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[{"user_id": 6543, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299257639.7195711, "message": "when is the panel, brandon?  it doesn't appear to be listed on http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/", "group_id": 373, "id": 271156}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299256886.541435, "message": "Next weekend I will moderate the WSGI panel at PyCon 2011!  Final preparations are still being made, but it looks like we will have Mark Ramm, Chris McDonough, Ben Bangert, Alice McGregor, and Ian Bicking on the stage.  While I am scribbling down some questions and topics of my own, I thought I should ask: what do YOU want asked of the WSGI experts round table?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271044}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299257977.565351, "message": "http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/33/ \u2014 it belongs to Percious, but he does not think at this point that he will be able to make PyCon this year.", "group_id": 373, "id": 271216}, {"user_id": 13340, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299264280.0373869, "user_id": 214}, {"date_created": 1299264646.9445319, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1299302306.2345231, "user_id": 1289}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299263677.73844, "message": "@brandon_rhodes if @grahamdumpleton is going to be at PyCon, you should consider inviting him to sit on the panel as he's the author of mod_wsgi.", "group_id": 373, "id": 271766}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299263840.4267499, "message": "What's the future of WSGI? Is the spec finished?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271782}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299263884.793844, "message": "What do the panelists think about the proliferation of WSGI servers?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271794}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299264655.637074, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1299266208.8116159, "user_id": 228}, {"date_created": 1299304135.989011, "user_id": 3680}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299263918.956553, "message": "What about WSGI are people not focusing on/talking about, that the panelists wish they were?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271804}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266274.4189489, "message": "What was the feature of WSGI that nobody thought would be a big deal, that ended up being a big deal?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271976}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266952.3586869, "message": "@brandon_rhodes I'm not fully up-to-date on all the issues, but I know there are some.  Check out the long thread starting here http://mail.python.org/pipermail/web-sig/2011-January/004829.html", "group_id": 373, "id": 272080}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299276984.7492771, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1299309156.369312, "user_id": 2482}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266297.178107, "message": "What's the way forward for async and WSGI?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271980}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299309160.0169871, "user_id": 2482}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266546.6112759, "message": "What can WSGI steal from other frameworks, like Rack for Ruby and Connect for node.js?", "group_id": 373, "id": 272026}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299276993.605303, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1299309149.7956431, "user_id": 2482}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266231.187614, "message": "What was the worst mistake in the WSGI spec, that we're stuck with now?", "group_id": 373, "id": 271974}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299266622.66483, "message": "GREAT questions, Eric!  Re: async \u2014 what problems does WSGI present for async? I thought the fact that the environ had no necessarily global data meant that WSGI could be done async pretty easily.", "group_id": 373, "id": 272040}, {"user_id": 1072, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299273655.0100629, "message": "Wow, Eric totally nailed it with these questions!  Nice job!", "group_id": 373, "id": 272912}, {"user_id": 18843, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299280519.2462449, "message": "With PEP 3333 finished, what are your thoughts towards porting to Python 3 now?", "group_id": 373, "id": 273849}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290486.2041759, "message": "You mean \"too *low* level\", I assume?  And does either Werkzeug or Webob work in Python 3 yet, or does the first one there have the chance to become the preferred standard?", "group_id": 373, "id": 274689}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299289769.1084421, "message": "I had suggested prior to this post to Brandon who I would like to see on the panel. At the time I didn't think of Mark. Revising my list I would like to see Mark Ramm, Chris McDonough, Jacob Kaplan Moss, Armin Ronacher and Phillip J Eby. Other possibles were Ian Bicking and Robert Brewer.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274668}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299289893.1123531, "message": "Reason for this selection was gives better cross section across all of the major Python web frameworks as well as key people who have been involved in pushing changes to WSGI specification over the years and have put effort into working on WSGI on Python 3.0.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274670}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290966.422775, "message": "Agreed; I was just asking if you, personally, thought it would be an opportunity \u2014 while a team or person was in there doing a Python 3 rewrite anyway \u2014 for differences to be ironed out and produce something both camps would like.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274710}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290044.5961449, "message": "My question though is who is the audience for the panel and what are they going to want to hear about. The async question has been thrashed to death many times on the WEB-SIG and isn't something general populace would care about. Don't want to see panel get side tracked on that.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274673}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290116.600812, "message": "I think some positive stance/comment on acceptance of PEP 3333 and that major frameworks do intend to use that as base when going to Python 3.0.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274676}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290178.253593, "message": "Next thing would be feedback from the likes of Armin and Robert (who have worked on this) as to what the challenges will be on technical level as far as moving WSGI apps to Python 3.0.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274677}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299291596.1043561, "user_id": 1736}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290290.6347439, "message": "As to future WSGI, that has in part been done to death to. Personally I think if that is going to happen it can only be incremental and not revolutionary. On a separate thread though, would be useful to get discussion going on the idea of a common request/response toolkit that everyone (most) would use. The two choices here are obviously Paste and Werkzeug.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274679}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290322.229739, "message": "You are imagining a Paste vs Werkzeug smackdown? :-)", "group_id": 373, "id": 274680}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290415.5464201, "message": "@brandon_rhodes Not expecting a Paste vs Werkzeug smack down. It is a common complaint that WSGI itself is too level though, so the idea of standarised request/response components is something people want to hear about and peoples ideas on whether that could ever work.Ie., NIH syndrome.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274685}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290599.8842809, "message": "As for hosting mechanisms, yes there are a lot and there will always be. Almost as popular a project as writing web frameworks these days. The problem with the hosting mechanisms is they tend to be implemented in isolation based on what authors think is required. This is because users are generally pathetic when it comes to giving feedback on what they want to see. So, feedback on what they would like to see in WSGI hosting mechanisms would be good.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274704}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290714.7866819, "message": "On the latter point of what is needed in WSGI hosting mechanisms, if we could have lots of panel members, would be good to have representatives from the likes of gondor.io, epi.io and djangozoom. Maybe we need a revolving set of groups of panel members pre organised to address certain issues. Ie., for this later question, get people from those new hosting services to answer just that.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274705}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299290880.3681369, "message": "@brandon_rhodes Just because one of Werkzeug or Paste gets there first doesn't mean the other camp will switch. Nor does it mean that Django, CherryPy or web2py would change to using them as they would want to keep going the way they do now.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274709}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299292092.2841401, "message": "Isn't the suggested list (at the top) like 4 people from the pylons / pyramid project? Not entirely representative of the breadth of wsgi (which is ultimately its strength).", "group_id": 373, "id": 274728}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299292147.4239459, "message": "So my question would be, if I'm doing web development primarily with django why should I care about wsgi?", "group_id": 373, "id": 274730}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299291090.9771399, "message": "@brandon_rhodes Right now I see little chance of standardisation on common request/response components happening across the board. Seems one will always have more or less the current split for such generics, plus those frameworks who do their own thing.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274713}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299291985.8841169, "message": "Given that Armin and Graham will both be at PyCon it would seem odd not have them on the panel. Having Jacob too would be fun (and highly relevant - django and wsgi is a big topic in itself).", "group_id": 373, "id": 274726}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299292096.5573561, "message": ":-)", "group_id": 373, "id": 274729}, {"user_id": 6543, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299292361.6374321, "message": "i'm happy to give up my seat on that panel to graham or armin, i didn't even remember being asked to do it until brandon mentioned it here", "group_id": 373, "id": 274738}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299293121.7928979, "message": "@voidspace I am not too fussed if not on panel. Am used to be ignored when pushing my ideas about WSGI stuff plus I am not actually do web framework/application development. I know Armin has said he would like the chance to be on the panel.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274760}, {"user_id": 18843, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299301511.7224741, "user_id": 214}, {"date_created": 1299302157.294946, "user_id": 1289}, {"date_created": 1299302603.578737, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1299304623.804389, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1299309217.310535, "user_id": 2482}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299293285.0574911, "message": "I would definitely like to see Armin on the panel.", "group_id": 373, "id": 274769}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299302617.6306369, "message": "@palendae +1", "group_id": 373, "id": 275181}, {"user_id": 6559, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299324457.5924449, "message": "If you want me on that panel, I would happily take part of it :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 276003}, {"user_id": 7365, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299346409.571413, "message": "+1 for Armin", "group_id": 373, "id": 276832}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299851524.8465779, "user_id": 18843}], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299353899.068608, "message": "+1 for @mitsuhiko and @GrahamDumpleton", "group_id": 373, "id": 277441}, {"user_id": 6543, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299357394.577759, "message": "so s/me/armin for the panel as far as i can tell.. the panel will need to be expanded or someone else will need to offer their seat up for graham to be involved", "group_id": 373, "id": 277601}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10824, "date_created": 1299511255.3266511, "message": "Great idea! @mitsuhiko, consider yourself on the panel. @chrismcdonough, thanks for backing out to make more room \u2014 the stage could easily become too crowded!", "group_id": 373, "id": 288214}]