convore.json/groups/overtone/general-discussion/messages.json

[{"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506527.629405, "message": "yo", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193774}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506482.62041, "message": "?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193765}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506667.291888, "message": "s/beat/beats/", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193817}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506688.931118, "message": "and bars", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193821}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506705.660784, "message": "definitely", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193826}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506978.3412421, "message": "but it seemed pretty powerful", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193883}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507075.3670371, "message": "I really like the (be-late) concept", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193902}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506787.5979681, "message": "what do you mean by late?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193844}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507414.383498, "message": "and it still doesn't really cut it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194056}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507446.2400529, "message": "that's not random, and you really notice it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194067}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507505.138881, "message": "yeah marius, that would be great", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194083}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507676.633219, "message": "whoops, didn't mean to hit return yet...", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194129}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507304.1716411, "message": "huh... if you are around the corner and you don't know what's making the sound, you'll perceive it the same way", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194029}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507541.627646, "message": "but we're still left with a declarative statement - x beats per bar", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194095}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507552.318619, "message": "or can we improve on that with procedures?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194098}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507559.7925971, "message": "f(x) beats per bar", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194101}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507571.40839, "message": "is that even useful? :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194103}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506560.2289579, "message": "cool, sounds good", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193783}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507600.5501871, "message": "haha", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194109}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506538.0540259, "message": "it's like IRC but you can split it up into topics and it's permanently archived", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193779}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506649.4825809, "message": "yeah that sounds like the right approach", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193811}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506696.1287651, "message": "I think having a way of shifting things slightly from the beat is a great idea", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193822}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506950.8142741, "message": "right. I think that's an excellent and intuitive way to represent it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193869}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506967.591934, "message": "milliseconds are also not tempo-indepedent -> bad.", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193876}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507119.412704, "message": "especially with non-western musics, we'll mess it all up if we specify too much. they have lots of changing time signatures and elastic beats and so on", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193908}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506786.932894, "message": "so one thing I was thinking about is the connection between note length and groove", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193843}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507078.2595949, "message": "yeah, definitely have pluggable time", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193903}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506836.1447999, "message": "what were you thinking about it?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193852}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507286.155273, "message": "hmm interesting. I don't know if it is.", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193999}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507361.3352921, "message": "ie the same deviation would stand out against the background of the surrounding music", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194044}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506750.1429751, "message": "if you think about a drummer hitting a hi-hat, etc", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193837}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506797.81196, "message": "precisely what you just mentioned :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193848}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506864.98647, "message": "so the two concepts are tied together in one value", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193856}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508720.5449259, "message": "how?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194391}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507056.1476569, "message": "so at least to consider a sane interface for plugging different systems in", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193896}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506569.030293, "message": "hey Jeff", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193787}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506596.149297, "message": "because milliseconds isn't that sweet", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193795}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506722.5894921, "message": "it sounds to me something that people just do naturally", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193831}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506728.3364739, "message": "rather than explicitly think abou tit", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193834}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506776.6450241, "message": "but won't certain rhythms require the hi-hat to always be hit late?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193840}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507318.1057539, "message": "so it seems to me that it's all perception, and the source doesn't matter", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194033}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507347.6154549, "message": "hmmm", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194040}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507425.9875071, "message": "both, but normally small", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194059}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507433.6318779, "message": "the problem is that human variation isn't random", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194061}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506523.8880129, "message": "yo", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193772}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506595.5203171, "message": "Jeff was saying\"Jeff: it seems like having a seq of durations leads to more experimentation with timing\nJeff: while with the metronome you tend to put stuff on the beat\nJeff: I don't know how best to get more of a sense of groove\n\"", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193794}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506707.943496, "message": "even if was just random deviations or something", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193827}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506725.1171069, "message": "also being able to change the quantization within the beat - swing - get a groove", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193832}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506650.6260049, "message": "so, yeah, representation of time is a toughie", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193813}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507037.184768, "message": "actually, on the 'late' topic - my phd research right now is on a psychological concept called just noticeable differences, which measure how much you can change a perceptual dimension without noticing it as 'different' from the original. so perhaps there is a constant proportion of the 'length of one beat' that a drum beat can be late without sounding wrong, and we could program that proportion into a (be-late) function", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193894}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506562.7100861, "message": "hey Sam", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193784}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506576.169404, "message": "we were talking about how to represent time", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193790}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506596.3891289, "message": "with a big monster clock", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193796}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506608.6900311, "message": "with glow-in-the-dark hands", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193804}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506662.378371, "message": "Marius, you were also talking about breaking time into beat", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193815}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506680.967696, "message": "and time signatures", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193819}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506714.0059259, "message": "however, how might a musician think of that", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193828}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506740.2474821, "message": "yeah. hence I think random variation would be a good model for it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193835}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506780.90713, "message": "I have read that some funk drummers consciously try to hit their drums on the first beat of a bar as 'late' as possible and that this helps it sound funky", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193841}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506854.3845799, "message": "Using an absolute time like ms means you have to think both in terms of, \"on the one and the three,\" and in terms of the slight changes in position for groove.", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193854}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506891.9108119, "message": "another way could be to separate them, where you specify note length in something like beats or quarter notes", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193864}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506902.8845961, "message": "and then apply a groove to it, that shifts notes", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193866}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506917.1822481, "message": "so they would be two values", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193867}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506972.41171, "message": "but that's probably too complicated", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193881}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507179.1974571, "message": "marius: I'm assuming that the notion of noticeable differences is different if a human is doing it compared to a machine", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193923}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508281.6298859, "message": "so like, in drum and bass, there's an implicit and reasonably complex hierarchy of which beats in the bar are more important than another and which must have a certain emphasis if another has emphasis, etc", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194284}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509185.3426809, "message": "and rock band drums :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194502}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509237.998075, "message": "(guitar)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194509}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509239.5911591, "message": "oh yeah, I play a little harmonica", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194510}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509261.0279529, "message": "time to pass out", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194514}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506989.885788, "message": "and each metronome could have its own groove", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193887}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507450.649694, "message": "so marius, where do you think the introduction of programming languages can improve over the standard notion of time in music?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194068}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507464.1265571, "message": "both in terms of notation and actual production of timed events", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194074}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507481.8759789, "message": "we should look for info on how humans actually vary timing in music", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194078}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298506968.0007131, "message": "the way i was starting to think of it was in terms of multiple metronomes defined in terms of each other", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193877}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507258.7735789, "message": "no, I mean a human is doign the perceiving but either a machine or a human is doing the action and that the perception of time is different if it's a machine doing it rather than the human", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193945}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507297.2100351, "message": "apparently it's well researched already", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194023}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507338.0373931, "message": "but it's not the case", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194036}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507652.265007, "message": "what are you thinking?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194120}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507333.8875041, "message": "that's what you'd think", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194035}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508198.25646, "message": "um, going back about 5 minutes to what sam said about programming improving upon current notations of time, I think", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194267}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508323.447732, "message": "does that make sense?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194294}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508368.2206819, "message": "so, jeff was looking at a really basic drum beat for the 12 bar blues", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194303}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507349.0535581, "message": "I'd certainly imagine that humans would accept more leeway in a performance that was full of slight random deviations than in a performance where every drumbeat but one was exactly on the beat", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194041}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509218.6610439, "message": "how about you?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194505}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507039.5192161, "message": "so I guess we should also be thinking that we might want to be experimenting with different approaches to generating 'time events'", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193895}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507068.502841, "message": "perhaps one system is good for jazz, another for trance...", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193899}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507170.8596351, "message": "(be-late) could take an argument, from 0 <-> 1 that specifies how late it is, from not at all to the whole proportion", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193921}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507216.388463, "message": "I'm assuming a human is doing the perceiving, is that what you mean?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193933}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507280.35273, "message": "at least, this is what an interesting chap in my research group was telling me", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193987}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508506.872606, "message": "oh, sure", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194342}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508525.356987, "message": "but you seemed to be getting at a way of notating these things in terms of each other", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194348}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508709.1490941, "message": "I just unintentionally gave an excellent demonstration of how I think about beats", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194388}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507383.469517, "message": "marius - i'll get you some references", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194048}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507595.459625, "message": "not for the sort of music we listen to ;-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194107}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507193.1256239, "message": "or it could (be-off), and go from -1 <-> 1", "group_id": 4983, "id": 193928}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507515.5871141, "message": "one obvious one you pointed out was losing the bottom number of time signatures", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194086}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507608.5498879, "message": "it could be interesting to make a very declarative api", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194111}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507627.604589, "message": "even that's not true, autechre would adore a functional beat", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194113}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507403.183037, "message": "I've experimented lots with random variation", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194052}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507439.5598841, "message": "like you mentioned before, late on the one", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194065}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507544.6270671, "message": "is that enough?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194096}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507652.429354, "message": "jeff listens to abba all day", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194121}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508075.9204559, "message": "so james-brown-groove would be extracted from a midi file or something?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194234}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507291.1115811, "message": "ask him for a reference or something", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194007}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507388.2125709, "message": ":-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194049}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507416.79809, "message": "small ones or large ones?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194057}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507666.2643189, "message": "where you could say things like:\n(-> (player piano)\n  (hit 1 3)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194127}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507731.5914929, "message": "(-> (player bass)\n  (hit 1 3)\n  (emphasis 1 0.7)\n  (random 16 0.2))", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194137}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507788.1779349, "message": "and build a library of statements like that", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194157}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507406.1326251, "message": "or cyclic", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194053}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507488.4633291, "message": "i'm just thinking super high level here", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194080}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507772.755527, "message": "so play a bass synth on the 1 and the 3 with probabilistic emphasis on the 1 and an occasional note on the 16", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194149}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507916.665853, "message": "some daw software lets you 'apply a groove' to preexisting tracks", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194195}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507989.6656899, "message": "it'd be nice to have something similar - I'm thinking even more high-level that your example - something like (groove james-brown-groove current-drumbeat)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194214}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508009.681006, "message": "or even (groove james-brown-groove beat) to make all the parts follow the groove globally", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194220}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508231.1418769, "message": "it could be really nice if the structure of the beat - for want of a better phrase - was made explicit somewhere and that information could be used elsewhere in a song", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194274}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508829.4045751, "message": "yep", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194415}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507515.8839009, "message": "definitely", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194087}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507519.587466, "message": "it would be very interesting to look at some timing variation data-sets", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194090}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508411.2862561, "message": "and then work our way up to drum 'n bass", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194315}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508561.4299779, "message": "or perhaps i misunderstood?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194355}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508608.0284369, "message": "and then see what the commonality between the simple version and the complex version are", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194366}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508779.0701611, "message": "so, that's also very interesting", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194402}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508477.7834871, "message": "or you could even do a basic [1 0 0 1 0 0 1]", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194330}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508818.2987051, "message": "etc", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194411}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509044.9912331, "message": "so I took the sets used to describe chords and sorted them from lowest to highest", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194459}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509118.2953441, "message": "I agree, it would be great to have a set of templates", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194482}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509233.4779389, "message": "nice", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194507}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509310.4331999, "message": "I had envisioned a nice construction project... :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194529}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507606.0955181, "message": "well, sorry, I can't speak for Jeff :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194110}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508011.915756, "message": "I was thinking they would basically generate and manipulate a sequencer line", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194222}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508040.347137, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194228}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508063.8943019, "message": ":-) that's the correct way to do it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194232}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508456.4372721, "message": "so the simple way is individual declarative statements w.r.t. the current beat", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194325}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508587.899574, "message": "so it would be interesting to try and describe the beat in those terms", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194361}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508789.648119, "message": "how might we combine/alter current beat templates?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194406}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508798.3720789, "message": "like I think of house as techno + off-beat hi-hats", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194408}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508901.042649, "message": "hmm ok", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194426}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509180.9545929, "message": "I play guitar and the basics on a keyboard", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194500}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509187.8988481, "message": "nice", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194503}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509211.4355099, "message": "i rub coins over an old washboard", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194504}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507903.889662, "message": "do you imagine these declarations interacting with each other in any way?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194189}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507837.3112631, "message": "then you could shift from one set of statements to another to switch the groove and such for different parts of a piece", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194165}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507889.313478, "message": "sounds interesting", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194183}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508092.1922951, "message": "or it would be a set of statements describing the james brown style?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194237}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507918.3141229, "message": "i.e. play if the bass played on the last beat", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194196}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508832.0690539, "message": "and discuss the concrete", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194417}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298507948.6281371, "message": "I think they basically take the low-level timing relations of, say, one drumbeat, and superimpose it on another", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194201}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508121.772748, "message": "either, yeah. we could write it by hand, a bit like envelopes", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194245}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508337.81638, "message": "interesting", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194297}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508501.8465919, "message": "or durations ie [3 3 1] for the same thing", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194339}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508572.763273, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194358}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508907.0019181, "message": "yep", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194429}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508319.798486, "message": "if that was explicit, you could ask for an instrument to play randomly _at an appropriate point in the bar_ rather than just randomly, anytime", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194292}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508383.594713, "message": "i wonder if we could use something like that to test our ideas", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194308}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508967.432874, "message": "whatever suits", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194438}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508877.287895, "message": "marius, feel free to just free-style code your ideas without worrying how to implement it", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194422}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508998.4862051, "message": "what does (cycle (map sort (progression blues-chords :a 2 :ionian))) do?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194447}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509139.7185271, "message": "even if it starts with just the really stereo typical forms", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194487}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508461.8857939, "message": "as jeff described earlier", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194328}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508483.4070821, "message": "where 1 is hit and 0 is rest", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194331}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508501.2250111, "message": "so it would be interesting to notate a basic drum beat like that", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194338}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508628.45893, "message": "and use that as our timing interface", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194371}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508649.0204329, "message": "so reading the blues.clj, the beat was basically slow techno with a random tom every so often?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194377}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508817.668983, "message": "garage is house but with skippy unquantized bass drums", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194410}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509026.1676781, "message": "I was going to experiment with strumming chords", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194453}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509036.576731, "message": "so it's taking the result of (progression blues-chors :a 1 :ionian)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194457}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509125.551362, "message": "great to have you on board Marius", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194484}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509131.693922, "message": "thank you!", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194485}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509237.953337, "message": "them low-down honkey-tonk blues", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194508}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509266.7576699, "message": "take it easy", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194516}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508545.1412959, "message": "i.e. if the cymbal hit the last bar, then the snare should probably come in 2 beats from now", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194351}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508579.2492161, "message": "i mean yeah that's right :-)", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194359}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508658.220732, "message": "hahaha", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194379}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508749.197808, "message": "(mix (slow-techno) (random-tom))", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194397}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508750.0919051, "message": "by describing it as diffs to a template in my head rather than a sequence of sounds per se", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194399}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509083.389086, "message": "yeah, then cycle infinite loops it, lazily", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194474}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509160.0411539, "message": "do you play instruments, Jeff?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194493}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509164.2212451, "message": "and etc", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194494}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509176.008374, "message": "jeff plays the triangle", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194498}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509181.5692921, "message": "and hits sticks together occasionally", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194501}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509226.362958, "message": "I howl and moan the blues on a street corner", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194506}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509269.3177691, "message": "take care jeff", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194518}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509274.763166, "message": "night night Sam", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194520}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509278.7617049, "message": "night Marius", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194522}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509251.068666, "message": "basically one blues riff", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194513}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509262.794838, "message": "later guys", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194515}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508826.131788, "message": "so my gut feeling is that we should just try to codify some stuff up", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194413}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509097.5016639, "message": "merci", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194477}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509107.2607279, "message": "right, i'm going to hit the sack", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194479}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509108.24998, "message": "programming is awesome", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194480}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509135.118711, "message": "I think you're going to be a really great help", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194486}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509148.4876821, "message": "yeah, great to have someone with real music chops", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194489}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508902.8807919, "message": "are you sure?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194427}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509047.247092, "message": "oh I see", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194460}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509057.324002, "message": "which will be a sequence of sequences", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194464}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509065.484911, "message": "and then sorts each of the sub sequences", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194468}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509073.7027171, "message": "and then creates an infinite loop of them", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194472}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509677.47454, "message": "oh, Jeff", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194565}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509679.4110999, "message": "I wanted to ask", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194566}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509684.28281, "message": "how did Overtone come about?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194570}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508927.870894, "message": "but be prepared for probing questions about how it might work", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194432}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508964.832267, "message": "oh wow ok. the second seems a bit airy-fairy", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194437}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508972.345468, "message": "yep, it is", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194439}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508979.902107, "message": "it'd make me think though", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194442}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508983.0607891, "message": "but it's a great way of getting your ideas from your mind to something more real", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194443}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508943.2843461, "message": "wait, what exactly do you mean? like, code them but not worry about how they interact with the rest of the codebase, or write pseudo-code that I wish would work?", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194433}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508952.0206571, "message": "either", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194434}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508991.6099401, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194445}, {"user_id": 15471, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298508993.216922, "message": "and it will be a useful process", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194446}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509090.099632, "message": "yep", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194475}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509056.58337, "message": "also to get the lowest note for the bass line", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194463}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298509288.244261, "message": "man, bummer about the minecraft server", "group_id": 4983, "id": 194526}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298569943.785836, "message": "Unfortunately it cuts off right when we are about to start jamming...", "group_id": 4983, "id": 199536}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298569927.793844, "message": "Missed this last night...  You might be interested in checking out a presentation Sam and I did a while back, where I discussed this: http://vimeo.com/16143967", "group_id": 4983, "id": 199533}, {"user_id": 15472, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298569966.3075321, "message": "In short though, it has just been a hobby project that arose out of experiments with a friend's modular synthesizer and drum machines", "group_id": 4983, "id": 199546}, {"user_id": 728, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8438, "date_created": 1298803310.972553, "message": "I've started writing down all my ideas re: the project in a pleasant-to-read way at https://github.com/mariuskempe/Overtone/wiki/Ideas", "group_id": 4983, "id": 216923}]