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[{"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298729779.1310339, "message": "PEP 380: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0380/ \"Syntax for Delegating to a Subgenerator\"", "group_id": 292, "id": 214311}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730269.145555, "message": "@jpcalderone I think that's an excellent question for the PyCon interview with Guido - http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=5615c", "group_id": 292, "id": 214332}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730471.888062, "message": "I'm interested in Guido's take, personally", "group_id": 292, "id": 214340}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298731118.8865349, "message": "@jonesy Doubtful. Here's why - the moratorium acted as stop-energy for a lot of the people who were constantly pushing for crazy new features. I think a lot of those people have walked away from those ideas, or gone off to shinier new languages.", "group_id": 292, "id": 214360}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730646.847275, "message": "@jpcalderone I added it to the google moderator questions for the interview!", "group_id": 292, "id": 214341}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298729794.6254549, "message": "For reference, the moratorium: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3003/", "group_id": 292, "id": 214312}, {"user_id": 5701, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298729937.676574, "message": "Time for a retrospective on the efficacy of the moratorium, a look at whether it accomplished its goals, and whether it bears repeating in the same or a modified form in the future?", "group_id": 292, "id": 214316}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730452.9900761, "message": "So, while it slowed down the core language changes, and it accelerated some other stdlib/interpreter and other work, and it reduced the noise of people proposing crazy language changes, I don't know that it was as effective as it could have been.", "group_id": 292, "id": 214338}, {"user_id": 11592, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298730656.140883, "user_id": 5639}], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730114.038903, "message": "Fire up the crack-pipes! (8", "group_id": 292, "id": 214327}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730395.3109109, "message": "Do I think it did it's job? Yes. It slowed things down, and a lot of work got done \"elsewhere\" - did it let other implementation catch up? Well - PyPy took off for other reasons, and Jython and others seem to be languishing.", "group_id": 292, "id": 214334}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298730709.9508171, "message": "I think my 'new peps' rss feed is about to explode :-o", "group_id": 292, "id": 214345}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298739436.43168, "message": "@jessenoller I already asked that question :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 214854}, {"user_id": 222, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298742122.821528, "message": "I like PEP 380 because you could make some small changes to Genshi and get a lot of performance improvement... and (Genshi) performance is the biggest problem I have with Trac.", "group_id": 292, "id": 214999}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298742260.4441099, "message": "didn't they drop genshi?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215007}, {"user_id": 14957, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298799491.7180619, "message": "Trac used Clearsilver (was that based on Genshi?); now uses Jinja and is much better for it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 216878}, {"user_id": 222, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298828086.6194329, "message": "@alex the stable version is still on genshi", "group_id": 292, "id": 218467}, {"user_id": 222, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298828096.932184, "message": "@dougn clearsilver has nothing to do with genshi", "group_id": 292, "id": 218470}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298831189.6005559, "message": "Also Trac switching to Genshi at all hasn't left the discussion stage :-P It isn't clear to me that this will make nested generators that much faster, it would just be a nicer syntax for it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 218863}, {"user_id": 2108, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298832033.659946, "message": "Now, when will we get an option for stackless mode in official CPython binary?", "group_id": 292, "id": 218979}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298832634.3882749, "message": "Never I doubt...", "group_id": 292, "id": 219086}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298840747.8613141, "message": "@Nettok Just as soon as someone does a PEP, argues the case, and submits a patch.", "group_id": 292, "id": 220728}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298843363.3655801, "message": "it's a lot of extra complication to the core though, I doubt it would fly", "group_id": 292, "id": 221234}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298843378.4564581, "message": "pypy would like to make \"stackless style\" the default though :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 221237}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298845140.489229, "message": "or at least it was discussed at the sprint", "group_id": 292, "id": 221646}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298844901.0379729, "message": "we would?", "group_id": 292, "id": 221596}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298844915.457469, "message": "stackless isn't presently compatible with the JIT, nor is it much of a priority (though it still works)", "group_id": 292, "id": 221602}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298845170.3952661, "message": "it was seen as being the best future for the stackless code in pypy", "group_id": 292, "id": 221659}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298845132.4831951, "message": "it has been discussed", "group_id": 292, "id": 221645}, {"user_id": 1152, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298849071.522141, "message": "@voidspace And Unladen Swallow wasn't a lot of change to core? I'm sure someone with enough will and time could do it and get it accepted. Though, I'd like to see the twisted.core in there first.", "group_id": 292, "id": 222340}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298851454.395561, "message": "@dougn I meant to say switching to Jinja >_<", "group_id": 292, "id": 222848}, {"user_id": 14957, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298851302.818224, "message": "@bob then Genshi has nothing to do with Trac and I am confused by your post.", "group_id": 292, "id": 222812}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298851465.5323739, "message": "@dougn Genshi was effectively written for Trac", "group_id": 292, "id": 222851}, {"user_id": 222, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298909337.6381691, "message": "@dougn you're confused because what you've said has little basis in fact, ClearSilver was used by old versions of Trac. Genshi is used by current versions of Trac. Switching to Jinja is something that they want to do in future versions of Trac that do not yet exist, so not yet relevant to me.", "group_id": 292, "id": 226647}, {"user_id": 14957, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9240, "date_created": 1298961590.7187679, "message": "@bob ah. it is clear now.", "group_id": 292, "id": 232397}]