convore.json/groups/dramatica/having-a-brain-fart/messages.json

[{"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310750414.4708591, "message": "But, can an MC change in only his throughline but NOT change in the OS? Or not change in his throughline, but yes change in the OS? \n\nThe potential outcomes would be the same, but would that totally screw up the message? My gut says yes, but in the real world, I feel like I know people who can give good advice they refuse to take themselves, which is sort of equivalent to changing in the OS and not in their personal life...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647139}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310750302.954514, "message": "I know that a character can change, or not, and this can lead to one of four outcomes -- the various combos of good/bad & Success/Fail.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647128}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751394.710849, "message": "Yes, that's \"no.\"  The MC is not part of the OS so he cannot change in the OS.  Objective characters in the OS do not change, though the players may come and go and their functions may be handed off to existing or new players in their absence.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647256}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753228.737942, "message": "ok :)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647541}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310750269.699441, "message": "I'm having a total lapse about something very basic.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647124}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [{"date_created": 1310752129.57728, "user_id": 7645}], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751024.5474241, "message": "Stories are not real life, they only seem to be.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647220}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310750979.7776, "message": "The MC is not part of the OS, though the player that is the MC is also a player in the OS.  Characters do not \"change\" in the OS in the \"growth and transformative nature\" of a Subjective Character.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647216}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751434.502845, "message": "My understanding is that a change character and a steadfast character ultimately employ the same Solution at the end of a story -- in both their own Throughline and the OS. Is there ever a well-formed GAS where this doesn't happen?\n\nThat would be a better way to ask, and I think the answer is still No.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647262}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752422.5727241, "message": "Does not matter.  I may have a problem with faith, and everyone else may have problems because of faith, but what works for me is not the same as what works for everyone (OS).  The context between a problem of faith for the MC and a problem of faith for the OS makes a world of difference.  Solving a personal problem is necessarily different than solving an objective problem that affects everyone.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647421}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751009.791456, "message": "In the real world, there are MANY stories going on with each person as their own MC.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647217}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751127.075758, "message": "In real life, we do not have true beginnings and endings -- it's just one long progression.  In real life, anything can happen.  Stories provide specific context within which meaning is found.  Anything outside that context is not considered.  Real life does not provide that luxury.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647231}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751231.354434, "message": "So... that's a no?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647237}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752213.3512161, "message": "They both employ the same Solution?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647402}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310751471.065634, "message": "(And they employ that Solution as MC and as an Objective Character.)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647270}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752996.2819459, "message": "And, this might explain why I don't understand Chris's answer.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647510}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753143.5598221, "message": "sure...Rain Man", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647522}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752736.1099119, "message": "ok i thought thats what you meant - the way its written though sounds like both the change and steadfast character employ their solutions", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647472}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752891.6631801, "message": "I was referring to different stories, sorry.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647493}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753177.033776, "message": "It was so obvious when I typed that question that I tried to delete it!", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647527}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310752600.5546989, "message": "@jimhull ... Well, if you have a Solution of Avoid, a change character will Avoid, and if the OS Goal is reached, it's because of Avoid...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647447}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753218.8442121, "message": "I think the best thing at this point is to forget I even asked.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647538}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753541.483248, "message": "How in the world could you learn anything from this thread? It's like an argument with a madman!", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647590}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753095.2827799, "message": "Let me ask it this way. Does a Change character ever change (and solve their personal problem) in a story with an outcome of Failure?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647517}, {"user_id": 7645, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753198.8641479, "message": "lol...you titled this conversation well", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647534}, {"user_id": 36437, "stars": [], "topic_id": 42085, "date_created": 1310753340.788892, "message": "Well at least someone's learning (me)...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 1647566}]