convore.json/groups/python/for-a-serious-web-project-about-to-start-development-would-you-chose-python-3x-or-2x/messages.json

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Most of the third party libraries (most notably Django and a few other web frameworks, if you're planning on using one of them) aren't available for 3.x yet.", "group_id": 292, "id": 256226}, {"user_id": 6671, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299133944.430135, "user_id": 11405}, {"date_created": 1299135818.240885, "user_id": 18129}, {"date_created": 1299137349.8020511, "user_id": 12791}, {"date_created": 1299198858.3314281, "user_id": 14578}], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299129238.583226, "message": "2.x for sure.  Most of what makes Python interesting is the library ecosystem, and it's just not there yet.  For example, http://python3wos.appspot.com/ is supposed to be \"shaming\" the projects that haven't ported yet, but the gigantic wall of red there really just demonstrates that it's still way early days for 3.x.", "group_id": 292, "id": 258011}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299134639.2012489, "user_id": 6671}, {"date_created": 1299135544.724072, "user_id": 15046}, {"date_created": 1299139565.7777281, "user_id": 115}, {"date_created": 1299170785.7813029, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299134010.6073141, "message": "The right answer is always \"whatever the current Ubuntu LTS release has\" :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 258569}, {"user_id": 11405, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299133938.2207601, "message": "2.7 for sure..", "group_id": 292, "id": 258565}, {"user_id": 6671, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299136107.734349, "message": "@coderanger Good thought, but it isn't really an answer - lucid has 2.6 *and* 3.1 :).", "group_id": 292, "id": 258702}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299136271.401473, "message": "@glyph Heh, true, but as others have said 3.x isn't ready due to a lack of libraries. I was referring to 2.6 vs 2.7.", "group_id": 292, "id": 258713}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299156512.604893, "message": "Sphinx and docutils also have Python 3 versions.", "group_id": 292, "id": 259894}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299157867.007045, "message": "2.6 or 2.7+ but if you want your stuff in the google cloud, the choice has been made for you and you get to use python2.5", "group_id": 292, "id": 260022}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299156455.584446, "message": "python3wos is still woefully incorrect. From a casual scan packages listed as not supporting Python 3 that *do* have Python 3 versions or support include: configobj, pip, numpy and virtualenv. A substantial chunk of the rest are zope / django packages which won't be ported until their major dependency (Zope and Django) are ported - giving a very distorted view of the Python landscape.", "group_id": 292, "id": 259884}, {"user_id": 214, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299175242.2958469, "message": "@voidspace Pip had some Python 3 work done last GSoC, but it never got there and wasn't merged. There isn't a working pip on python 3 AFAIK.", "group_id": 292, "id": 261874}, {"user_id": 242, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299179797.5388391, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299179730.5839851, "message": "So, one answer I haven't seen here is that it doesn't really matter.  Pick one, try it.  If you're interested in Python 3.x try it.  If it's a \"serious web project\" you're probably going to rewrite it several times anyway.", "group_id": 292, "id": 262608}, {"user_id": 6543, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299261450.602222, "message": "I fear that the \"zope packages which won't be ported until their major dependency...\" thing is not really right.  Most Zope packages have dependencies on very few other zope things, and those things (zope.interface, zope.component) will already run on Python 3.  It's due to a lack of a specific motivation that things that depend on these core components are not yet ported.", "group_id": 292, "id": 271610}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299345868.547235, "message": "Well sure, but how many of those (other than zope.interface) are really used widely outside of zope and the zope community...", "group_id": 292, "id": 276803}, {"user_id": 3617, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299360721.2173469, "message": "@voidspace From what I've seen, a rapidly growing number.", "group_id": 292, "id": 277742}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299362107.2105639, "message": "Right. I've not seen that. (We're busy ripping them out in a project I'm on, but there you go...)", "group_id": 292, "id": 277771}, {"user_id": 18972, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299476819.149833, "user_id": 2376}], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299382699.4430571, "message": "If you are serious about your project and don't want any hurdles slowing you down: 2.7. If you are serious about long term Python use and willing to compromise on available third party code in the short term: 3.2. When your seriousness turns into something that needs to scale up you'll head to C/C++ for your hot spots regardless of Python version or VM.", "group_id": 292, "id": 278456}, {"user_id": 19235, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299471630.89307, "message": "Python 2.x for sure!!! Just look at this - http://python3wos.appspot.com/ :(", "group_id": 292, "id": 285052}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299473102.5310929, "message": "@aditgupta you need to use the more-accurate http://py3ksupport.appspot.com/ :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 285522}, {"user_id": 2376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299476983.435636, "message": "2.7 for me. No 3.x cuz the library ecosystem is just not there yet.", "group_id": 292, "id": 285795}, {"user_id": 15988, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299486365.8776951, "message": "I agree wholeheartedly. We isolate the project environment as much as possible by building a private Python installation. This way, we can upgrade/downgrade should the need arises without having to get stuck in OS package dependency hell.", "group_id": 292, "id": 286270}, {"user_id": 3354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299509369.574008, "message": "Bear in mind that the extended adoption period for Python 3 was anticipated, hence the recent release of 2.7 with a support lifetime of \"at least five years\".", "group_id": 292, "id": 287976}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299511682.9654031, "message": "python 2.5 because that's all google provides for appengine at this time.", "group_id": 292, "id": 288253}, {"user_id": 13501, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10163, "date_created": 1299512674.835294, "message": "Just code in 2.X and try to make your code 3.X compatible", "group_id": 292, "id": 288379}]