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[{"user_id": 11647, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298526249.523488, "user_id": 8539}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298447685.2071171, "message": "What do you people use for weekend long Python projects?", "group_id": 292, "id": 186193}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298448073.457763, "user_id": 5582}, {"date_created": 1298448090.2713361, "user_id": 4893}, {"date_created": 1298471817.7236071, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1298493604.4228711, "user_id": 6396}, {"date_created": 1298552886.2969301, "user_id": 4141}, {"date_created": 1300344206.7721231, "user_id": 6469}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298447702.790653, "message": "Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 186195}, {"user_id": 15098, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298448088.309067, "message": "minimal: flask; weekend project: django, appengine or flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 186202}, {"user_id": 4944, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298449641.8883319, "message": "juno works very good https://github.com/breily/juno but it looks like is not being maintained", "group_id": 292, "id": 186235}, {"user_id": 3997, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298449419.667115, "message": "flask, flask, flask, web2py, and flask.", "group_id": 292, "id": 186227}, {"user_id": 2500, "stars": [{"date_created": 1305839822.801481, "user_id": 20326}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298450141.5379069, "message": "+1 for flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 186242}, {"user_id": 4783, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298450757.1223941, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298450632.4465179, "message": "Was previously using pylons for everything, but then switched to flask. Will never look for something else for some time.", "group_id": 292, "id": 186253}, {"user_id": 6815, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298450985.1102769, "message": "bottle mostly, but these days, flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 186264}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298482738.6265111, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1298503339.4697199, "user_id": 3751}, {"date_created": 1305770375.595072, "user_id": 38}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298451713.1010089, "message": "I also gotta give credit to straight up WSGI applications for some instances when you want something super simple.", "group_id": 292, "id": 186298}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298451947.3712549, "message": "But you really have to use it sparingly, because using pure WSGI for something big is painful.", "group_id": 292, "id": 186310}, {"user_id": 12242, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298452058.0811019, "message": "+1 for Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 186316}, {"user_id": 719, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298466658.972775, "user_id": 7179}, {"date_created": 1298479986.3361521, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298455946.650605, "message": "Flask. Although, if you want to check out a reasonably well supported alternative I'd sneak in a vote for AppEngine (it's different, but also fairly minimalist.)", "group_id": 292, "id": 186529}, {"user_id": 13351, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298457436.613189, "message": "Flask is more popular choice, but you'll need to approve its paradigm. For me bottle.py was more easier, and my research for minimal web-framework i've started with https://github.com/toastdriven/itty", "group_id": 292, "id": 186620}, {"user_id": 11647, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298457350.4431939, "message": "@micrypt That's true, Google's webapp Framework seems like a good choice for this kind of stuff. (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/tools/webapp/)", "group_id": 292, "id": 186612}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298465346.910078, "message": "webob makes straight wsgi less painful. http://blog.ianbicking.org/2010/03/12/a-webob-app-example/ I use pyramid for everything", "group_id": 292, "id": 187293}, {"user_id": 7179, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298466774.6108229, "message": "For small, easy to deploy and fast projects I prefer App Engine. But if I need an small project but with possible maintenance in the future (let's say add some extra non-massive functionality) I use Flask. And of course for big projects, Django is the choice.", "group_id": 292, "id": 187407}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298466366.2172561, "message": "I use tornado. I hate mucking w/ mod_whatever and nginx/cherokee/apache/lighttpd/whatever. I've never liked anything about wsgi.", "group_id": 292, "id": 187384}, {"user_id": 4783, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298468307.397537, "user_id": 7179}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298467896.37185, "message": "For app engine projects, try tipfy (http://www.tipfy.org/) which has some extra features and will make your life easier.", "group_id": 292, "id": 187455}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298471787.1141169, "message": "Flask. I rarely use anything else.", "group_id": 292, "id": 187787}, {"user_id": 6704, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298471289.679208, "message": "For people who can stand Django-like template languages, Flask is the popular choice. For those of us who want templates more like Mako out-of-the-box, Bottle works great, and is the basis for most of my small projects. And WebOb is absolutely incredible if you want to do anything with WSGI (also it's great for testing your web apps, since most web frameworks provide a WSGI callable that lets you invoke your app without having to actually connect to it over a socket).", "group_id": 292, "id": 187727}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300683492.584986, "user_id": 20721}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298471650.0250559, "message": "Flask documentation is also very good.", "group_id": 292, "id": 187768}, {"user_id": 13467, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298475151.350456, "user_id": 214}, {"date_created": 1298482791.6119871, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1298489539.819653, "user_id": 1081}, {"date_created": 1298493635.077194, "user_id": 6396}, {"date_created": 1298503312.714854, "user_id": 3751}, {"date_created": 1298529691.673388, "user_id": 11592}, {"date_created": 1298551371.0074461, "user_id": 12274}, {"date_created": 1310549068.7596209, "user_id": 1772}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298474854.3947451, "message": "Personally, I like Django for most everything these days. The first time I start needing to reinvent the wheel on models & form validation, I despair and go play a game of Starcraft. The same applies for me with node.js: Tired of being sucked into yak shaving on basics when I want to play with a higher level idea for awhile.", "group_id": 292, "id": 188017}, {"user_id": 14356, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298484184.372884, "user_id": 141}, {"date_created": 1305770639.437849, "user_id": 22569}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298482960.4395621, "message": "Should I wear asbestos before I say this? I like web2py. I can go from trivial app on sqlite to an enterprise app on pick your choice of (Oracle, MySQL,  Postgres) seamlessly and then even push it up to GAE (not seamlessly). But for speed I use Tornado. I have run both behind Nginx, which in addition to handling multiple back ends server static files.", "group_id": 292, "id": 189037}, {"user_id": 14356, "stars": [{"date_created": 1305770643.1053989, "user_id": 22569}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298483251.60536, "message": "s/server/servesOh and web2py has great docs! No templating language to learn and almost SQLlike db access. I'll get off the soapbox now.  :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 189096}, {"user_id": 14356, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298483310.5941119, "message": "We need a good way to edit posts! aaah! Or at least preview them.", "group_id": 292, "id": 189104}, {"user_id": 4893, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298595982.5986891, "user_id": 14356}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298497436.605772, "message": "Since what you write is what you get, there already is a preview ;-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 191492}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298497360.27666, "message": "@javisantana I tried maintaining a fork for a while, but there is simply no reason to use it over flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 191477}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298529020.2009721, "message": "@cnu Not yet, sorry", "group_id": 292, "id": 195785}, {"user_id": 4783, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298529003.5960491, "message": "@ericflo is there a way to show to which msg someone replied to? kinda hard to follow threads.", "group_id": 292, "id": 195783}, {"user_id": 844, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298589489.197494, "message": "and for something completely different (static site framework) http://www.blogofile.com/", "group_id": 292, "id": 203573}, {"user_id": 16058, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298667022.6791179, "message": "Bottle or Flask, depending on the size of app", "group_id": 292, "id": 211185}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743778.127073, "message": "web.py  http://webpy.org/", "group_id": 292, "id": 215117}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743188.143779, "message": "Wish there would be some kind CMS for Python. So annoying I have to use Asp.Net for my day job when I love Python.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215060}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743320.985126, "message": "There's plenty. Django-CMS, Plone, more info here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/184742/what-is-a-good-cms-written-in-python-and-not-plone", "group_id": 292, "id": 215071}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743685.1322041, "message": "Looks already to complex for my clients. :(", "group_id": 292, "id": 215105}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743594.7687349, "message": "Trying a Django-CMS demo lets see how it goes. :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 215101}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743806.566318, "message": "django-cms is a little bit of a pain to setup (compared to something like drupal) but once setup, it's fairly decent. I prefer it over drupal for those kind of sites at the moment.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215123}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743813.562861, "message": "I like the template system in web.py better than anything Jinja\\Django like", "group_id": 292, "id": 215126}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298743990.590301, "message": "@davidhollander why?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215133}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744199.2720449, "message": "@davidhollander I'm confused. you said you like the template system in web.py better than jinja/django. I'm wondering what makes web.py's template system better in your mind just out of curiosity", "group_id": 292, "id": 215152}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744216.523875, "message": "so what does \"both\" refer to?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215154}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744603.586225, "message": "@davidhollander hah I was actually doing that. the syntax kind of reminds me of mako at first glance.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215181}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744008.3022511, "message": "I feel its as close to writing webapps in Python you can get, as oppossed to writing webapps in a domain specific schema built on top of python", "group_id": 292, "id": 215137}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744379.3109879, "message": "@tbatterii It refers to the two possible interpretations of the sentence starting with \"I feel\". The act of using Web.py as a whole is as close to writing in Python than other frameworks. And the act of using Web.py templates, specifically, is also closer to writing Python than any other template system.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215165}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744095.214859, "message": "@davidhollander you are referring to the template system ?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215144}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744559.7115619, "message": "@davidhollander ok i see what you are saying now. thanks for clarifying.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215177}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744106.9312141, "message": "both in general as well as the template system", "group_id": 292, "id": 215145}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744195.537148, "message": "templates act similar to regular python functions that you can pass variables into to render and use regular pythonic control structures instead of template blocks that just reinvent python", "group_id": 292, "id": 215150}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744435.6753111, "message": "@tbatterii I would just copy paste an example, but since the template system is like Python, the white space is signficant", "group_id": 292, "id": 215168}, {"user_id": 12416, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298744566.021647, "message": "http://webpy.org/docs/0.3/templetor check out the control structures section", "group_id": 292, "id": 215178}, {"user_id": 6543, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1298746791.7907431, "message": "i'd use whichever smallish python web framework that has the marketing you believe the most.. at heart they are all the same.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215258}, {"user_id": 20005, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1300199790.058327, "message": "Flask seems to be the more stablished and viable... join the Flask group here on Convore!", "group_id": 292, "id": 356587}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300257636.3984971, "user_id": 11972}, {"date_created": 1300387496.1207161, "user_id": 1736}, {"date_created": 1300753976.0604091, "user_id": 3368}, {"date_created": 1309612709.419302, "user_id": 18985}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1300212668.0949249, "message": "Flask... Because Armin is awesome. He's 10ft tall and burns \"stupid\" with his mind.", "group_id": 292, "id": 359102}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [{"date_created": 1306370144.9871521, "user_id": 31755}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1300212701.946245, "message": "^ marketing you *can* believe", "group_id": 292, "id": 359106}, {"user_id": 23034, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1300658224.774878, "message": "tornado or bottle", "group_id": 292, "id": 393967}, {"user_id": 19897, "stars": [{"date_created": 1305839782.2810681, "user_id": 20326}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305752792.4831381, "message": "Also +1 for Flask. It is largely very simple.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1103275}, {"user_id": 28054, "stars": [{"date_created": 1305839780.0288999, "user_id": 20326}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305752736.868031, "message": "+1 for Flask.  Using it now to convert a node.js site to Python.  It's working great.  Good docs, good plugins, stays out of the way.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1103267}, {"user_id": 11592, "stars": [{"date_created": 1310025848.3748651, "user_id": 26925}], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305786406.778511, "message": "Flask is fine but Django without default contrib stuff is pretty slick too. And has a way more room to grow.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1108868}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305822032.9432311, "message": "I use some kind of derivative of this for prototypes: https://gist.github.com/883817#file_nano.py", "group_id": 292, "id": 1113148}, {"user_id": 27289, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305820926.514127, "message": "@dpwiz if you outgrow Flask, it's easy to swap it out and use the underlying Werkzeug library directly.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1112838}, {"user_id": 11592, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1305872653.60883, "message": "@mattgood yeah, looks like i just don't really like werkzeug and sqlalchemy.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1121396}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1309501113.554451, "message": "Does anyone have anything to add to this list of \"microframeworks\": aspen.io, bobo, bottle, celery, flask, itty, pesto, routes+webob, web.py, werkzeug and cgi+wsgiref?", "group_id": 292, "id": 1537969}, {"user_id": 1243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1309544029.4295659, "message": "s/background/distributed/", "group_id": 292, "id": 1543841}, {"user_id": 1243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1309543995.146389, "message": "@r1chardj0n3s celery is for background task execution, it's not a microframework in the same sense as flask.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1543837}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1309678358.9496081, "message": "@gthank thanks, it's odd actually, I'm not sure why it's in the list at all. That list is supposed to be all the frameworks I'd actually evaluated and celery shouldn't even have been in the queue *to* evaluate :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 1551190}, {"user_id": 32520, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1310313379.9201181, "message": "my choice goes to django....its not minimalist, but is very simple and easy to learn.....I'm getting very curious seeing so many replies to flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 1604949}, {"user_id": 6836, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1310374205.211303, "message": "I'll cast a vote for Bottle. Flask is nice but is already showing some signs of bloat by comparison (blueprints? hmm), and I'm not a fan of Jinja-style templating, just my preference. Bottle also integrates with Werkzeug if your needs grow.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1610372}, {"user_id": 34132, "stars": [], "topic_id": 8266, "date_created": 1310506226.926136, "message": "Flask is very nice, but I also like and use Bottle because it supports Python 3.", "group_id": 292, "id": 1623459}]