things without knowing how other parts work", "group_id": 81, "id": 75563}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377945.4995041, "message": ":D", "group_id": 81, "id": 75580}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297377867.2081771, "message": "or fix a bug in the GC without caring about how builtin types are implemented, etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 75567}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297392468.098547, "message": "s'all good", "group_id": 81, "id": 77836}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297392377.4825511, "message": "@alex I'm gonna try to go to the noisebridge sprint. see if I can't plug into pypy somewhere.", "group_id": 81, "id": 77820}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297392428.0998869, "message": "cool, I won't be there (being on the other side of the county and all) unfortunately :(", "group_id": 81, "id": 77825}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1496, "date_created": 1297292033.2778981, "message": "@taharp probably about the same, I've been helping with the implementation of the new io lib for 2.7 and I don't see why IO should be worse than elsewhere (and then we can do things like inline methods and such)", "group_id": 81, "id": 59587}]