convore.json/groups/python/new-requests-module-for-usable-http-requests/messages.json

[{"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667158.1156261, "message": ":)", "group_id": 292, "id": 96748}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667180.6141961, "message": "...", "group_id": 292, "id": 96750}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666862.501153, "message": "I always go back and forth between RestKit and httplib2", "group_id": 292, "id": 96729}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667134.879097, "message": "there is now :P", "group_id": 292, "id": 96745}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667156.02074, "message": "Absolutely! And I stand by them.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96747}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666288.421804, "message": "so, Requests was born!", "group_id": 292, "id": 96706}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666907.248904, "message": "Haha, it's all good :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 96734}, {"user_id": 1916, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666760.316051, "message": "Great work. Can't wait to try this out.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96723}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666823.1698229, "message": "Cool!", "group_id": 292, "id": 96725}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297666817.4849019, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297689308.4046919, "user_id": 719}, {"date_created": 1297691633.7856619, "user_id": 653}, {"date_created": 1299075105.9231219, "user_id": 2568}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666217.7917509, "message": "Just released it! http://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests/0.2.0", "group_id": 292, "id": 96704}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666282.791214, "message": "I got extremely frustrated with dealing with the convoluted documentation and boiler plate code for doing what I need: various HTTP requests with custom headers, params, and HTTP Auth.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96705}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666835.6400101, "message": "Always nice to see different approaches to making HTTP easier in Python", "group_id": 292, "id": 96726}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666890.8473351, "message": "Sorry, don't want to hijack this topic.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96732}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667144.5876009, "message": "Not to be a jerk @kennethreitz but are those tabs in your source code?", "group_id": 292, "id": 96746}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667189.213377, "message": ":)", "group_id": 292, "id": 96753}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667220.524224, "message": "and they're still horrible", "group_id": 292, "id": 96756}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667238.1894231, "message": "I love them", "group_id": 292, "id": 96759}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666878.6254649, "message": "We're using httplib2 for Convore, but I've been looking into RestKit lately and I like what I see a lot.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96730}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299075109.004981, "user_id": 2568}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666885.5401881, "message": "https://github.com/benoitc/restkit", "group_id": 292, "id": 96731}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666915.0521841, "message": "That's an interesting implementation too", "group_id": 292, "id": 96736}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297667005.0863931, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297666984.4854691, "message": "httplib2 is far better than anything builtin", "group_id": 292, "id": 96740}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297667011.752254, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667005.3679581, "message": "i just wanted something stupidly straitforward", "group_id": 292, "id": 96742}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667053.3808839, "message": "Yeah, there's no middle ground in Python between urllib2.urlopen and...you know...everything else.", "group_id": 292, "id": 96743}, {"user_id": 222, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297667859.068274, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297668779.317414, "user_id": 7}, {"date_created": 1297685091.4095981, "user_id": 2024}, {"date_created": 1297775606.9881079, "user_id": 927}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667808.2062421, "message": "Most elaborate troll on convore yet ;)", "group_id": 292, "id": 96805}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297668109.244735, "message": "@ericflo now i can write my convore api wrapper easily", "group_id": 292, "id": 96825}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667187.3989069, "message": "Well at least it wasn't a mistake", "group_id": 292, "id": 96752}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667203.8852389, "message": "And against popular belief, they are sanctioned by pep-8", "group_id": 292, "id": 96754}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667214.735857, "message": "only in existing codebases", "group_id": 292, "id": 96755}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297668690.1009631, "message": "GitHub repo: https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests", "group_id": 292, "id": 96847}, {"user_id": 8849, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297669550.78074, "message": "I meant forked python-convore code. https://github.com/ksato9700/python-convore", "group_id": 292, "id": 96890}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297667425.478605, "message": "If you meet me at pycon my nametag will mention my tab preference", "group_id": 292, "id": 96769}, {"user_id": 8849, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297669026.8731201, "message": "Hi, I didn't know that you're working on the \"requests\" module. I did more or less the same thing in my forked code ...", "group_id": 292, "id": 96861}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297670425.5253789, "message": "@ksato9700 woah!", "group_id": 292, "id": 96925}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297670437.518044, "message": "wow", "group_id": 292, "id": 96926}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297670891.0800469, "message": "@ksato9700  you there?", "group_id": 292, "id": 96969}, {"user_id": 8849, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297670930.237896, "message": "Hi,", "group_id": 292, "id": 96977}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297685122.1042111, "message": "@kennethreitz how long before there's a pull request replacing all those tabs?", "group_id": 292, "id": 98517}, {"user_id": 2024, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297689394.1529269, "message": "@kennethreitz we'll see about that. ;)", "group_id": 292, "id": 99136}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297689708.667412, "message": "@kennethreitz that's really awesome. I wonder if you have any comment on the http.client module in Python 3? Do you see this as an improvement, or just further modularization of the existing convulution? ;-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 99166}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297689115.4522879, "message": "@joshourisman never :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 99097}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297689836.927304, "message": "I'll have to look more closely. The only thing I've ever had to leave the stdlib for was multipart-formdata POSTs, for which I've used the 'poster' module, which was great. If I can get that module's functionality along with an easy-to-use replacement for http* in the stdlib, that's a pretty huge win.", "group_id": 292, "id": 99187}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297691124.5787129, "message": "@jonesy thanks!  It's currently just a wrapper for the stdlib libraries, making them a lot easier to use.", "group_id": 292, "id": 99339}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297691153.0545969, "message": "unfortunately, multipart form isn't supported yet. I'd love to add it though, if an elegant api for it could be thought of", "group_id": 292, "id": 99341}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297689867.3936279, "message": "and if it works w/ Python 3, please submit a recipe for potential inclusion in the upcoming 3rd ed. of the Python Cookbook.", "group_id": 292, "id": 99189}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297691185.2196851, "message": "I haven't tested it with python3 yet, but i'll let you know as soon as I do", "group_id": 292, "id": 99345}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297691394.9396019, "message": "poster's multipart_encode is perfect.", "group_id": 292, "id": 99383}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297692041.6137731, "message": "Need to (maybe) add cookie support too", "group_id": 292, "id": 99542}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693383.3615651, "message": "@jonesy do you ever have a problem with it hanging?", "group_id": 292, "id": 99937}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693880.7856059, "message": "what did you add? Cookies or py3k support? ;-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 100015}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693908.4393511, "message": "oh sweetness!!", "group_id": 292, "id": 100035}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693576.368618, "message": "@jonesy added!", "group_id": 292, "id": 99978}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693929.1336601, "message": "temporary until i build it out myself, if needed", "group_id": 292, "id": 100040}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693854.807622, "message": "@kennethreitz haven't had any issues with any http-related stuff hanging. Can you be more specific about what operation hangs?", "group_id": 292, "id": 100011}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297800961.970232, "user_id": 4893}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693898.5479131, "message": "@jonesy, I got it to work. I integrated multipart_encode", "group_id": 292, "id": 100033}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297693919.046972, "message": "vendorizing poster to do it", "group_id": 292, "id": 100039}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297694219.376755, "message": "youll just add a multipart_files dictionary to PUT or POST", "group_id": 292, "id": 100071}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297694772.3251431, "message": "I'll include it in the next release, hopefully later today", "group_id": 292, "id": 100123}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297698321.266897, "message": "@jonesy New release! http://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests/0.2.1", "group_id": 292, "id": 100776}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297699775.5488031, "message": "ha! Nice.", "group_id": 292, "id": 101014}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297728856.6821489, "user_id": 141}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297700906.2132199, "message": "Cookies are next.", "group_id": 292, "id": 101135}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297706957.8405421, "message": "v0.2.2 released! http://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests/0.2.2", "group_id": 292, "id": 102567}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297706990.913059, "message": "Gevent/eventlet and CookieJar support, and continued request handling in event of HTTPError", "group_id": 292, "id": 102580}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297706463.0308311, "message": "Is proxy authentication already available?", "group_id": 292, "id": 102415}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297706932.0632031, "message": "I wasn't planning on proxy support", "group_id": 292, "id": 102557}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297728971.6185391, "message": "i'm too comfortable with httplib2 to switch just yet but geez i have no idea how to do a cookie jar with it", "group_id": 292, "id": 108169}, {"user_id": 141, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297729044.9162431, "message": "i was trying just the other day so nytimes.com's redirects might stop jerking my user agent around, but eventually i gave up and raised its redirect limit for nytimes.com urls", "group_id": 292, "id": 108176}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297729419.8530259, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297729402.101783, "message": "I just got tired of having to keep referencing the documentation and have 10+ lines of code for really simple requests", "group_id": 292, "id": 108212}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297729442.6066289, "message": "urllib2 has a convoluted, un-straitforward api", "group_id": 292, "id": 108216}, {"user_id": 1081, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297739306.1140051, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297736877.3529861, "message": "@kennethreitz ... i was on the point of going with urllib2 when i saw this, will give it a try tonight", "group_id": 292, "id": 108829}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738949.249764, "message": "gtalk", "group_id": 292, "id": 109012}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297739144.200176, "message": "ah yeah it would", "group_id": 292, "id": 109021}, {"user_id": 1081, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738867.4743431, "message": "@kennethreitz can we pm somehow? would like to run my use case across you to see what you think, if you have the time?", "group_id": 292, "id": 109006}, {"user_id": 1081, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738993.820816, "message": "@kennethreitz wouldn't a private group work?", "group_id": 292, "id": 109014}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738926.716584, "message": "Unfortunately convore doesn't support PM's yet", "group_id": 292, "id": 109010}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738944.9512589, "message": "you can hit me up on irc or just in this channel", "group_id": 292, "id": 109011}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297739202.071991, "message": "@rasiel https://convore.com/kennethreitz-rasiel/", "group_id": 292, "id": 109024}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297738722.7810421, "message": "@rasiel awesome!", "group_id": 292, "id": 108996}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297775940.1773379, "message": "As a stylistic point, what do you think about raising exceptions for non-success status codes? Something like what remoteobjects does: https://github.com/sixapart/remoteobjects/blob/master/remoteobjects/http.py#L178", "group_id": 292, "id": 111003}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776807.0898991, "message": "originally, only the status code would be recorded", "group_id": 292, "id": 111102}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777046.3414199, "message": "and include the response object on the exception class for issue #2 (which is quite correct)", "group_id": 292, "id": 111142}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777957.0836861, "message": "like that", "group_id": 292, "id": 111243}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776892.0685191, "message": "I suppose I could have requests.STRICT bool you could set", "group_id": 292, "id": 111115}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777512.598701, "message": "i can think of a few ways to make that easier for you", "group_id": 292, "id": 111205}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776937.6142859, "message": "Right now requests.get(\"http://nosuch.example.org\") will raise an urllib2.URLError; requests.get(\"http://example.org/nosuch\") will return a response with status_code=404", "group_id": 292, "id": 111124}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777735.079602, "message": "@acdha I could have the request evaluate are True or False when evaluated as a boolean (e.g. 'if r: ...)", "group_id": 292, "id": 111225}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776774.438175, "message": "@acdha httperrors are still handled", "group_id": 292, "id": 111096}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777016.3339829, "message": "yeah, which makes sense to me", "group_id": 292, "id": 111137}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777228.9562161, "message": "If you're dealing directly with the Request object (which I don't recommend yet)", "group_id": 292, "id": 111159}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777254.790226, "message": "req.send() will return true or false", "group_id": 292, "id": 111163}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777385.7626691, "message": "hmm", "group_id": 292, "id": 111184}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776971.9645939, "message": "Something like that", "group_id": 292, "id": 111128}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777178.23914, "message": "I just mention this both because I find it cleaner looking and because I've had a couple of annoying errors in testing due to the one place where I forgot to check the status code", "group_id": 292, "id": 111154}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776796.5193591, "message": "like a regular request", "group_id": 292, "id": 111100}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776828.0325301, "message": "when there was a bad http code response", "group_id": 292, "id": 111104}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776832.4400101, "message": "but: https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/issues/closed#issue/2", "group_id": 292, "id": 111106}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297776900.8309751, "message": "and if on, it would raise an error", "group_id": 292, "id": 111119}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777374.0001931, "message": "I suppose I could make a strict arg for the request functions", "group_id": 292, "id": 111181}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777599.796751, "message": "but that wouldn't save you much trouble really since you have to check the code now anyway", "group_id": 292, "id": 111214}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777946.418716, "message": "https://gist.github.com/06dac06ae510af21b28d", "group_id": 292, "id": 111241}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297779547.835053, "message": "they'll be in the next release, hopefully later today", "group_id": 292, "id": 111536}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777010.402487, "message": "I'd like both cases in my example to raise an exception, preferably both IOError subclasses", "group_id": 292, "id": 111135}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777885.034373, "message": "That could work: it'd certainly simplify the process of raising an exception if you were using this in a higher-level library", "group_id": 292, "id": 111237}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778582.6821189, "message": "i wonder if i can store exceptions..", "group_id": 292, "id": 111346}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777205.603569, "message": "Yeah", "group_id": 292, "id": 111158}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777274.718411, "message": "based on the status code", "group_id": 292, "id": 111164}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777521.76157, "message": "things that come to mind are", "group_id": 292, "id": 111206}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777543.3594849, "message": "a) a 'successful' bool attribute on the response", "group_id": 292, "id": 111209}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777625.226505, "message": "here's an idea", "group_id": 292, "id": 111217}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297777748.0565381, "message": "and if the code was bad, it's false", "group_id": 292, "id": 111227}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297779675.703835, "message": "https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/commit/c900b4379b9bda3fb8491fa3bd96fdfa2f163a3f", "group_id": 292, "id": 111547}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778402.2817471, "message": "Seems reasonable - I'd write a raise_for_response helper method which could do the if False: <determine type and raise it> check", "group_id": 292, "id": 111325}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778981.0620379, "message": "the helper method will raise it if it's there", "group_id": 292, "id": 111433}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778987.093821, "message": "Nice", "group_id": 292, "id": 111437}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778450.3871851, "message": "I like it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 111331}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778924.416944, "message": "store? I think they're pickle-able", "group_id": 292, "id": 111419}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297781533.045614, "message": "@acdha released! http://pypi.python.org/pypi/requests/0.2.3", "group_id": 292, "id": 111843}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778951.278224, "message": "i can. I'm adding a Request.error", "group_id": 292, "id": 111423}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297778966.9242611, "message": "which will be the handled HTTPError", "group_id": 292, "id": 111430}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297779535.217041, "message": "@acdha thanks for the suggestions", "group_id": 292, "id": 111534}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791630.1401551, "message": "@unbracketed where?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113067}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791736.7232001, "message": "looks like you 8 spaces per level", "group_id": 292, "id": 113077}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792444.7565539, "message": "if i'm accidentally off by a single space for an indent level somewhere when using spaces, my script wont even run", "group_id": 292, "id": 113154}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792765.6591101, "message": "if people find it that inconvenient when contributing than i'd be happy to switch", "group_id": 292, "id": 113191}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792866.569715, "message": "ugh, i need more sleep", "group_id": 292, "id": 113206}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791787.035892, "message": "your browser renders the tab character 8-wide", "group_id": 292, "id": 113084}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792388.5890639, "message": "It's not a big deal either way", "group_id": 292, "id": 113146}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792042.3631699, "message": "i'm not keen on changing my editor settings for one guy's project", "group_id": 292, "id": 113117}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792056.953732, "message": "even though i agree with your argument", "group_id": 292, "id": 113118}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791546.2183011, "message": "all the extra indentation mostly", "group_id": 292, "id": 113058}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792334.789264, "message": "@kennethreitz \"For new projects, spaces-only are strongly recommended over tabs.  Most editors have features that make this easy to do.\" I see nothing about choice of indentation re: people understanding it :-P", "group_id": 292, "id": 113142}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791372.077559, "message": "@kennethreitz  what motivates your coding conventions?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113038}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791980.534236, "message": "I don't have to hit backspace 4 times to dedent something", "group_id": 292, "id": 113103}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791989.0016069, "message": "the classical argument really", "group_id": 292, "id": 113107}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792332.7070911, "message": "If you're using tabs, it's impossible to mess up indent levels", "group_id": 292, "id": 113141}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792391.5595331, "message": "Sure, but that makes you clearly not following recommendations ;-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 113147}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792475.093272, "message": "sure, but keep in mind that pretty much all of us are using spaces with success", "group_id": 292, "id": 113157}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792481.3498001, "message": "i have to constantly double check to make sure i'm using a multipler of four if i'm in a primitive editor", "group_id": 292, "id": 113158}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792517.2546749, "message": "of course there are workarounds", "group_id": 292, "id": 113166}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791492.4704039, "message": "@unbracketed can you elaborate?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113052}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791678.1964409, "message": "https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/blob/develop/requests/core.py", "group_id": 292, "id": 113073}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791742.4652071, "message": "ahh", "group_id": 292, "id": 113078}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791846.351845, "message": "i see - why tabs?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113093}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791917.489893, "message": "I think they make perfect sense for code indentation. Anyone can set their own tab-width if they fancy 2,3, or 8 space indents", "group_id": 292, "id": 113096}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297791992.6075611, "message": "gothca.", "group_id": 292, "id": 113108}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792005.1707921, "message": "but that's a discussion for another topic :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 113110}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792018.732249, "message": "it is - i was just curious because I rarely see that convention", "group_id": 292, "id": 113113}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792039.538775, "message": "yeah, it's sanctioned by pep8, against popular belief", "group_id": 292, "id": 113116}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792082.4373219, "message": "(not that i ever use space/backspace to indent/dedent code :P)", "group_id": 292, "id": 113122}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792092.0257411, "message": "pep8 *recommends* spaces for indentation since some people don't understand them, but it's okay with tabs", "group_id": 292, "id": 113124}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792106.9965191, "message": "* understand tabs", "group_id": 292, "id": 113128}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792353.8138471, "message": "*recommends* not requires", "group_id": 292, "id": 113144}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792403.704423, "message": "(granted all of PEP8 is only a recommendation in the first place)", "group_id": 292, "id": 113149}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792510.0306549, "message": "Notepad I guess", "group_id": 292, "id": 113164}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792859.3375161, "message": "*then", "group_id": 292, "id": 113204}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792554.3067081, "message": "that's why i like them", "group_id": 292, "id": 113177}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792373.623764, "message": "It also says the most popular way it so use spaces. And the second most poopular way it to use tabs.", "group_id": 292, "id": 113145}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792408.0629771, "message": "rules are made to be broken :P", "group_id": 292, "id": 113151}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792502.2679429, "message": "pico?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113161}, {"user_id": 2588, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792522.1891949, "message": "anyway, was just curious. i know its not your intention but going against the grain sort of feels like a disinvitation to collaborate", "group_id": 292, "id": 113168}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792530.0179269, "message": "it's just something annoying that i don't have to deal with when using tabs", "group_id": 292, "id": 113171}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792550.0145259, "message": "and if you like 3 or 2 space indents, by all means, set your tabstop to 2. doesn't matter to me", "group_id": 292, "id": 113176}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297792500.5540619, "message": "What editor exists that doesn't support soft tabs?", "group_id": 292, "id": 113160}, {"user_id": 719, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297802004.0526159, "message": "@kennethreitz The spaces convention bugs me too so I cope by tweaking my editor instead.", "group_id": 292, "id": 114632}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1297820438.2781579, "message": "@kennethreitz Sweet: I'll have to update my sandbox virtualenv", "group_id": 292, "id": 117127}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298989407.5561099, "user_id": 1081}, {"date_created": 1298993119.4368279, "user_id": 603}, {"date_created": 1298999330.1187789, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1298987420.547575, "message": "@kennethreitz So, uh, I suck at trying things promptly but just used requests today for some ElasticSearch work. Very easy, esp. with the raise_for_status() method for sanity. Thanks!", "group_id": 292, "id": 234607}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1298999326.8098869, "message": "@acdha thank you very much :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 236295}, {"user_id": 16722, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1299002434.0719841, "message": "Hmmm...", "group_id": 292, "id": 236471}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1299002463.0501969, "message": "@Codeness ?", "group_id": 292, "id": 236474}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1299186919.759793, "message": "Thoughts on passing in cookie lists/dicts instead of cookiejars in w/ a request?", "group_id": 292, "id": 263756}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 5152, "date_created": 1299209337.6206241, "message": "I'm meh on that if there's an easy way for requests to store & reuse cookies which it receives. I've had exactly one project where I needed to manage that manually.", "group_id": 292, "id": 266249}]