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[{"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303265910.5398281, "message": "(2) It's not at all clear from the diagram that pip is an *existing* tool that works now, and that relies on setuptools and distribute.", "group_id": 292, "id": 749930}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303265877.018575, "message": "(1) It's not clear if pip's position in the top row is merely because of its role as a package installer/uninstaller, or because it is a wrapper around setuptools/distribute.", "group_id": 292, "id": 749917}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303265626.9021521, "message": "I just saw the Hitchhiker's Guide to Packaging on the python.org site today, and was perusing it when I saw this graphic showing the past, current, and future of Python packaging.", "group_id": 292, "id": 749840}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303674965.3688331, "user_id": 4747}], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303265978.4326639, "message": "(3) While setuptools and distribute are headed for the trash bin, the same is not show for the distutils package, despite the fact that the text below clearly indicates that distutils will be removed from the standard lib.", "group_id": 292, "id": 749949}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303265735.2690101, "message": "I feel that this graphic is somewhat misleading or confusing, for several reasons.", "group_id": 292, "id": 749883}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303266153.3538411, "message": "Shoot, forgot to post the link: http://guide.python-distribute.org/introduction.html#current-state-of-packaging", "group_id": 292, "id": 750021}, {"user_id": 8649, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303266127.4532421, "message": "And as someone who is moderately familiar with the things mentioned in the diagram and its accompanying text, it's not clear to me whether pip is going to be rebased on distutils2 and all of setuptools's download/install functionality will be reimplemented, or if it will perhaps just cannibalize the modules and functions it needs.  Both of these prospects seem non-trivial to me.", "group_id": 292, "id": 750006}, {"user_id": 5981, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303512392.029654, "message": "Huh. I had no idea setuptools was such a taboo. I've been using it and honestly hadn't found a reason not to.", "group_id": 292, "id": 785849}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303549674.7000389, "message": "@theomn if it works for you that's fine - but for others there's situations where it doesn't (eg Python 3) and there's bugs that have been fixed in distribute.", "group_id": 292, "id": 788222}, {"user_id": 6125, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303557996.9021571, "message": "The future will be \"packaging\" in the stdlib starting with Python 3.3 and back ported as distutils2 for older versions of Python. Pip will become a wrapper around distutils2/packaging offer additional features such as installing from a mercurial checkout. The main reason for the changes can be found by reviewing both PEP 390: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0390/ and PEP 376: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0376/. Work is activity taking place as we prepare for a merge to the upstream Python 3.3 repo hosted at hg.python.org: https://bitbucket.org/tarek/cpython/changesets", "group_id": 292, "id": 788501}, {"user_id": 15015, "stars": [], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303647909.5264349, "message": "Seriously, the \"future\" would be a whole lot better if there was just one box called \"standard library\".", "group_id": 292, "id": 794392}, {"user_id": 1822, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303662588.7390699, "user_id": 222}, {"date_created": 1303672089.4066629, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1303694986.1592591, "user_id": 9229}, {"date_created": 1303713279.768244, "user_id": 11592}, {"date_created": 1303738470.8472359, "user_id": 12817}, {"date_created": 1303748140.9922359, "user_id": 5673}, {"date_created": 1303752716.14238, "user_id": 22109}], "topic_id": 20463, "date_created": 1303654053.3950191, "message": "I don't understand why \"packaging\" can't be backported to 2.x as \"packaging\" instead of \"distutils2\"?", "group_id": 292, "id": 794896}]