convore.json/groups/pycon-2011/continuous-deployment/messages.json

[{"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956179.5647709, "message": "ah true", "group_id": 373, "id": 334848}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956498.7760429, "message": "Overall a good talk, but he speaks too fast and either mumbled or the mic was kind of fuzzy :(", "group_id": 373, "id": 334963}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956722.0574441, "message": "@dcolish it does, although I had all sorts of problems trying to get it to run on Thursday so I could play with it...", "group_id": 373, "id": 335085}, {"user_id": 20676, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955133.880934, "message": "is just it me or are many of the talks experiencing technical issues?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334530}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955982.0176029, "message": "i hate that argument :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334786}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956083.0529661, "message": "@derks which IMO, you should", "group_id": 373, "id": 334819}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956318.2130289, "message": "plenty of my python packages depend on C libraries. :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334891}, {"user_id": 20783, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956411.622334, "message": "@derks but mysql is a /fantastic/ nosql database", "group_id": 373, "id": 334938}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956681.835165, "message": "@joshourisman It's really either that or log to disk. We'll probably have both features and let people choose.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335052}, {"user_id": 20967, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956818.8028369, "message": "8pm open space", "group_id": 373, "id": 335116}, {"user_id": 20050, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955435.0054641, "message": "@zeeg which keynote exactly?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334621}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956485.899229, "message": "@elpargo pip and requirements.txt doesn't install libjpeg for you so that PIL will actually work with jpegs.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334960}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956629.969934, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956590.2754321, "message": "@dcolish vagrant? ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335018}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955051.6694331, "message": "CI = continuous testing master", "group_id": 373, "id": 334505}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955140.5349989, "message": "haha", "group_id": 373, "id": 334534}, {"user_id": 4107, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299955360.2030189, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955252.6968901, "message": "make it *super* easy to roll back, sometimes even automated, and don't be afraid of errors going out sometimes", "group_id": 373, "id": 334562}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955321.034713, "message": "but you still need a strong CI, they just generally aren't very high level (integration) tests because they're aimed at speed", "group_id": 373, "id": 334588}, {"user_id": 13340, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956553.1321299, "user_id": 4107}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956527.4335289, "message": "What did we do before we had @bitprophet's fabric?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334984}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955388.228138, "message": "@danlevine That's exactly my understanding. I was only being half flip :) though usually s/userbase/monitoring/", "group_id": 373, "id": 334605}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956135.1984661, "user_id": 9816}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956122.1236579, "message": "@derks condolences", "group_id": 373, "id": 334829}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956173.268769, "message": "This also appears to be predicated on large-scale deployments. Smaller projects -- ones that don't require redundant hardware -- how do those benefit from this?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334845}, {"user_id": 20763, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955016.160259, "message": "Connection with Continuous Integration?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334484}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955055.4080939, "message": "CD = continuous deploying master", "group_id": 373, "id": 334506}, {"user_id": 4107, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955499.5223179, "message": "@zeeg fyi, CD speaker opened saying, \"about half of my talk is actually about CI because...\" :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334644}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955145.9845531, "message": "We do that sometimes *whistles*", "group_id": 373, "id": 334536}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955154.5518091, "message": "Luckily, Sentry tells us instantly that we've fucked up", "group_id": 373, "id": 334539}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955268.2411649, "message": "If you are interested in CI/CD, look for kachings lean startup presentation(s)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334569}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956028.8839841, "message": "we use a cache, but you're still requiring setuptools support for install_requires", "group_id": 373, "id": 334800}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956062.9535789, "message": "with pip, not setuptools :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334812}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956655.31005, "message": "@bitprophet dude i got tons of ideas (including fabric snippets)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335048}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956811.0214269, "message": "you can really do vagrant with make and some smart path names", "group_id": 373, "id": 335113}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955094.281733, "message": "you more or less need good CI to practice CD well", "group_id": 373, "id": 334514}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299955150.6570759, "user_id": 1376}, {"date_created": 1299955161.2220659, "user_id": 2024}, {"date_created": 1299955478.545722, "user_id": 4748}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955134.1976061, "message": "@zeeg Who needs CI, just use CD and wait for complaints from your userbase! <3", "group_id": 373, "id": 334531}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955145.1924591, "message": "@bitprophet +1", "group_id": 373, "id": 334535}, {"user_id": 20763, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955222.515954, "message": "I doubt CD is an excuse to skip quality control. :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334552}, {"user_id": 4107, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955227.6043329, "message": "@bitprophet as I understand it, that's actually part of most CD use cases", "group_id": 373, "id": 334556}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955254.288413, "message": "@bitprophet they can't complain if the sites down :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334564}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955337.2389779, "message": "We're going to touch on our CD-ish stuff tomorrow during our keynote", "group_id": 373, "id": 334595}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955268.2042429, "message": "projector focus pleasee", "group_id": 373, "id": 334568}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955275.4047461, "message": "They give a pretty good overview of how its super valuable", "group_id": 373, "id": 334572}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955511.6601059, "message": "awesome :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334648}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955952.1252689, "message": "@zeeg or if you have your own ChiShop instance hosting all the packages you need", "group_id": 373, "id": 334776}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955993.8025579, "message": "you dont need that even, just point pip at the directory with the packages", "group_id": 373, "id": 334790}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956146.776783, "message": "e.g. if i pip install foo, and foo requires bar, unless bar is in install_requires its not happening", "group_id": 373, "id": 334841}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956186.6638601, "message": "*foo", "group_id": 373, "id": 334851}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956196.842629, "message": "@joshourisman or you can skip all the BS and use pip requirements.txt", "group_id": 373, "id": 334852}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956207.2855511, "message": "more than python packages? i think you are at the wrong con", "group_id": 373, "id": 334856}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956356.0866151, "message": "who uses mysql anymore?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334908}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955283.9674621, "message": "(im not in the CD talk, so not sure how in-depth it is)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334574}, {"user_id": 20261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955725.2758429, "message": "\"what can be measured can be managed\" drucker", "group_id": 373, "id": 334719}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955997.326736, "message": "tough ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334791}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956071.4715481, "message": "@derks which is why you run your own PyPI so you can be sure that it has the correct version of all your requirements for everything", "group_id": 373, "id": 334814}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956078.465534, "user_id": 1127}, {"date_created": 1299956082.8830659, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956073.1269491, "message": "or you can specifically require ==X.Y version of every dep", "group_id": 373, "id": 334816}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956312.6954501, "message": "@bitprophet not without python interfacing the deployment for me (thanks to your beautiful fabric)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334888}, {"user_id": 4107, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955410.557704, "message": "@bitprophet natch ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334612}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955442.132199, "message": "Disqus", "group_id": 373, "id": 334622}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955526.664511, "message": "@danlevine had to decide between that and meebo's coroutine, was a tough choice :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334652}, {"user_id": 20050, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955957.391206, "message": "you can run your own pypi instance pretty easily", "group_id": 373, "id": 334778}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955967.555917, "message": "then run ur own pypi", "group_id": 373, "id": 334782}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956229.0851071, "message": "I'm speaking strictly IRL", "group_id": 373, "id": 334864}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956249.3107171, "message": "true", "group_id": 373, "id": 334869}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955931.1302831, "message": "@justquick only if its on pypi, and pypi isnt down", "group_id": 373, "id": 334771}, {"user_id": 20261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956111.2285621, "message": "@brondsem dependencies could include non py pieces", "group_id": 373, "id": 334825}, {"user_id": 20261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956570.4087269, "message": "Shell scripts?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335005}, {"user_id": 20261, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955866.2557099, "message": "Robots: great until your coworkers sucumb to conditioned helpless & the bot breaks", "group_id": 373, "id": 334751}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955899.540884, "message": "um, py packages handle requirement well, install_requires in new distutils", "group_id": 373, "id": 334762}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955958.6613801, "message": "keep a local cache of stuff you care about", "group_id": 373, "id": 334779}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956023.6651781, "message": "being that everyone pushing the latest version of their package to pypi", "group_id": 373, "id": 334798}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956046.450495, "message": "you can have a requirements.txt or similar", "group_id": 373, "id": 334807}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956109.918262, "message": "/me is an rpm packager... so i'm biased", "group_id": 373, "id": 334824}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956223.641927, "message": "Hah", "group_id": 373, "id": 334863}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956293.640002, "message": "yeah he just punted on the databases", "group_id": 373, "id": 334881}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958020.472568, "message": "I don't actually understand the difference between BoF and Open Spae", "group_id": 373, "id": 335418}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958045.5624881, "message": "There's a deployment BoF tonight", "group_id": 373, "id": 335428}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956402.9046071, "message": "@justquick are you just trolling? Those aren't really useful questions. Nobody works in an ideal environment. We use heterogenous environments. With suboptimal tools, sometimes.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334936}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956605.2894559, "message": "LD_LIBRARY_PATH", "group_id": 373, "id": 335019}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956682.1972859, "message": "s/wa/way", "group_id": 373, "id": 335053}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958033.8020799, "message": "Also my keyboard is disintegrating", "group_id": 373, "id": 335423}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956176.572696, "message": "@zeeg so you're worried about poorly written setup.py files?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334847}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956202.0139771, "message": "@joshourisman I'm just worried about packages which cant be listed in install_requires", "group_id": 373, "id": 334853}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956506.5792501, "message": "Or my ears just suck :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334966}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956754.78124, "message": "probably related to its rubyness :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335098}, {"user_id": 20967, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956824.8227961, "message": "where?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335118}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957475.7737899, "message": "@dcolish then you're silly. server stack based dev on OS X is just needlessly painful.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335253}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957962.348722, "message": "@dcolish No arguments there, that's one thing I love about source based distros", "group_id": 373, "id": 335395}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955964.7176001, "message": "@zeeg if you can get a cheeseshop up and running.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334781}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956140.3057699, "message": "I'm not clear on how tox can manage a sandbox that includes non-python dependencies.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334838}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956571.9225841, "message": "the tooling doesnt exist to sandbox C libs?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335006}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299955997.377979, "message": "@joshourisman dont make me come back there", "group_id": 373, "id": 334792}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956348.2450161, "user_id": 4748}, {"date_created": 1299956391.2792349, "user_id": 19652}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956316.844677, "message": "@justquick... good luck install MySQL-python via pip/easy_install in python-devel, mysql-devel, gcc-c++ aren't installed", "group_id": 373, "id": 334890}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956334.2130949, "message": "s/in/if/", "group_id": 373, "id": 334899}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956393.378567, "message": "people who aren't NoSQL fanboys.  ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334930}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956658.973882, "message": "@joshourisman That's one wa, of course.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335050}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956771.0357549, "message": "@dcolish that was a big part, and then the virtualbox dependency", "group_id": 373, "id": 335101}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956789.4132161, "message": "(Vagrant)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335107}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956006.055232, "message": "relying on pypi for dependency resolution in production can be risky", "group_id": 373, "id": 334794}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956087.783072, "message": "i don't think i'd use something aside from pip", "group_id": 373, "id": 334821}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956126.995209, "message": "ha", "group_id": 373, "id": 334834}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956180.880353, "message": "in that case, it is on the developer of fo to include bar", "group_id": 373, "id": 334850}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956516.2019839, "message": "if you depend on C libs then you need to sandbox those too", "group_id": 373, "id": 334975}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956134.7323191, "message": "@dcolish well with package distribution you're using what they have, which is setuptools is the only thing that really handles dependancies correctly (i think?)", "group_id": 373, "id": 334836}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956248.7772119, "message": "@justquick so you never interface with anything but Python code? no databases, web servers, etc?", "group_id": 373, "id": 334868}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956377.3544359, "message": "@justquick sad people", "group_id": 373, "id": 334916}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956644.224359, "message": "@joshourisman Vagrant + config management + virtualenv + pip", "group_id": 373, "id": 335039}, {"user_id": 20758, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956180.8567951, "message": "like @brondsem said, deps can (and often include) more than just python packages", "group_id": 373, "id": 334849}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956205.2356341, "message": "well we don't allow packages to be installed from anywhere except our local cache", "group_id": 373, "id": 334855}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956238.3375821, "message": "Nonetheless, he dismissed packages due to python lock-in", "group_id": 373, "id": 334866}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956253.9308929, "message": "but he hasn't addressed that defect in the talk.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334871}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956487.121875, "message": "@offby1 im not really asking any questions", "group_id": 373, "id": 334961}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957843.7465119, "message": "@offby1 Primarily *nix. You have to babysit processes (to take sandobxes in and out), and there's a lot of stuff you can write once and it'll more or less work consistently across Linux and *BSD. Also: upstart/systemd. Windows may work, but it's a bit of a side effect -- I haven't heard of a single user so I'm assuming they don't exist", "group_id": 373, "id": 335355}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956214.886579, "message": ":P", "group_id": 373, "id": 334860}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958012.2651279, "message": "@dcolish Not yet, but there's the open space", "group_id": 373, "id": 335417}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958101.274143, "message": "Huh okay", "group_id": 373, "id": 335441}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958175.024245, "message": "http://us.pycon.org/2011/openspaces/DeploymentHosting/", "group_id": 373, "id": 335452}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956697.8074629, "message": "vagrant looks interesting although", "group_id": 373, "id": 335066}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299957842.687345, "user_id": 1243}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957515.850924, "message": "well i do like the wifi to work on my laptop", "group_id": 373, "id": 335262}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957943.748662, "message": "@offby1 Not for any interesting value of that. I spent an irresponsible amount of time participating in bikeshedding discussions about which thing to use to host it", "group_id": 373, "id": 335387}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957960.0497389, "message": "@offby1 There's some code but it's basically a twisted.web thing for publishing objects over REST", "group_id": 373, "id": 335392}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299959136.4128139, "user_id": 927}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957968.7960241, "message": "@colish Not *yet*", "group_id": 373, "id": 335399}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956412.1686981, "message": "@derks No, those people use Postgres.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334939}, {"user_id": 13340, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956545.5779021, "message": "It seems like a distant dark past.", "group_id": 373, "id": 334992}, {"user_id": 177, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956686.1631, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956677.6985049, "message": "@bitprophet By the end of the sprint! :Db", "group_id": 373, "id": 335051}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957519.2629149, "message": "@dcolish Vagrant makes it very easy to share files from your local hdd to the VM -- so you get the best of both worlds. Edit/manipulate files with your OS X tools, have the server software run on the VM", "group_id": 373, "id": 335264}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956579.902998, "message": "oh the dark ages of having a shell window for each node", "group_id": 373, "id": 335012}, {"user_id": 20967, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956794.4590371, "message": "good delivery. engaging. good anti-patterns (negative suggestions). I was hoping for some less-figurative suggestions (positive suggestions).", "group_id": 373, "id": 335109}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957058.5540049, "message": "i see, vagrant actually builds a vm that you distribute", "group_id": 373, "id": 335161}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957978.3596311, "message": "i'd be down for one", "group_id": 373, "id": 335401}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956616.845386, "user_id": 2024}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956607.672121, "message": "there's the time-proven strategy of making someone else do it", "group_id": 373, "id": 335021}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956780.9149101, "message": "@joshourisman Were you on Ubuntu? somebody else said it was kernel panicking them on Ubuntu", "group_id": 373, "id": 335104}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956785.9273801, "message": "It works fine for me on OS X", "group_id": 373, "id": 335105}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957044.623631, "message": "Cool. I'll try catch you after the day's talks are done.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335153}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957085.6509471, "message": "i'm sticking to my Makefile guns on this one", "group_id": 373, "id": 335173}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957800.9612739, "message": "(re: sandboxing from the prebuild OS X stuff)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335346}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299956648.7216139, "user_id": 2024}, {"date_created": 1299956664.518492, "user_id": 177}], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956618.1691909, "message": "@justquick Somewhat ironically once we get @goosemo's parallel stuff in core, we may well add a \"create tmux/screen pane per server\" feature :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335027}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956642.6495931, "message": "@bitprophet do it!", "group_id": 373, "id": 335038}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956687.43996, "message": "@joshourisman i just use make + tar", "group_id": 373, "id": 335058}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956793.2545631, "message": "that all seems a bit much although", "group_id": 373, "id": 335108}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956803.8425381, "message": "@bitprophet it was os x, apparently virtual box can't easily work with images from an older virtualbox", "group_id": 373, "id": 335111}, {"user_id": 9816, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956818.999444, "message": "yea they update it like every second", "group_id": 373, "id": 335117}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956831.512275, "message": "@bitprophet are you still in the talk?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335121}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956996.353817, "message": "still in room 1", "group_id": 373, "id": 335139}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957694.4463279, "message": "@lvh Do you plan to constrain support to a limited set of target OSs? VMs?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335321}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957736.819, "message": "@bitprophet our entire stack is sandboxed and built for osx and linux", "group_id": 373, "id": 335334}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957761.354115, "message": "we mostly use make and tar to do that", "group_id": 373, "id": 335338}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957920.6929021, "message": "it also lets us apply custom fixes/configurations to the things we build", "group_id": 373, "id": 335378}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958035.0429649, "message": "I think BoF gets a room?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335425}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299956999.338366, "message": "@dcolish", "group_id": 373, "id": 335140}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957014.3610201, "message": "@bitprophet If you're using vagrant, could you spare some time this weekend to show me how to extend the configuration tools for it?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335142}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957022.4903331, "message": "That stuff still feels like black magic to me.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335144}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957072.3448279, "message": "so then what if you develop on osx?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335167}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957833.86235, "message": "I'm sure it works fine for you but I imagine it took a while to get there; I'd rather just use my target production environment for development and use filesharing to get files to my desktop OS", "group_id": 373, "id": 335353}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957977.7130289, "message": "err", "group_id": 373, "id": 335400}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958069.7802491, "message": "(6pm somewhere in the Hanover hall)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335437}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957026.684346, "message": "@offby1 sure", "group_id": 373, "id": 335146}, {"user_id": 4107, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957048.300626, "message": "I just heard about vagrant yesterday, looks neat", "group_id": 373, "id": 335154}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957693.2850511, "message": "@dcolish It's a huge pain in the ass to get language and server software dovetailing with OS X's builtins, though :( Homebrew helps though.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335319}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957789.7324629, "message": "@dcolish so you build everything from source and painstakingly manage paths and so forth?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335342}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957534.753607, "message": "Hello! Currently in a nother talk but thanks a lot for your massive feedback, I will read it later (or come to the open space :))", "group_id": 373, "id": 335266}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957649.8830299, "message": "@bitprophet nothing wrong with using osx for dev", "group_id": 373, "id": 335312}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957677.9938359, "message": "@lvh Great talk, btw; I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on scale (small, in particular) and the system level dependency problem.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335316}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957835.109, "message": "its not that hard to manage paths since they all live under the same root", "group_id": 373, "id": 335354}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957863.736187, "message": "it wasn't hard to do it at all", "group_id": 373, "id": 335360}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957876.7423329, "message": "its very similar to ports", "group_id": 373, "id": 335362}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957892.6225779, "message": "Then you're lucky. Most people I've worked with or spoken to have nothing but pain in that area.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335366}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957966.4256771, "message": "Ah", "group_id": 373, "id": 335398}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957897.812279, "message": "@lvh Is your tool available in pre-production form somewhere?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335367}, {"user_id": 20599, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957960.3447499, "message": "is there a CD BoF planned?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335393}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299957980.1528051, "message": "Funny how the colour of that shed just *really*, **really** matters.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335404}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299960499.6141801, "message": "@zeeg I'm going to be trying to get to TiP early enough to actually sit down, though ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335834}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958061.752219, "message": "Disqus will be there, and love to talk to people about CD/CI/sexy deploys", "group_id": 373, "id": 335433}, {"user_id": 18539, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299958549.870796, "message": "Cool I'll try to be there :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335541}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299959156.298079, "message": "@zeeg opposite TiP?", "group_id": 373, "id": 335636}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299959892.038219, "message": "@acdha yea, very bad timing. I may try to stop by for 30-40 minutes prior to TiP though.", "group_id": 373, "id": 335745}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299960028.2010911, "message": "@joshourisman the index won't solve that for you", "group_id": 373, "id": 335762}, {"user_id": 1127, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299960099.953285, "message": "@acdha TIP starts at 7, so its at least an hour (i'll be at TIP as well though)", "group_id": 373, "id": 335774}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1299960974.05199, "message": "@zeeg I'll stop by earlier - I figure there'll be a mass-migration at some point", "group_id": 373, "id": 335904}, {"user_id": 4748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12641, "date_created": 1300047368.5564671, "message": "Hey, does anyone have a chef recipe that can install python 2.7 and 3.1/3.2?", "group_id": 373, "id": 343373}]