convore.json/groups/dramatica/crucial-element/messages.json

[{"user_id": 13650, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305301085.100141, "message": "CRUCIAL ELEMENT is defined as the point where OS and MC hinge. It is one of the 64 elements.  Sounds simple until I attempt to really understand it. Anyone?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1043152}, {"user_id": 13650, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305301161.93887, "message": "The program in Build Characters identifies MC Crucial and IC Crucial. Anyone want to further examine this?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1043169}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305303545.888052, "message": "Here we go...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1043623}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305305655.6618309, "message": "I believe the \"crucial\" in Crucial Element is related to it being the \"cross-over point\", not because it or the understanding of it is actually critical.\n\nAt least, that's the justification I use to allow myself to ignore the Crucial Element. If you don't like it, I would recommend you find another way to allow yourself to ignore it. Let it be the last green fruit on the tree that will one day ripen, and be easy to pick. It will be so juicy then! So tasty! \n\nBut today it will be mealy. Let it stay on the tree.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1044026}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305312008.3906059, "message": "For the record I still don't eat of the fruit from the Crucial Element tree.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1045512}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305311549.0716741, "message": "The very best explanations came from Armando many years back. They've been buried with the demise of the MailList, but luckily -- for those who don't have then yet -- I had quoted them in 2 separate articles: http://stryfntk.com/crucial1 and http://stryfntk.com/crucial2", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1045381}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305311805.581682, "message": "Are you saying my fruit analogy is lacking?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1045462}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305311951.796371, "message": "LOL, no I loved it, just adding to it", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1045498}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305312056.0695319, "message": "LOL.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1045521}, {"user_id": 30287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305420128.0806029, "message": "Hey Jim, those two links don't work for me, for whatever reason.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1056633}, {"user_id": 30287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305420225.048795, "message": "But I too am confused by the crucial element. The dictionary says that the MC's decision regarding this element will decide the outcome and the judgment. But wouldn't that be the MC problem (and/or OS problem)? In the story I've just formed, it's neither.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1056642}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429357.226368, "message": "FYI, the links on the page don't work.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057448}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305428779.4259109, "message": "http://storyfanatic.com/articles/story-structure/the-keys-to-the-crucial-element-of-screenwriting\nhttp://storyfanatic.com/articles/story-theory/steadfast-characters-and-the-crucial-element", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057425}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429214.222965, "message": "Weird the links work for others correct?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057441}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429256.223829, "message": "I'm reading them now.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057443}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429302.5854731, "message": "Again, the thing that I find surprising is that the Solution is occasionally employed, but doesn't actually work.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057445}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429669.709301, "message": "That is to be expected because I still have yet to update those articles (they're ancient), but it's the stryfntk links I'm interested in -- whether or not they work.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057467}, {"user_id": 30287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429789.9634609, "message": "They don't give me 404 errors or anything, just blank pages. I'm using Chrome. Not sure if that's relevant.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057472}, {"user_id": 30287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305429871.5175891, "message": "And I just tried in Safari on my iPhone. Same thing: blank page.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057475}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305431745.811631, "message": "Well then why the heck do they work on my iPhone?! Weird...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057638}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305433911.3176811, "message": "Here are a couple Dramatica tips about the crucial element:\n\nhttp://dramatica.com/theory/tip_of_month/tips/tip0602.html\n\nhttp://dramatica.com/theory/tip_of_month/tips/tip1201.html", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057776}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305433902.8207459, "message": "Me too. iPhone and computet", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057775}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305435257.098031, "message": "@MikeDerk you saying they're working or not working?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1057859}, {"user_id": 30951, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305447412.0402, "message": "I guess you've fixed it right? In case not, it is a redirecting issue. The original links work fine for me and redirect to he ones MikeDerk gave. Maybe you have / had dodgy setting for the redirection.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1058519}, {"user_id": 30287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305463609.782711, "message": "The ones MikeDerk gave work fine for me, but the redirect ones do not. I just tried them in Firefox as well, with the same result.  Bizarre!", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1059578}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305474411.526679, "message": "They work for me", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1060497}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305474928.186095, "message": "I haven't adjusted a thing. It's a mystery!", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1060553}, {"user_id": 13650, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305475946.455148, "message": "I'm quoting the second link that Chris gave- I \"wish\" this was in the \"Theory Book\" and Armando's book. (BTW, I've printed a copy and put it in the Theory AND added it to the PDF on my machine for future)\r\nThe crucial elements are determined by the storyforming choices, not the character archetype choices.\r\n\r\nI recommend breaking out of the character archetypes and into complex characters as soon as you can. The crucial element assignments are as good a reason for doing so as any.\r\n\r\nTo change the element assignments, go to the Build Character window in the Dramatica software. Add the \"Logic\" element to the MC and \"Feeling\" to the IC. If there is any other element reassigning that makes sense to you, do it.\r\n\r\nThe most important thing to remember is that each OS element is an approach to resolving the OS problem. Assigning them to characters gives you (the author) a means to explore the elements--show them in action--so that the problem and solution elements eventually become clear to the audience.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1060585}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1305694782.0985229, "message": "I gotta say that I find Armando's example(s) confusing, since he has the MC employing the Solution to no effect.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1092726}, {"user_id": 13109, "stars": [], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1306328617.5975561, "message": "I had a discussion with Francis Iltes regarding the \"Crucial Element\" a few months back. One of the things I had struggled with in coming to Dramatica was the \"overlap\" of the four throughlines.\n \nI think I originally approached Dramatica with the concept that ALL four throughlines needed to be about the same thing. I was trying to shoehorn all the throughlines in Shawshank into Andy Dufresne story - not realising Red had a story all to his own.\n\nThe question I had posed to Francis was how much of storylines needed to overlap to make it a Grand Argument Story.  Could you have a story that has four distinct stories, each falling into a domain, to outline a Grand Argument story.\n\nI think that Francis pointed me to Babel, as a film that didn't work as a Grand Argument story, which, though had different and distinct storylines which could possibly put into the different domains, it didn't interrelate enough to allow it to bring meaning to the story. \n\nI am still trying though, to get my head around the crucial element aspect and how it all fits together", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1177388}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [{"date_created": 1306427091.1784551, "user_id": 7645}], "topic_id": 35148, "date_created": 1306421564.647975, "message": "It isn't necessary to have all four throughlines share the same subject matter.  That said, it is a lot easier to storytell, and decipher from an audience's perspective, if there is crossover.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1192631}]