convore.json/groups/dramatica/the-wedding-banquet/messages.json

[{"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300428189.8922241, "message": "I watched The Wedding Banquet today. I thought it was a bit slow at times, and sometimes the music did not seem to match what I thought the mood was about the scene. I'll watch it again in the next day or so while wearing my \"Dramatica\" glasses and then listen to the podcast.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 380135}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300457960.703831, "message": "We could also just start discussing it sans podcast. The torture is how you learn.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 382247}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300468222.6551349, "message": "I need to watch it one more time but cannot today (Friday).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 383782}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300470947.5502629, "message": "Let's start talking about it Monday then. Weekends are not dram-heavy for me.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 384286}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300473177.2118261, "message": "Great, that gives me plenty of time. Thanks.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 384444}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726416.966763, "message": "Ok", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399947}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725600.4397421, "message": "About to start plugging in starting ideas.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399791}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727218.3908961, "message": "But, he doesn't do anything to try to convince them it is right. He just hides it.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400162}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726659.837826, "message": "Interestingly, assigning them doesn't affect the four throughlines.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400008}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726158.7029071, "message": "Do you agree with my list?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399902}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726445.0044179, "message": "But, yes, I think that one of the throughlines is introduced in the tape.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399957}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726540.0007181, "message": "I'm thinking.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399987}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726620.681381, "message": "Well, I can't disagree with your list. A part of me wants to associate the characters to archetypes because that's what I've been working with to learn the theory, but I feel they are just too complex.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400003}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725637.007189, "message": "Did you get a chance to watch the movie Steve? You too Brendan, if you want.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399794}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725776.3395879, "message": "I figure we'll follow the podcast method, so we can follow along most easily when we listen to it.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399814}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726455.3428409, "message": "What do you think the four throughlines are?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399962}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726356.8477399, "message": "I think that the overall throughline is introduced at the beginning when Wai-Tung is a the gym listening to the tape his mother sent. During that tape, she wants him to get married, which puts the OS into MIND (attitude, fixation, position on an issue, fixed point of view, disposition.\n).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399931}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725658.8534789, "message": "Yep, I've watched it twice.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399796}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725796.7006669, "message": "The trick, of course, is explaining the WHY of your choice, not just the choice.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399819}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725817.9027691, "message": "So, the four storylines. I haven't pre-thought any of this out, so it's bound to be clunky.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399824}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725912.4175479, "message": "My possibilities: \nWai Tung has to tell his parents he's gay.\nWei-Wei has to come to terms with the sacrifices she's making to stay in the country.\nThe wedding (finding a woman, getting married, getting married again)\nThe relationship between Wai-Tung and Wei-Wei.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399841}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300725942.1152511, "message": "The character list is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107156/", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399846}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726195.8727231, "message": "Just for contrast to our working here, my daughter just came in bragging: \"zero poop on my pants.\"", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399911}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726720.04651, "message": "So, you think the OS is \"the wedding banquet, the lead up, and the resultant baby?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400026}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728085.9159191, "message": "(sorry, when I read Wei Tung I thought Wei Wei)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400321}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728112.6355901, "message": "So I believe this is good:\nOS - Physics\nSS - Psychology\nMC - Mind\nOC - Universe", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400325}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728131.2659049, "message": "ok", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400331}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728856.0423501, "message": "Why action?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400481}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727159.7814341, "message": "I think the OS is the wedding, but I think that it's an activity.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400146}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727178.5232699, "message": "It's all about planning it and doing it.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400153}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727313.5066819, "message": "Everything else is \"downriver\" from that.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400182}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727881.794966, "message": "I think the SS is psychology, because it's all about how the two of them have to convince the world they are getting married.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400282}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728611.611917, "message": "That would really make us family.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400418}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726990.8826571, "message": "MC - PSYCHOLOGY - Wai Tung has to tell his parents he's gay.\nOC - ? - Wei-Wei has to come to terms with the sacrifices she's making to stay in the country.\nOS - MIND - The wedding (finding a woman, getting married, getting married again)\nSS - ? - The relationship between Wai-Tung and Wei-Wei.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400101}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727278.290715, "message": "But his actions convey a way of thinking and by keeping it secret, he manipulates others.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400176}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727735.4319291, "message": "I think that I'll have to associate Wei-Wei to the Impact Character (IC) because she does give Wai-Tung a lot to think about (even moreso when she announces she is pregnant).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400248}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728505.1977141, "message": "Anyway... What do you think the driver is?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400398}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726389.9654031, "message": "I don't agree with a throughline being related to Wei-Wei.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399939}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726401.5840211, "message": "Let's go more slowly, and pin down the four throughlines before we put them anywhere.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 399943}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726784.149883, "message": "Where would you put the other ones?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400054}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726692.4831359, "message": "Yet one must identify the characters....", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400016}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727656.9111149, "message": "No. She could be situation.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400234}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727756.651109, "message": "In fact, this makes the most sense to me. She has to deal with getting a green card (present), she has the baby (future)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400251}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728062.3810151, "message": "So, you disagree now?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400315}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728127.094265, "message": "Let's move on, then.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400328}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728225.2351241, "message": "Success: the protagonist(s) get their grandchild. Good: The three form a family.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400347}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300726744.5642231, "message": "I think the OS is the requirement to get married.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400039}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727221.6639149, "message": "It's very binary.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400164}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728348.3868859, "message": "I\"m not using the program yet.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400376}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728495.572031, "message": "Now I'm sick to my stomach.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400396}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727508.341732, "message": "Well, compare his mother to his father. Once his mother learns he is gay and has the relationship with Simon, she continues to remain against it. At the dinner table she wonders if she did something wrong, and she really doesn't change at the end of the movie. His father on the other hand tells Simon that he accepts him as his son while they are at the beach (but requests it be kept secret from his wife).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400203}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727983.3362811, "message": "why oops?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400297}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727996.947093, "message": "I'm stuck with MC in Mind.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400302}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728035.769026, "message": "Oh, sorry, got confused iwth the chinese names.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400310}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728069.3038471, "message": "No I agree.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400318}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728458.471873, "message": "Yes, because although there was a bit of emotional turmoil, the parents leave knowing they got their grandson and the three, as you say, become a family. \"Two dads\".", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400390}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728485.5595131, "message": "No, never mind.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400395}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728572.1197021, "message": "your partner's mom would get invitrolizeD?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400406}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728634.529923, "message": "(laughing--and zero poop on pants is good, too)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400424}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727835.4107549, "message": "She has past (she has to learn about her \"husband\" with Simon?)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400267}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728003.03827, "message": "Unless I made a typo.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400304}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728013.576041, "message": "No, that's what it has to be.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400307}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728201.6248751, "message": "I'm pretty confident that it's a Success/Good outcome.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400339}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728604.7810149, "message": "yeah, by a part of me.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400415}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727181.1656621, "message": "I feel the OS is MIND (attitude, fixation, position on an issue, fixed point of view, disposition) because of the tape at the beginning from Mrs. Gao. That would put Wai-Tung in PSYCHOLOGY (ways of thinking, thinking process, activity of the psyche, manipulation of others) because he has kept his orientation secret from his parents, and chooses to make every attempt to keep it secret.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400155}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727633.34747, "message": "Well, Wei-Wei is not MIND.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400231}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728339.3275969, "message": "I don't think the \"story\" was about the baby. But I get your gist. I'm just very protective of the word \"story\" -- I think that was the protagonist goal.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400372}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728364.9094081, "message": "Eventually, we'll go to the Story Engine. But for now, we're just answering the major quesitons.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400378}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728407.3071871, "message": "Do you also think the judgement is good?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400384}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728478.673629, "message": "Two Dads, One Mom = Two Girls One Cup?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400394}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728613.2957511, "message": "I did take biology.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400419}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728628.5917821, "message": "Your kid and your partner would be brothers.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400423}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727295.029599, "message": "If it conveys a way of thinking, then it's MIND.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400181}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727446.0699501, "message": "I think that telling his parents is MIND for two reasons. One, he is a be-er in that storyline by changing who he is to the outside world by not telling them. Two, he and his boyfriend see things differently. \"I told my parents\" says his boyfriend.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400197}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727974.7549629, "message": "oops", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400294}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728845.7576959, "message": "What is on the tape? An action or a decision?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400480}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727605.18941, "message": "Also, I believe that keeping his orientation secret from his parents would fit under MIND because it remains constant through the movie, does not change at the end, and every character wants the secret kept from one of the parents.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400225}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727651.3225939, "message": "She is too flexible and tries to change quite frequently in the movie.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400233}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727485.5923631, "message": "Then again, \"being gay\" is a situation. And maybe it all comes from that.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400202}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727583.170768, "message": "I'm going to take a side-approach. If Wei-Wei's story is her coming to terms with her sacrifices, how is that not Psychoolgy?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400217}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727619.7064769, "message": "Good point.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400227}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727869.4270351, "message": "I'll have to agree that Wei-Wei is UNIVERSE.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400278}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727947.974139, "message": "So, that puts Wai Tung in Mind.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400291}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727965.6310019, "message": "OS - Physics\nSS - Psychology\nMC - Mind\nOC -  Universe", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400292}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727817.6071899, "message": "By the definition of PSYCHOLOGY (ways of thinking, thinking process, activity of the psyche, manipulation of others), I do not see Wei-Wei being manipulative at all.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400262}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728742.8548369, "message": "What starts it?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400453}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728746.476831, "message": "What ends it?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400456}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727847.9082141, "message": "What you have described for Wei-Wei fits with UNIVERSE (a situation, a set of circumstances, state of affairs, predicament, environment, milieu).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400270}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300727921.8759689, "message": "That fits.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400288}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728278.1645579, "message": "I agree on Success.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400360}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728574.4813061, "message": "Story Driver is a good question. hang on while I type my thoughts.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400407}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728259.9517519, "message": "I agree that the story was more about the parents getting a grandson than the wedding.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400355}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728333.009861, "message": "Where are you in the program? Plot Storyforming?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400369}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728377.65488, "message": "ok", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400380}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728538.2103729, "message": "(on a personal note, my partner's mother has made it clear that she wants us to have a baby, which means that we would go to a clinic and she would get invitrolized by some of my dna...)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400402}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728700.861762, "message": "Well, the Actions are to keep their relationship secret and have a wedding. The Decisions are to do that.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400444}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728800.8032091, "message": "It's hard to look in the middle, sometimes.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400468}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728819.3607171, "message": "Yeah I'm having trouble with that one.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400474}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728835.8168931, "message": "Well, it starts with teh tape.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400476}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728843.682694, "message": "I'll have to go with Actions.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400479}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728922.5428801, "message": "Look at the first tape, in the gym.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400492}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729060.5766029, "message": "Okay. Action.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400509}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729628.5333159, "message": "To convince his parents that he is married.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400598}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730287.5964489, "message": "Our choices are: Doing, Obtaining, Understanding or Learning.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400686}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730566.9338989, "message": "Yes!", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400727}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730614.8063259, "message": "Obtaining seems to be a better fit than Doing.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400738}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730662.987546, "message": "I think so. Because it's also about obtaining the wedding, obtaining the banquet", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400747}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728906.932476, "message": "Because he moves Simon to the basement and Wei-Wei into his room... but then the tape caused him to decide to do that.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400489}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729045.403476, "message": "That's Action.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400506}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729272.619628, "message": "etc.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400541}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729574.780663, "message": "But they stay after he has his stroke for like a month plus.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400589}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300728970.3980341, "message": "I don't recall the specifics of it because he listened to at least one tape while at the gym (didn't he?)", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400497}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729111.99898, "message": "The only Decision was to keep the relationship secret. Other than that, it was all Action.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400514}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729119.7049601, "message": "Nooooo.....", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400516}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729130.6161301, "message": "I don't tihnk you quite understand", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400519}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729146.1224239, "message": "Every action is followed by a decision. Or every decision is followed by an action.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400521}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729835.4219849, "message": "They do leave before the kid is official, don't they? We don't see the child in the arms of the family at the end.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400631}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730911.7257481, "message": "Hilarious may not be the best choice of words there...", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400780}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731019.858736, "message": "I think that's right. I was having trouble pinning down who changed.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400804}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729026.937382, "message": "I think the gym tape says, \"we signed you up for a singles club.\"", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400504}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729052.0283999, "message": "yes.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400507}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729065.3094211, "message": "And then at the end, the dad gives money to Simon, wrapping that up. Another action.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400510}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729153.9067249, "message": "In a Grand Argument Story, anyway.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400522}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729379.19135, "message": "Generally, there are five of one, and four of the other (I think).", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400551}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730054.2324319, "message": "uh oh", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400656}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730128.8093989, "message": "Optionlock it is.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400663}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730757.3047249, "message": "So, who changes, the OC or the MC?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400755}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729070.6888559, "message": "Different reasons, but the same answer.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400511}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729271.5658109, "message": "Decision: \"You should marry wei-wei\"", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400540}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731029.700448, "message": "In fact, she says, \"You have to ask Simon\" right?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400810}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729125.646821, "message": "Oh?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400517}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729229.9595089, "message": "So: Action: We signed you up for a club.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400530}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729249.2516861, "message": "Decision: he fills out the form instead of telling them he's gay.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400536}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729286.8225341, "message": "Oh I see.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400542}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729263.882082, "message": "Action: Girl comes to meet him.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400538}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729466.3429611, "message": "So, what's the limit and why?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400566}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729986.4224241, "message": "But, she's pregnant, which I think counts.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400646}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730047.5601211, "message": "Update: poop in the pants.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400655}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729393.0016949, "message": "One driver to start and end the movie, and then one at each act break.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400552}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729600.8202381, "message": "What's the protagonist goal?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400593}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729496.468806, "message": "I believe it's Timelock only because his parents are there for two weeks.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400573}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729660.6898229, "message": "I don't think he is.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400605}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729703.902468, "message": "We already said the goal -- the thing that makes the movie a success.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400610}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730201.7095001, "message": "Optionlocks have \"or elses\" too.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400669}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730245.488065, "message": "Well maybe that's a bad example. There is no \"you MUST do this by a certain time\".", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400675}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730268.4457121, "message": "Moving on. What is the OS Concern?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400681}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730510.900243, "message": "I'll have to start with the OS Concern of Doing because there is a lot of physical activity (moving Wei Wei in, getting her pregnant) that occurs, but then", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400716}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730940.7164321, "message": "I understand your perspective on it", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400788}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729601.5106471, "message": "That's true.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400594}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730188.349442, "message": "I suppose there is no \"or else!\" terms contingent in the story, so that would expand it to Optionlock.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400667}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730506.832058, "message": "Your thoughts?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400715}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730841.0890081, "message": "I'm pretty certain it's Wei Wei. She raped Wei Tung with the hope of \"converting\" him, and in the end she must contend with the fact he did not change, and accept that her child will have two dads.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400767}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730890.623471, "message": "Hilarious that you see that as rape.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400777}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731050.6371069, "message": "Great, thanks. This chat is very worthwhile.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400813}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731053.5886791, "message": "See you tomorrow.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400814}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729654.045505, "message": "Well, that's if Wei Tung is the protagonist.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400603}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729729.5773661, "message": "The goal then, is the grandchild.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400615}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300729763.5071149, "message": "And, if the parents leave before the kid is official... is that still a success?", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400623}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730075.9517491, "message": "My point is that I think being pregnant is a success, and it doesn't matter if the parents are still in the country. So the two weeks doesn't matter.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400659}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730253.045233, "message": "Yes, exactly.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400677}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730547.9866991, "message": "Obtaining might relate to getting the grandchild.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400723}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731012.8650119, "message": "I'd like to continue this tomorrow. I have to head out to my screenwriting class.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400802}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300731037.285567, "message": "Great, see you tomorrow.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400811}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300730964.9435, "message": "Well, she's really beautiful, and I wouldn't mind getting mis-used by her.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 400798}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300767770.7308049, "message": "We should start the chat talking about who changed. I think she accepts that he won't change too early in the story for it to be the right piece of character development to focus on.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 404879}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300813802.133008, "message": "I won't be able to chat about this today, but I can continue tomorrow morning until around 9:30 a.m.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 409172}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300829726.2987139, "message": "Wei-Wei: stops trying to pursue Wai-Tung\nWai-Tung: reveals his homosexuality to his parents.\n\nSince the SS is about Wai-Tung and Wei-Wei... does that mean Wei-Wei's change is not in her throughline, but in the throughline of the relationship? Her storyline has to do with dealing with being in the states illegally. There's no change that points directly at that.\n\nI should point out that I'm not sure if changes have to be directly corollated to ones throughline.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 412071}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300829574.087559, "message": "Simon: No change.\nDad: No change.\nMom: No change.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 412044}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300829557.3097019, "message": "I'll see. I hadn't set much time aside besides Monday.\nAnyway, this is what I'm thinking about change/steadfast:", "group_id": 2515, "id": 412039}, {"user_id": 10814, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1300902567.4713409, "message": "Yes, a resolve of Change must correlate to the character's throughline.  His or her throughline is the only context in which the Resolve is measured.  The character can behave differently in other contexts, such as substories or other throughlines, and that behavior does not affect the character's Resolve, per se.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 419172}, {"user_id": 7664, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1301107289.1421249, "message": "So, Buck, we kind of screwed the pooch by putting the OS in Activity/Physics. I'm about 30 minutes into the podcast. \n\nApparently the baby isn't the OS Goal.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 444261}, {"user_id": 7712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13732, "date_created": 1301330105.5938029, "message": "Apologies for disappearing--I had to dedicate time away from the computer and maintain the other half (family first). I'll begin listening to the podcast today.", "group_id": 2515, "id": 459441}]