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[{"user_id": 18972, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881300.2296219, "message": "yes pypy still has a GIL today", "group_id": 373, "id": 327886}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881161.941031, "message": "haha", "group_id": 373, "id": 327844}, {"user_id": 229, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881209.8735919, "user_id": 233}, {"date_created": 1299881282.5187869, "user_id": 210}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881199.298862, "message": "Oh man, someone jitted my tomato.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327863}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881237.2672579, "message": "Doesn't it actually have several GC implementations?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327872}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881108.6450429, "message": "Speed...", "group_id": 373, "id": 327833}, {"user_id": 20406, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881217.0719211, "message": "@dash so pypy has its own GC implementation?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327866}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880688.4789159, "message": "aha, there's the 3.3 number.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327762}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299880609.54879, "user_id": 233}, {"date_created": 1299880614.4618549, "user_id": 5699}, {"date_created": 1299880641.300421, "user_id": 1243}, {"date_created": 1299880691.5584879, "user_id": 1760}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880531.0795989, "message": "I'm excited for this talk", "group_id": 373, "id": 327717}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881171.6423199, "message": "real GC also helps", "group_id": 373, "id": 327849}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881200.904052, "message": "yes", "group_id": 373, "id": 327864}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881565.9403541, "message": "@daniellindsley I dig your avatar", "group_id": 373, "id": 327957}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881818.322125, "message": "Last I saw, pip didn't work on PyPy (https://bitbucket.org/ianb/pip/issue/136/pip-doesnt-work-in-pypy)", "group_id": 373, "id": 328024}, {"user_id": 1243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880741.865751, "message": "I hope they address how they decide how much startup-slowdown is acceptable for a given speedup over long-running processes.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327780}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881595.395612, "message": "more Gaynor.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327968}, {"user_id": 20720, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880701.9892571, "message": "diddo", "group_id": 373, "id": 327768}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881855.3287539, "message": "wait... last comment says it should \"just work\"", "group_id": 373, "id": 328036}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880694.634526, "message": "Never tried!", "group_id": 373, "id": 327764}, {"user_id": 229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880763.277102, "message": "Man, only one star button", "group_id": 373, "id": 327785}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881669.1548431, "user_id": 1243}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881660.265928, "message": "The \"inside Ian Bicking's brain\" one", "group_id": 373, "id": 327985}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881300.6092551, "message": "it's a python implementation", "group_id": 373, "id": 327887}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881274.0956261, "user_id": 18972}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880766.482666, "message": "And to know that the turbo button just made the computer slower.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327787}, {"user_id": 229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880544.72947, "message": "Me too", "group_id": 373, "id": 327726}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881507.977206, "message": "python?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327943}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880690.9890659, "message": "I am anxious to try deploying my applications in PyPy.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327763}, {"user_id": 233, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299880756.099988, "user_id": 1243}, {"date_created": 1299880757.0689969, "user_id": 229}, {"date_created": 1299880771.0675631, "user_id": 1169}, {"date_created": 1299880804.284205, "user_id": 216}, {"date_created": 1299881159.9792261, "user_id": 927}, {"date_created": 1299881189.2047729, "user_id": 20742}, {"date_created": 1299881838.3112371, "user_id": 18843}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880747.403065, "message": "Obviously Alex is too young to have seen a computer with a Turbo button.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327782}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880942.9435239, "message": "hey, dynamic language from the 80s are nearly as cool as dynamic languages from the 90s", "group_id": 373, "id": 327819}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880594.731863, "message": "Def. I'm eager to hear about a py impl that's fast", "group_id": 373, "id": 327741}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880611.660274, "message": "*faster*", "group_id": 373, "id": 327746}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880672.5097251, "message": "\"As you can see, we range from about 1.5x slower, to 20x faster\"", "group_id": 373, "id": 327759}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881304.7364891, "message": "pypy yourprogram.py", "group_id": 373, "id": 327889}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881393.003963, "message": ":)", "group_id": 373, "id": 327918}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881763.3790939, "message": "just download the source, and pypy setup.py install", "group_id": 373, "id": 328011}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299880719.7191229, "user_id": 14874}, {"date_created": 1299880744.432713, "user_id": 1243}, {"date_created": 1299880753.621242, "user_id": 560}, {"date_created": 1299880795.5711219, "user_id": 216}, {"date_created": 1299881230.196058, "user_id": 210}, {"date_created": 1299881256.318208, "user_id": 18972}, {"date_created": 1299881291.1610849, "user_id": 19655}, {"date_created": 1299881836.254041, "user_id": 18843}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880710.940913, "message": "\"You can't make a computer do something faster, you can just make it do less\"", "group_id": 373, "id": 327771}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881147.15294, "message": "tomato seeds?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327840}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881221.3016219, "message": "yes.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327868}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881411.0457549, "message": "sure", "group_id": 373, "id": 327923}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881179.3454909, "user_id": 20406}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881107.3532791, "message": "Is it fair to say jitting is the tomato way pypy gets it's seed?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327832}, {"user_id": 13604, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881513.618468, "message": "not sure I'm grokking this too well", "group_id": 373, "id": 327944}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299880690.6634929, "user_id": 233}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880620.822242, "message": "I'm excited for Alex Gaynor", "group_id": 373, "id": 327749}, {"user_id": 14874, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880768.5480671, "message": "@schmichael omg, i haven't thought about that in a long time. Totally forgot about it.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327788}, {"user_id": 233, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299880866.4177201, "user_id": 5699}, {"date_created": 1299880866.4553919, "user_id": 1243}, {"date_created": 1299880885.65344, "user_id": 1169}, {"date_created": 1299880893.557864, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1299880899.201231, "user_id": 229}, {"date_created": 1299881080.8035979, "user_id": 20406}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299880849.5627849, "message": "\"We have cool tools.\" Types \"emacs\" #wat", "group_id": 373, "id": 327803}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881097.6862471, "message": "Did someone just turn Maciej's braniac knob to eleven?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327831}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881143.996995, "message": "The main... Damn iPad!", "group_id": 373, "id": 327839}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881164.2102089, "message": "JIT is a big part of it", "group_id": 373, "id": 327846}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881256.615381, "message": "Like a way to utilize some open source GCs?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327877}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881261.8653851, "message": "(boehm I remember)", "group_id": 373, "id": 327878}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881336.035264, "message": "if the GIL doesn't bother Guido, it doesn't bother me.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327899}, {"user_id": 210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881338.3216131, "message": "Neat technique on the boxing.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327900}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881362.1977961, "message": "@dash how can I use something like pip or easy_install with it?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327907}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881379.8450179, "message": "I don't know anything about pip", "group_id": 373, "id": 327912}, {"user_id": 210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881529.831852, "message": "@JoshMock pip & easy_install query the same service to install (PyPI).", "group_id": 373, "id": 327946}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881592.273303, "message": "I was going to say the same thing.  Pip actually is more like easy_install with smarter defaults", "group_id": 373, "id": 327966}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881743.6776819, "message": "OK", "group_id": 373, "id": 328003}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881887.560535, "message": "Yeah, I just disabled that and it works", "group_id": 373, "id": 328054}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881982.4175899, "message": "There we go...", "group_id": 373, "id": 328075}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881195.3925359, "message": "PyPy still have a GIL?", "group_id": 373, "id": 327861}, {"user_id": 10512, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881434.7022569, "message": "Just the other day I had to use easy_install. couldn't find it on pip or Homebrew. Forget what it was...", "group_id": 373, "id": 327929}, {"user_id": 10512, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881618.9636631, "message": "@daniellindsley Huh. Didn't know that. Still fairly new to Python, especially pip/virtualenv.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327975}, {"user_id": 20634, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881913.36903, "message": "It just tries to import it and catches the exception. (I just happened to be looking at this yesterday, oddly.)", "group_id": 373, "id": 328059}, {"user_id": 561, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882358.497756, "message": "Thanks!", "group_id": 373, "id": 328134}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881256.5046189, "message": "pypy tends to have more than one of a lot of things ;)", "group_id": 373, "id": 327876}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881289.8839109, "message": "One thing it *doesn't* seem to have is documentation on how to run my existing Python projects on top of it...", "group_id": 373, "id": 327882}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881451.748136, "user_id": 213}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881387.3224981, "message": "i hope nobody uses easy_install anymore :)", "group_id": 373, "id": 327916}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881562.5588491, "message": "Sounds like sys._getframe is a source of difficulties", "group_id": 373, "id": 327955}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881773.808794, "message": "now, I have a package I wanted to try that depends on simplejson", "group_id": 373, "id": 328015}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881874.380079, "message": "Do the pypy gc's pause similar to what's seen in the jvm?", "group_id": 373, "id": 328048}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881400.083302, "message": "well, I have dependencies to install", "group_id": 373, "id": 327921}, {"user_id": 210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881683.049047, "message": "@JoshMock No worries. Just saying. http://pypi.python.org", "group_id": 373, "id": 327991}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881365.2427809, "message": "(for example)", "group_id": 373, "id": 327908}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881772.5237839, "message": "done and done", "group_id": 373, "id": 328014}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299881794.059346, "user_id": 1169}, {"date_created": 1299881812.4711311, "user_id": 1243}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881780.2184081, "message": "Does PyPy work with mod_wsgi?", "group_id": 373, "id": 328017}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881786.81826, "message": "which doesn't seem to work with pypy, since it has a C speedups module", "group_id": 373, "id": 328019}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882325.1165769, "message": "Awesome question", "group_id": 373, "id": 328126}, {"user_id": 1243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882695.807611, "message": "Lost: an iPod touch", "group_id": 373, "id": 328180}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881756.3541811, "message": "so, it turns out pip/setuptools are pretty straightforward to install on pypy", "group_id": 373, "id": 328005}, {"user_id": 19880, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881649.3709481, "message": "When the videos come out, look at the one Carl... JM... forget last name.", "group_id": 373, "id": 327980}, {"user_id": 20406, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881857.9587679, "message": "is pypy's GC written in Python? if so, does it jit itself?", "group_id": 373, "id": 328039}, {"user_id": 210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881717.6409471, "message": "@JoeTennies Carl Meyer", "group_id": 373, "id": 327996}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882355.711005, "message": "@j2d2 Brett Cannon", "group_id": 373, "id": 328133}, {"user_id": 20634, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881871.998276, "message": "@cleverdevil The C speedups module is optional. Maybe it won't actually be a speedup compared to pypy running the pure-python version of simplejson :-)", "group_id": 373, "id": 328047}, {"user_id": 5699, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299881878.408401, "message": "Ah, figured that out too...", "group_id": 373, "id": 328051}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882015.143851, "message": "I'm curious how well the work done by cloudera could apply to pypy", "group_id": 373, "id": 328079}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882066.324115, "message": "Reference: http://www.cloudera.com/blog/2011/02/avoiding-full-gcs-in-hbase-with-memstore-local-allocation-buffers-part-1/", "group_id": 373, "id": 328088}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299882344.153604, "user_id": 561}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882339.0753551, "message": "Who's masters thesis did Alex cite?", "group_id": 373, "id": 328130}, {"user_id": 1169, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882354.3881011, "message": "Brett Cannon's", "group_id": 373, "id": 328132}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882745.847785, "message": "http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bac/thesis.pdf I think that's it. Localized the inference of atomic types", "group_id": 373, "id": 328189}, {"user_id": 560, "stars": [], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299882753.8676419, "message": "Localized *type*", "group_id": 373, "id": 328190}, {"user_id": 233, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299883768.77159, "user_id": 560}], "topic_id": 12480, "date_created": 1299883598.0105059, "message": "Brett's Canon", "group_id": 373, "id": 328323}]