convore.json/groups/php-1/do-you-use-a-framework/messages.json

[{"user_id": 10456, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297898593.8989029, "user_id": 12466}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297714030.549824, "message": "I usually program using a file with some useful functions that I made some years ag, but I don't use anyframework yet", "group_id": 499, "id": 104150}, {"user_id": 8981, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297714023.1958079, "message": "For web projects, yep. Kohana3 at the moment, though I will switch to ZF2 when its released.", "group_id": 499, "id": 104144}, {"user_id": 10456, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297714047.4528179, "message": "could you tell me pros and cons of frameworks?", "group_id": 499, "id": 104157}, {"user_id": 10456, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297713941.7470641, "message": "Hello everyone =)", "group_id": 499, "id": 104124}, {"user_id": 1645, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302018203.57356, "user_id": 10265}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297714317.8650301, "message": "I currently use CodeIgniter for all my new PHP projects. It's lightweight, easy to use, and easy to ignore if you just want to use the MVC portion.", "group_id": 499, "id": 104194}, {"user_id": 7208, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297747591.7191539, "message": "The pros are probably functionality, speed of development and reusability, the cons are baggage and some constraints", "group_id": 499, "id": 109399}, {"user_id": 7208, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297747514.199105, "message": "Work on and use Chisimba. It has a lot of modules if you want functionality, but you can ignore the modules you don't need and just use its MVC method. Has editiable canvas, JSON templates, and a whole lot of APIs.", "group_id": 499, "id": 109397}, {"user_id": 11254, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297750704.5670929, "message": "I use chisimba framework, which uses the MVC paradigm and has a powerful module management feature, allowing people to (un)install modules and configure sites based on need..check chisimba.com for more...", "group_id": 499, "id": 109522}, {"user_id": 2106, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297749497.9423389, "message": "I use Nette Framework.", "group_id": 499, "id": 109482}, {"user_id": 11299, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297756741.2500291, "message": "I am using chisimba framework.", "group_id": 499, "id": 109754}, {"user_id": 12466, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297898600.7980001, "message": "@miniunis +1 !", "group_id": 499, "id": 126266}, {"user_id": 12261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297898812.3476059, "message": "I would highly suggest CodeIgniter 2 hosted on BitBucket(I think?) There are a lot of good improvements and I am updating all my website's and client websites to run on it in the next few months.", "group_id": 499, "id": 126349}, {"user_id": 8838, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297930091.752059, "message": "I'm currently using a homebrewn framework which lends some it's design and conceptual idea's from ZF and Code Igniter. I'm planning on checking out Symfony reloaded soon.", "group_id": 499, "id": 129993}, {"user_id": 11816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297942283.6151371, "message": "i use zend framework", "group_id": 499, "id": 130818}, {"user_id": 11422, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1297944711.904314, "message": "I'm using solarphp its really handy", "group_id": 499, "id": 131122}, {"user_id": 2889, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1298048740.1321001, "message": "I've been using Codeigniter for years. Made a quick webapp this week without it and felt lost. Now that I understand the MVC setup, I'll never go back.", "group_id": 499, "id": 144387}, {"user_id": 12261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1298066117.6036019, "message": "@tjmckenzie I had to fix a classmate's code that was mixed in with HTML recently for an assignment and I almost started crying. The professor wants us to embed our code into the HTML and it makes me sick since learning CI, so I don't do it.", "group_id": 499, "id": 146750}, {"user_id": 16348, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1298849094.8977981, "message": "i use Codeigniter, it's fast, simple and you can get under the hood easily, and doesn't require Terminal to make new projects like ZF or cakePHP", "group_id": 499, "id": 222346}, {"user_id": 15666, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1298871486.996521, "message": "Codeigniter, ftw. :)", "group_id": 499, "id": 223693}, {"user_id": 17522, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299081164.6907649, "user_id": 15666}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299045014.0399511, "message": "I use Kohana 3 because chicks dig guys who use that framework.", "group_id": 499, "id": 245179}, {"user_id": 16440, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299047802.0947051, "message": "I'm currently high on Lithium - http://lithify.me/ It just works, fast :) For bigger projects I'm also a fanboy of http://www.typo3.org/ that is a CMS with a framework and tons of extensions", "group_id": 499, "id": 245370}, {"user_id": 17766, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299082144.3589649, "message": "use ZendFramework.  Anyone use Yii?  I would be interested in hearing about your experience with it.", "group_id": 499, "id": 248258}, {"user_id": 16348, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299093806.088382, "message": "well Yii looks promising but leaks the advertising and marketing, cakePHP ,ZF got lots of them, i never got to use Yii but i would love to hear what's different between it and other Frameworks", "group_id": 499, "id": 252037}, {"user_id": 18761, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299257725.8072071, "message": "i use CakePHP , it's best framework", "group_id": 499, "id": 271172}, {"user_id": 19112, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299423843.3315799, "message": "3 weeks ago I decided to use a PHP Framework for the first time, was torn between cake and CodeIgniter. I ultimately went with CI, and am liking quite a bit.", "group_id": 499, "id": 280238}, {"user_id": 19287, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299492744.107496, "message": "I am using Yii and personally think it is a great framework. The problem is that there isn't such a big community as the project is only about 2 years old. Anyways, you can easily add Zend modules/extensions (and not only that) if that is a feature you are searching for.", "group_id": 499, "id": 286794}, {"user_id": 18347, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299599098.066767, "message": "KohanaPHP FTW!", "group_id": 499, "id": 296980}, {"user_id": 1244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299609307.783464, "message": "I just built LinkChirp.com in CodeIgniter and I loved it. Very easy to pickup and learn but quite powerful without feeling bloated.", "group_id": 499, "id": 298268}, {"user_id": 18332, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299701276.426312, "message": "I think using a framework is entirely dependent on the project. I have used Zend, Cake, Lithium, Symfony, and a few others. Zend is the only one I have really liked, because of its power, but this power comes with a lot of bloat. I have a framework I built for PHP 5.3 that I use for building APIs because it is lightweight. So the choice is just which is right for your project.", "group_id": 499, "id": 307876}, {"user_id": 5815, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299717965.3302169, "message": "i don't use much but.. if its required i would prefer codeignitor or zend", "group_id": 499, "id": 309673}, {"user_id": 20229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299755572.581476, "message": "Hello guys. I tried out Code Igniter over the weekend for a sample application - really liked it! greetings from switzerland..", "group_id": 499, "id": 312560}, {"user_id": 528, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299799119.0151041, "message": "Also fuelphp (by one of the CI contributors) is new and interesting", "group_id": 499, "id": 317518}, {"user_id": 528, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299799096.4948919, "message": "Codeigniter 2 is awesome!", "group_id": 499, "id": 317515}, {"user_id": 20229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299837981.3034079, "message": "Looks cool - really like the logo ;)", "group_id": 499, "id": 321074}, {"user_id": 2712, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299893167.0746369, "message": "I started to work on a new little site today. I use glue for dispatching and h2o as templating language.", "group_id": 499, "id": 329405}, {"user_id": 15288, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299908277.42046, "message": "I've used Zend, CodeIgniter (since around 1.6.1 and CI2) and Kohana. Kohana is the best framework I used so far, the problem is that the documentation sucks big time (you regularly have to read the code itself to understand how to make something).", "group_id": 499, "id": 330331}, {"user_id": 16348, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1299932211.506475, "message": "@liveink : i also developed a CMS called Egypt i think you need to see it  http://blazeeboy.github.com/Codeigniter-Egypt/", "group_id": 499, "id": 331402}, {"user_id": 20884, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300007242.5470841, "message": "Nope. Frameworks aren't for me, unless I really need to.", "group_id": 499, "id": 339681}, {"user_id": 11991, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300330082.6309471, "message": "If it is a big project I always use Codeigniter, if it is a simple page, without functionality I code everything without a framework.", "group_id": 499, "id": 371062}, {"user_id": 22060, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300329760.3926051, "message": "I never used to use a framework but i am coming around. Codeignitor is excellent especially when you use the API - http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/working-with-restful-services-in-codeigniter-2/", "group_id": 499, "id": 371044}, {"user_id": 21724, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300371622.0481851, "message": "I use symfony, is great ;)", "group_id": 499, "id": 374278}, {"user_id": 22422, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300374612.4897261, "message": "Zend Framework here also.", "group_id": 499, "id": 374789}, {"user_id": 22425, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300374576.7489641, "message": "Yes, I work w/ ZF", "group_id": 499, "id": 374782}, {"user_id": 19708, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300376725.8232181, "message": "I used to always code without a framework but started playing with codeigniter a few months ago. Now working on a new startup and decided to use codeigniter. Little bit of a learning curve but getting hooked.", "group_id": 499, "id": 375068}, {"user_id": 528, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300448772.7961259, "message": "+1 codeigniter + rest", "group_id": 499, "id": 381469}, {"user_id": 7490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300818143.523629, "message": "Would you recommend somebody learning PHP for the first time to use a framework or code things without to start with ?", "group_id": 499, "id": 409938}, {"user_id": 22060, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300910193.9013281, "user_id": 7490}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300863898.3258801, "message": "@TSJ Learn the basics of PHP first before looking at a framework. Frameworks wont make sense to you unless you have a solid base", "group_id": 499, "id": 415031}, {"user_id": 22481, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1300949781.5762711, "message": "Yes, I use a framework for just about anything. Unless the project aim is such that it *will never* require more than a couple lines of code, I see no reason not to use a framework from scratch and get all the benefits that comes along with it.", "group_id": 499, "id": 424481}, {"user_id": 19708, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301328867.367754, "message": "I second @TSJ.  Learn php first then framework. I've been coding in php for nearly 10 years and still have a hard time getting my mind around the framework from time to time since I just started learning Codeigniter recently. Still, not going back to straight php if I can help it.", "group_id": 499, "id": 459149}, {"user_id": 15787, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301336446.6093199, "message": "I use symfony", "group_id": 499, "id": 460633}, {"user_id": 26382, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301423594.2729521, "message": "Whatever you do - don't get stuck with PHP. Eg Ruby can be used for more tasks. Eg you can write applications keeping state in memory etc. If you think about such topics PHP is a lock in.", "group_id": 499, "id": 471377}, {"user_id": 15787, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301557783.5752189, "message": "what you mean with 'keeping state in memory'?", "group_id": 499, "id": 489934}, {"user_id": 20962, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301671061.211551, "message": "I use Symfony as well....", "group_id": 499, "id": 502519}, {"user_id": 25286, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1301954559.3004191, "message": "If you wanna start with a php framework, I recommend CodeIgniter. It's very easy to learn and well documented (IMO, is the best documented).", "group_id": 499, "id": 529852}, {"user_id": 7490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1302452427.257777, "message": "Do frameworks significantly reduce development time ?", "group_id": 499, "id": 610450}, {"user_id": 4149, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1302468171.226747, "message": "@TSJ also depends on what you want to do, larger projects or projects that use the same code over and over to render content", "group_id": 499, "id": 613541}, {"user_id": 22060, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1302468110.8786991, "message": "@TSJ for larger projects I would say yes", "group_id": 499, "id": 613525}, {"user_id": 22451, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1302538252.0749371, "message": "@TSJ Frameworks also tend to help you get better organized, which really helps when it comes time to maintain the code.", "group_id": 499, "id": 625603}, {"user_id": 1881, "stars": [{"date_created": 1306344741.0758829, "user_id": 22603}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1302622512.4744351, "message": "I've used CakePHP a lot. They have decent documentation and its nice to work with for the most part.", "group_id": 499, "id": 644183}, {"user_id": 20889, "stars": [{"date_created": 1306344743.436789, "user_id": 22603}], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1306340662.0442121, "message": "I use CodeIgniter as PHP Framework and Rails otherwise.", "group_id": 499, "id": 1180353}, {"user_id": 3444, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1306343257.107743, "message": "@OyoKooN Yeah, I'm really starting to love CodeIgniter. That framework is really doing some great things.", "group_id": 499, "id": 1180932}, {"user_id": 20889, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1306389827.7938831, "message": "@CrowderSoup If I can help you ;)", "group_id": 499, "id": 1188592}, {"user_id": 3444, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1306406472.765692, "message": "@OyoKooN Sure, I'll DM you if I need any help :)", "group_id": 499, "id": 1190837}, {"user_id": 25286, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1306415591.6136479, "message": "I use FuelPHP or Kohana.", "group_id": 499, "id": 1191608}, {"user_id": 22481, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1311550882.709059, "message": "I just wrote up a piece comparing the communities of the top PHP frameworks: http://vvv.tobiassjosten.net/php/communities-comparison-for-php-frameworks - is that something you consider when considering a foundation for your next project?", "group_id": 499, "id": 1711931}, {"user_id": 28660, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1311993949.0342541, "message": "I use CakePHP but looking foward to build my own :)", "group_id": 499, "id": 1752852}, {"user_id": 38860, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5688, "date_created": 1312351903.0385361, "message": "now i try to learn CakePHP :D, interest with this framework :D", "group_id": 499, "id": 1782499}]