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[{"user_id": 18894, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299313198.7821319, "message": "my recommendation is bottle.py, a micro framework.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275439}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299312846.4634449, "message": "http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2291064", "group_id": 95, "id": 275423}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299312830.1047671, "message": "I am an Interface Designer by profession. Lately I have been trying to teach myself to teach programing language.\nThe only prior experience I have is a bit of C, just enough Php to get through to make WP themes from scratch and just finished the MIT OCW 6.0 along with the book How to Think Like a Computer Scientist.\n\nAlso I know basic MySQL, thanks to my job as an Analyst for over a year.\n\nNow I would like to get started with exposing myself to the part of building apps even if they are the most basic ones. Where should I begin with Web development using Python? (I know Php should have been the logical choice but I am just in love with Python for some reason; seems just right to me than C or Php)\n\nA point to note is that I am highly inclined for Pylons framework over Django because a project on which I want to work on later with other serious/experienced programmers requires it due to its sheer scale. I do not expect to be doing the same level of coding as them but at least I can help them when I am done with the design and UX part of the app.\n\nShould I go for a basic thing like web.py and learn the building blocks or choose Pylons? Please keep in mind my understanding of server side programming, MVC etc is very limited.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275422}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299312860.018918, "message": "Would love all the help I can get from you guys!", "group_id": 95, "id": 275424}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299313550.0774059, "message": "Go with what you'll be using every day. Experiment with Django on the side, then move on to Flask and other things.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275465}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314615.5370469, "message": "the problem with all django /pylons books out there is that they assume this knowledge", "group_id": 95, "id": 275574}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315258.125144, "message": "that said there is no rush", "group_id": 95, "id": 275601}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314397.340102, "message": "As long as you have something in mind and something driving you forward, you'll learn a ton.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275543}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314428.13603, "message": "Django is going to be more approachable in general but unless you know what you're going to be doing, that doesn't help you at all.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275549}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299313848.683342, "message": "No path of least resistance?", "group_id": 95, "id": 275504}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314636.2226851, "message": "so the question is where to read this stuff with a focus on python", "group_id": 95, "id": 275577}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299313843.9487269, "message": "So I am guessing the idea is to just dive and figure out how to swim?", "group_id": 95, "id": 275502}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314579.840611, "message": "I think the bigger problem in my case is the stuff like configuring servers, linking the database, creating sessions etc", "group_id": 95, "id": 275566}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314642.398227, "message": "if at all such a thin exists", "group_id": 95, "id": 275578}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315076.8672769, "message": "See, there is a team of smarter actual developers and I being one of the co founders am focused on the design and product strategy part", "group_id": 95, "id": 275595}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314676.6263559, "message": "Is that stuff that you'll really need to be working with or can you get by with focusing on local development? Why do you really need to be deploying this stuff now?", "group_id": 95, "id": 275580}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315217.9847729, "message": "i am not telling my dev skills need to be as good as dhh or marco arment but atleast they can be enough to build prototypes", "group_id": 95, "id": 275599}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314383.811265, "message": "Well... I've personally found that learning something new is astoundingly difficult unless you're actively working on something, whether it be a \"real project\" or a really motivated side project.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275541}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299314595.098037, "message": "i mean i have no clue how to do all that stuff esp in python", "group_id": 95, "id": 275570}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315099.908505, "message": "however, i want to be able to reach a stage where i do not get handicapped by my lack of understanding how to create web apps", "group_id": 95, "id": 275596}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315113.865732, "message": "also i want to make sure the team gets all and any help it can", "group_id": 95, "id": 275597}, {"user_id": 6661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299315254.3824849, "message": "with design and product strategy in my skill bag, this feels like the next frontier", "group_id": 95, "id": 275600}, {"user_id": 14763, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299317848.8028891, "message": "Not sure how good it is but I'll be using http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/ when I start learning Django.", "group_id": 95, "id": 275659}, {"user_id": 719, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299373676.9504001, "user_id": 14763}], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299324976.1206999, "message": "@faheem You should probably keep in mind that quite a bit has changed since that book was published. It's still a decent book though.", "group_id": 95, "id": 276022}, {"user_id": 18530, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299346894.625577, "message": "Read up on Django and Twisted Python. Both are excellent for what you're looking to work on. There are plenty of easily google-able resources on both.", "group_id": 95, "id": 276874}, {"user_id": 18530, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299346918.3956411, "message": "I also agree with @micrypt - that resource, while useful, is a bit out of date.", "group_id": 95, "id": 276878}, {"user_id": 18530, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299346957.115958, "message": "whatever you use TC I'd be interested in what you end up using to learn - my hackerspace is always looking for more resources to teach people technologies :-)", "group_id": 95, "id": 276882}, {"user_id": 227, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299386008.9711001, "message": "Again, I don't think it matters what you learn, as long as you're learning something that will be immediately applied and exercised. That's the best learning experience you can get.", "group_id": 95, "id": 278552}, {"user_id": 7540, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299398307.685807, "message": "http://gigantuan.net/2010/07/getting-started-with-django-episode-1/", "group_id": 95, "id": 279057}, {"user_id": 7540, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299398318.020314, "message": "Also, motion seconded for djangobook.com", "group_id": 95, "id": 279059}, {"user_id": 3409, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299453036.0308111, "user_id": 14763}], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299400965.794311, "message": "@faheem Djangobook is amazing. I'd probably rate it #1 in terms of teaching a new framework. In just a few chapters, with minimal work, you've already built some pretty cool things.", "group_id": 95, "id": 279152}, {"user_id": 18281, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299410441.267828, "message": "i dont think that django assumes much knowledge at all. its the first web framework i've ever looked at and im using it as part of my day job less than a year later, so dive in. i'd also check out the tut on the django site rather than a book which is for a previous edition.", "group_id": 95, "id": 279825}, {"user_id": 14763, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10955, "date_created": 1299453186.8717029, "message": "@thetylerhayes  @edanm Thanks, I'll be sure to check it out alongside the official Django documentation/tutorials", "group_id": 95, "id": 282296}]