convore.json/groups/gunicorn/multi-tenant-django-in-gunicorn/messages.json

[{"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297147733.8783159, "message": "There we go. I want to do this.", "group_id": 171, "id": 49154}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192243.2007549, "message": "I don't necessary think it needs to work well enough to run hosted gunicorn as a service", "group_id": 171, "id": 49430}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192126.1042061, "message": "The config file stuff looks crazy for django. How do people actually manage deployment in practice?", "group_id": 171, "id": 49417}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192145.689301, "message": "There is no multi-tenant django", "group_id": 171, "id": 49418}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192147.297384, "message": "AFAIK", "group_id": 171, "id": 49419}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192156.646522, "message": "Hmm", "group_id": 171, "id": 49420}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192157.630383, "message": "@ericflo mentioned it in his \"What's wrong with Django\" talk", "group_id": 171, "id": 49421}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192163.163234, "message": "cause settings.py is global IIUC", "group_id": 171, "id": 49422}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192172.230984, "message": "Ohhhh", "group_id": 171, "id": 49423}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192187.632082, "message": "if there's mostly site-wide stuff in there, that's probably fine", "group_id": 171, "id": 49424}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192231.0175929, "message": "mm", "group_id": 171, "id": 49429}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192255.344434, "message": "If some bits need to be shared, that's fine", "group_id": 171, "id": 49431}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192191.737566, "message": "But @ericflo and @alex would probably two people to ask about such things", "group_id": 171, "id": 49425}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192206.0942061, "message": "well, you can do the sites thing", "group_id": 171, "id": 49426}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192211.5322721, "message": "but that's not true blue multi-tenant", "group_id": 171, "id": 49427}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192219.6457031, "message": "Ie, shared hosting multi-tenant", "group_id": 171, "id": 49428}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192364.13855, "message": "Well, isn't that more or less the definition of multi-tenancy? That disparate apps can live together using shared resources?", "group_id": 171, "id": 49435}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192383.5710521, "message": "If you have to engineer everything then it seems to lose a bit of that", "group_id": 171, "id": 49436}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192394.844882, "message": "then again, I'm using the Cloud computing type of definition", "group_id": 171, "id": 49438}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192277.512326, "message": "But it'd be nice to expose routing or something somehow, so we can do what I've been doing in Greins with trying to roll up multiple apps", "group_id": 171, "id": 49433}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192302.5773449, "message": "Operationally it's just really nice to be able to puppet/chef a config file into place and then HUP and boom", "group_id": 171, "id": 49434}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192393.371412, "message": "yeah, but your requirements are stricter if you say... require information not to leak between them", "group_id": 171, "id": 49437}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192448.0592999, "message": "Except that he's a badass cowboy.", "group_id": 171, "id": 49442}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192411.7388401, "message": "but I'm not concerned about that use case. that's what VMs are for.", "group_id": 171, "id": 49439}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192423.451108, "message": "I want one org to be able to host multiple apps with ease, that's all.", "group_id": 171, "id": 49440}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297192438.0333719, "message": "So, yeah.. where's @ericflo when we need him. I know jack about django.", "group_id": 171, "id": 49441}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296570.512686, "message": "you can't host multiple django projects in a single app server", "group_id": 171, "id": 60942}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296588.272495, "message": "you can have multiple subdomains and what not", "group_id": 171, "id": 60943}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296589.7263141, "message": "I guess I also don't know what shared settings would conflict", "group_id": 171, "id": 60945}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296552.577281, "message": "@tilgovi I'm not really sure.  Last time I looked, it was a definite ways away from being a reality.  You'll definitely have to make changes to Django itself.", "group_id": 171, "id": 60938}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296614.0109401, "message": "multiple subdomains, but you configure it all as one big fing django app?", "group_id": 171, "id": 60950}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296946.26876, "message": "is this what you're saying?", "group_id": 171, "id": 61064}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297297095.162662, "message": "deployment is one project, one server?", "group_id": 171, "id": 61138}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297297021.9258909, "message": "not really, I'm just saying there's no reason a so called multi-tenant app is different from a normal app; if I was writing something like basecamp, for example, I'd still put everything in the same db", "group_id": 171, "id": 61098}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297297071.635217, "message": "or in django-land, models/views/templates", "group_id": 171, "id": 61121}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296520.9171641, "message": "@ericflo is multi-tenant django a real possibility? I'm just looking for a way that developers can work on their own machines and then deploy under a shared wsgi server.", "group_id": 171, "id": 60923}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296734.6567061, "message": "and there's some kind of settings file that's sent to django that describes them, yes?", "group_id": 171, "id": 60984}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296818.8070459, "message": "if whatever internal pieces of that there are can take a file-like object i'm imagining it might be possible to crawl a directory structure describing isolated django apps, ignorant of their belonging to a greater whole, to build these settings", "group_id": 171, "id": 61007}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296658.1707211, "message": "not one app, one project", "group_id": 171, "id": 60964}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296841.865046, "message": "figure out the project configuration at runtime", "group_id": 171, "id": 61017}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297296941.715821, "message": "basically, django expects that apps are part of projects and that all apps in a project are deployed as one?", "group_id": 171, "id": 61057}, {"user_id": 1126, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297297045.5165069, "message": "apps are smaller pieces of a django project, you can think of them as site-specific or generic plugins, basically a coupling of the models, views, controllers unique to that feature of your site", "group_id": 171, "id": 61108}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297301492.9464619, "message": "Postgres required", "group_id": 171, "id": 62360}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297301483.827925, "message": "One of our guys has been working on a similar concept to django-appschema but with the goal of interacting with Django in a cleaner way: https://github.com/tuttle/django-schemata", "group_id": 171, "id": 62356}, {"user_id": 507, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297312806.9786091, "message": "@tilgovi The bit you're missing is that \"multiple Django apps\" have a single \"WSGI app\". Its a tidge confusing on the definitions. Bottom line is that multi-tenant Django apps require code modifications (for the time being).", "group_id": 171, "id": 64813}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297381594.0456209, "user_id": 960}], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297323869.331851, "message": "Yeah, the term \"app\" is unfortunately overloaded.", "group_id": 171, "id": 66823}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297324361.27986, "message": "I'd love to understand what's compelling about django.", "group_id": 171, "id": 66858}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297324309.70683, "message": "ok. so there's some nasty assumption that prevents instantiated these in boxes and creating a proxy wsgi app to route between them", "group_id": 171, "id": 66854}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297324338.401895, "message": "thanks. I'll not worry about it for now.", "group_id": 171, "id": 66856}, {"user_id": 1509, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1297375030.857873, "message": "that's django", "group_id": 171, "id": 75114}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299817027.0861499, "message": "So I think I could set the settings module environment variable to a sentinel value and import django in an environment with a custom __import__ hook, then feed whatever composite settings I want back to it.", "group_id": 171, "id": 319271}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299817035.246871, "message": "But I'm not gonna bother. That's just getting silly.", "group_id": 171, "id": 319272}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299821939.5786719, "message": "Is there really a problem with starting up separate server processes for each of your domains?", "group_id": 171, "id": 319625}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299822013.2849741, "message": "Besides really tight memory constraints you should be able to do that.", "group_id": 171, "id": 319630}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299821983.4269841, "message": "It's simple to create several settings files for domain A, B, and C and start them up as separate processes.", "group_id": 171, "id": 319626}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1899, "date_created": 1299884726.0076971, "message": "@ianmlewis It's not really necessary w django, no. I wrote greins for deploying many separately developed wsgi apps where the operational headache of starting/stopping them all is actually annoying and configuring server hooks that affect all of them desireable.", "group_id": 171, "id": 328550}]