convore.json/groups/python/what-lightweight-web-framework-do-you-prefer-and-why-pylons-webpy-etc/messages.json

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I highly recommend it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 351313}, {"user_id": 7378, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300145663.0772541, "user_id": 9262}, {"date_created": 1300394395.751843, "user_id": 22374}, {"date_created": 1300419501.985939, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1300984343.2625761, "user_id": 18123}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300141032.6188481, "message": "Flask ...because Armin is awesome, it's well documented and Armin is awesome.", "group_id": 292, "id": 351520}, {"user_id": 13893, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300149959.841562, "user_id": 2108}, {"date_created": 1300419506.3175931, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1301707020.5402851, "user_id": 5145}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300141133.3666539, "message": "So say we all!", "group_id": 292, "id": 351531}, {"user_id": 16188, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300145657.434715, "user_id": 9262}, {"date_created": 1300424191.504215, "user_id": 14562}, {"date_created": 1301872557.6138, "user_id": 26944}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300143049.6352689, "message": "Pyramid because of http://docs.pylonsproject.org/faq/pyramid.html#why-is-pyramid-any-different-than-the-hundred-other-python-web-frameworks", "group_id": 292, "id": 351788}, {"user_id": 2108, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300150027.052331, "message": "I like cherrypy and flask.  My next hobby project will be in Pyramid and I am sure I'll like it too.", "group_id": 292, "id": 352408}, {"user_id": 10890, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300156158.6949999, "message": "hmmm, was not aware of this: \"as of the release of Pyramid 1.0 on January 31, 2011, the Pylons web framework has effectively been shifted into \u201clegacy\u201d status.\"", "group_id": 292, "id": 352918}, {"user_id": 11972, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300196112.930294, "message": "@rlofthouse Don't forget that Armin is awesome.", "group_id": 292, "id": 355805}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300196231.5369871, "message": "pyramid: un-opinionated, flexible, fast.", "group_id": 292, "id": 355821}, {"user_id": 1629, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300197643.4659939, "message": "Does pyramid have an actual sight, or just the python package index?", "group_id": 292, "id": 356086}, {"user_id": 21289, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300201437.220428, "message": "I like Flask, it's very well documented", "group_id": 292, "id": 356992}, {"user_id": 16188, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300211329.060528, "message": "Pyramid's home is at http://pylonsproject.org/", "group_id": 292, "id": 358966}, {"user_id": 3617, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300212258.206295, "message": "Pyramid. It's lightweight, but not stupidly so. LOC only matters when you're screwing around, in the real world you need it to work, not work with just 15 lines.", "group_id": 292, "id": 359057}, {"user_id": 2376, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300344058.08517, "user_id": 6469}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300252242.1022961, "message": "web2py! It's never broken backwards compatibility since v1.0 in 2007, requires no installation and no configuration and enforces good software engineering practices. Find it at http://www.web2py.com/", "group_id": 292, "id": 362854}, {"user_id": 7375, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300258269.2798431, "user_id": 19090}, {"date_created": 1300310147.956984, "user_id": 3617}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300253049.2419369, "message": "pyramid, because it's not to hard and it's not to soft. It's not to hot and it's not to cold. It's not too big and it's not too small. It's just right.", "group_id": 292, "id": 362936}, {"user_id": 14438, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300266382.644393, "message": "+1 for Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 363885}, {"user_id": 21488, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300297615.7042489, "message": "For really tiny projects, I'm a fan of bottle.py. Sometimes you just need a fast wsgi program and you don't care about details.", "group_id": 292, "id": 367944}, {"user_id": 16188, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300299805.0386901, "message": "For really tiny projects I just use Python + stdlib ... the beauty of WSGI", "group_id": 292, "id": 368347}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300333180.697952, "message": "@rockyburt I tend to agree but the lack of decent request/response in the standard library really bites - dealing with that horrible (only because it's so old) cgi module is a pain. Last time I needed to do something quick (about a year ago) I used stdlib wsgiref simple_server and mixed in WebBb's request/response. WebOb for the standard library!", "group_id": 292, "id": 371345}, {"user_id": 9229, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300340225.3564341, "user_id": 4578}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300339919.391242, "message": "@bmelton there's a \"delete\" button on the far right of your comments...", "group_id": 292, "id": 371781}, {"user_id": 5436, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300352518.2543609, "message": "Why votes goes to Tornado. Fast, light and object oriented.", "group_id": 292, "id": 372492}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300362656.245609, "message": "for really really tiny projects, webob is nice.", "group_id": 292, "id": 373045}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300362693.1418879, "message": "from webob import Response; application = Response(\"Hello World\")", "group_id": 292, "id": 373047}, {"user_id": 16188, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300362644.341496, "message": "@r1chardj0n3s actually yeah that's pretty much what i end up with too... WebOb for request/response objects", "group_id": 292, "id": 373041}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300366670.661751, "message": "so... lightweight==anything but django?", "group_id": 292, "id": 373553}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300367063.1653731, "message": "@Vasil depends, some would measure by # of dependencies, others would measure by # LOC you write, others might measure by # of function calls to go from request/response. Zope would likely not be considered lightweight under any of these criteria.", "group_id": 292, "id": 373615}, {"user_id": 12677, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300376179.2201869, "message": "Last time I checked, django is quite easy to setup and has wsgi adapters for a bunch of fast web servers. I has no dependencies either so it's all in one zip/tar file or subversion checkout (except the database python module unless you use sqlite). If you're not a database wizard and you're gonna need a schema or some kind of persistence it's worth checking out ... and Flaskr is quite good too :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 375005}, {"user_id": 13770, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300384512.9941871, "message": "does tornado count?", "group_id": 292, "id": 375966}, {"user_id": 16058, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300394335.398433, "user_id": 22374}, {"date_created": 1300400860.7641289, "user_id": 5593}, {"date_created": 1300424291.9975669, "user_id": 14562}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300394022.8116081, "message": "Bottle and Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 377430}, {"user_id": 11972, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300394265.752286, "message": "@geoffnin People get confused with tornado because they sell themselves as a webserver (they are a webserver too), but the framework is pretty neat and the async decorators make everything easier.", "group_id": 292, "id": 377472}, {"user_id": 3580, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300403571.789741, "message": "At my last gig we used bottle, and accidentally built it into something that looked very much like flask (built out the decorators, added magic session vars, pulled in Jinja, and Werzitsname...)  I dug it, but I'd probly just use Flask if I was gonna jump in with a micro-framework again.", "group_id": 292, "id": 378487}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300419495.398643, "message": "Flask.", "group_id": 292, "id": 379652}, {"user_id": 22602, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302226111.5655341, "user_id": 9035}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300419994.374912, "message": "Tornado gets my vote.", "group_id": 292, "id": 379699}, {"user_id": 22602, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300420077.9954121, "message": "@dsr That's how I feel about Tornado. But I've been meaning to check out Flask once I find some time.", "group_id": 292, "id": 379707}, {"user_id": 291, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300429867.7180121, "user_id": 7375}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300420663.3542919, "message": "I prefer Pyramid, because it fits my brain.  It's probably not the best for novice web programmers (it explicitly offers you a lot of choices, and that can be overwhelming for someone who's just trying to figure out how to get started), but it provides for me the right balance between complexity, flexibility, and performance.", "group_id": 292, "id": 379737}, {"user_id": 16188, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300448538.6986151, "message": "After spending time with some of the \"micro\" frameworks (particularly Flask) http://goo.gl/WNR5l does a nice job of describing why i lost interest", "group_id": 292, "id": 381447}, {"user_id": 5515, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300451646.144172, "message": "+1 for Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 381675}, {"user_id": 5593, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300453864.912102, "message": "Also +1 for Flask. The code is simple but powerful. The installation and the documentation is well done. And the extra-plugins (mongodb, couchdb connectors for example) are so easy to use!", "group_id": 292, "id": 381813}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300464094.6587451, "user_id": 12404}, {"date_created": 1300944140.9974191, "user_id": 214}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300461002.6990061, "message": "@rockyburt the link on http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/1.0/designdefense.html# is one of the best I've ever found in any framework.  Do you know who wrote that?", "group_id": 292, "id": 382669}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300464224.6171501, "message": "@jdaguilera I believe it was @chrismcdonough. it would be nice if that became a trend along side the readme.", "group_id": 292, "id": 383101}, {"user_id": 14578, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300733032.0277691, "user_id": 18601}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300515173.3777461, "message": "twisted.web, because it's the easiest to start with and the most flexible", "group_id": 292, "id": 387113}, {"user_id": 20521, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300544523.975163, "message": "I used flask, but preferred to use bottlepy, its more lighter.", "group_id": 292, "id": 388421}, {"user_id": 23034, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300658128.268914, "message": "I use tornado but I will use bottle as well. Both have easy to read source code.", "group_id": 292, "id": 393963}, {"user_id": 5639, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300673380.9290049, "message": "I use tornado for production right now, but I played w/ bottle & flask very briefly when I learned of them, and they both seem pretty reasonable to me.", "group_id": 292, "id": 394803}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300722564.9287691, "user_id": 1979}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300690586.509881, "message": "For light python web frameworks you can't beat Spring Python (http://springpython.webfactional.com/). Its all about Inversion of Control and writing out your own SQL and wiring it up with XML! Yeah!", "group_id": 292, "id": 395925}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300763014.831089, "user_id": 3617}, {"date_created": 1302792241.7934451, "user_id": 7179}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300708067.174607, "message": "@pydanny LOL?", "group_id": 292, "id": 397230}, {"user_id": 14074, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300776089.552346, "message": "werkzeug, it's the core of flask without much in the way of \"We think you ought to do things like this\", though that kind of thing is there if you want (built-in httpd, classes for cli helper utilities, web-based debugger that runs in the current erring stack frame), but thats it. It's a rock-solid WSGI environment without any frills. Preferred mainly because it frees you to branch out from there regarding the rest of the site.", "group_id": 292, "id": 405183}, {"user_id": 11647, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300776393.723223, "message": "Flask++", "group_id": 292, "id": 405196}, {"user_id": 14074, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300778935.2653949, "message": "A lot of what I said seems awfully redundant, considering it seems like most of you are already familiar with werkzeug via flask. >.<", "group_id": 292, "id": 405453}, {"user_id": 4893, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300793334.374033, "message": "Right now flask, but I'm currently also planning to look into Pyramid (if I could just find the time) for slightly larger projects.", "group_id": 292, "id": 406354}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300848714.695431, "message": "Anybody have tried brubeck?", "group_id": 292, "id": 413618}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300904687.356282, "message": "pyramid > flask > tornado In that order.", "group_id": 292, "id": 419473}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300910595.2770851, "message": "@ericmoritz indeed. The only problem I see with that is plain webob is too complex to deal with. And you have no other developers contributing third party addons :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 420202}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300910007.582108, "message": "My really simple \"nano-framework\"  it's more of a pattern than a framework because the \"framework\" is only 17 lines of code if you ignore the two dependancies. https://gist.github.com/883817", "group_id": 292, "id": 420164}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300911482.335644, "message": "@elpargo plain webob is no more complex to use than Django's Request/Response objects and there are plenty of third party addons for this because it's mostly a WSGI native \"framework\" http://www.wsgi.org/wsgi/Middleware_and_Utilities", "group_id": 292, "id": 420331}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301192698.8687551, "user_id": 4383}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300940317.372488, "message": "@ericmoritz you will be bitten :) Otherwise they will be no need for more complex things like Pylons and Pyramid.", "group_id": 292, "id": 423967}, {"user_id": 24407, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300968126.2305779, "message": "@jonesy what", "group_id": 292, "id": 425799}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300975722.3409369, "message": "@elpargo The question was for which lightweight framework do I prefer; I use that pattern for little simple web services, a project that would call for a micro framework rather than something like Pylons, Turbogears or Django.", "group_id": 292, "id": 426841}, {"user_id": 18123, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1300982353.951895, "message": "Shake!", "group_id": 292, "id": 428089}, {"user_id": 19652, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301082613.1669891, "message": "@ericmoritz I guess so. I was just pointing out that flask and pyramid will take care of most of the quirks for you.", "group_id": 292, "id": 442003}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301192558.7462599, "message": "I'm curious what kind of apps people think are good for mini frameworks.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449033}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301192028.206264, "message": "I never really got the idea of a \"light\" framework. I always need much more than a light framework can provide and generally thing it's a waste of time to impement things like scripts for running development servers and teat runners etc.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449008}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301192675.0538001, "message": "After 1 day I found myself looking at the flask docs for how to create a \"larger\" app.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449038}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301192237.2971239, "message": "For instance I just spent the better part of a week building stuff for a flask project that come with Django for free.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449019}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301193128.549552, "message": "@ianmlewis My general example is a site for a small company, they need a few small dynamic pages but nothing big. Granted I can't see a good reason to not use django-cms for that if you already know it, but if you have to start from scratch it is probably easier to get up to speed on Flask than Django or Pyramid.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449067}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301193022.6854341, "message": "Pyramid seems pretty good to me but is more of a framework for building frameworks. Personally I think building a framework for my own use isgenerqlly a waste of time. Unwound like to focus on building things that have direct value to our clients.", "group_id": 292, "id": 449063}, {"user_id": 4383, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301193089.4735849, "message": "The autocomplete on the iPhone gets me every time. :p", "group_id": 292, "id": 449065}, {"user_id": 5863, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301257663.764559, "message": "Anyone else tried bottle? I just used it today and it's lovely for one file simple web services", "group_id": 292, "id": 452653}, {"user_id": 3617, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301290273.2939939, "message": "@coderanger Pyramid took me all of an hour to get 'up to speed'. Honestly I think Flask would take far longer for something non-trivial.", "group_id": 292, "id": 455467}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301291949.394547, "message": "@BiosElement I didn't say it was a great argument :-)", "group_id": 292, "id": 455591}, {"user_id": 25106, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301290621.9683149, "message": "What if it's just a web service API server with little or no HTML portion? Do Flask, Bottle, Pyramid still fit well in that situation?", "group_id": 292, "id": 455497}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301308954.166641, "message": "@ramen i can only speak to pyramid, and I would say yes.", "group_id": 292, "id": 456930}, {"user_id": 25462, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301315556.652142, "message": "+1 Flask  (pylons is not lightweight)", "group_id": 292, "id": 457440}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301343026.495399, "user_id": 5778}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301317243.6661539, "message": "@sserrano44 oh really? http://svn.repoze.org/whatsitdoing/flask/results.txt http://svn.repoze.org/whatsitdoing/pylons/results.txt http://svn.repoze.org/whatsitdoing/bfg/results.txt", "group_id": 292, "id": 457599}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301317292.168215, "message": "and http://svn.repoze.org/whatsitdoing/pyramid/results.txt", "group_id": 292, "id": 457603}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301323555.9049079, "message": "and here's the same test run on groundhog which is a flask like framework built on top on pyramid. http://paste.ofcode.org/p5VGqxJCEHi5w2zdT8LDQu , if function calls is your metric for determining \"lighter\" groundhog has flask beat. :P", "group_id": 292, "id": 458249}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301323691.043196, "message": "and the groundhog(your new micro framework)  app https://github.com/Pylons/groundhog/blob/master/demo/whatsitdoing.py", "group_id": 292, "id": 458265}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301326270.4615879, "message": "@elpargo what kind of quirks are you talking about?  I haven't had any trouble with webob myself.", "group_id": 292, "id": 458715}, {"user_id": 18123, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301362211.63079, "message": "@coderanger", "group_id": 292, "id": 464044}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301404805.6313269, "message": "@sserrano44 will do guy, and what pray tell is the memory usage of flask?", "group_id": 292, "id": 469273}, {"user_id": 25462, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301404624.6789589, "message": "@tbatterii check the memory usage of pylons (hosting is sell by memory not cpu)", "group_id": 292, "id": 469267}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301619453.3084669, "user_id": 1736}, {"date_created": 1301619511.42591, "user_id": 22109}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301618428.813401, "message": "Flask now does Enterprise. No other framework does this. This discussion is now over! http://massive.immersedcode.org/2011/staging/projects/default/python/flask-enterprise/", "group_id": 292, "id": 498011}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301620451.2081289, "message": "@pydanny But is it more enterprisey than that other so called enterprisey framework? Are secretaries able to install it. If my secretary can't install while she sips her coffee it just isn't good enough.", "group_id": 292, "id": 498191}, {"user_id": 16551, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301621476.3612311, "message": "@sivictor Buzzwords can be entered in through its simple to use web interface. It will save them away and exec them on every request and throw them back at you.", "group_id": 292, "id": 498342}, {"user_id": 26100, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301620893.6493411, "message": "Does it have buzzword injection? If I can't inject buzzwords via XML, it's not robust enough!", "group_id": 292, "id": 498251}, {"user_id": 1398, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301620696.34641, "message": "Even if Secretaries can't figure it out, its clearly a more enterprisy framework than those loser systems Django, Pyramid, Web2py and any other un-helicopterized moribund-altered polymorphic resonating framework.", "group_id": 292, "id": 498217}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301635462.8023369, "message": "@GrahamDumpleton Does this mean that this supports X#? http://code.google.com/p/xsharp/", "group_id": 292, "id": 499672}, {"user_id": 7375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301635329.362433, "message": "Happy Mailman day too....", "group_id": 292, "id": 499662}, {"user_id": 7375, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301635304.481694, "message": "It's April fool's!", "group_id": 292, "id": 499660}, {"user_id": 6543, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301682243.4558401, "user_id": 7}, {"date_created": 1301687721.5806799, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1301753819.2425549, "user_id": 22109}, {"date_created": 1301788461.947202, "user_id": 3617}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301682048.4671171, "message": "Web2Pyramid of course http://web2pyramid.pylonsproject.org/", "group_id": 292, "id": 504078}, {"user_id": 23556, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301687516.4488461, "message": "@chrismcdonough april's fool :)", "group_id": 292, "id": 505084}, {"user_id": 22109, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301770452.769527, "message": "Just knocked out a Flask app for the LAN I'm at, was pleasantly surprised.", "group_id": 292, "id": 509859}, {"user_id": 26944, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301872708.371861, "message": "@rsvp - that's a little ambiguous. In fact Pylons merged with repoze.bfg to become Pyramid http://plope.com/bfg-becomes-pyramid", "group_id": 292, "id": 518689}, {"user_id": 7517, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1301910565.743207, "message": "+1 for Flask and Tipfy", "group_id": 292, "id": 522118}, {"user_id": 1863, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1302595174.369272, "message": "+1 for Tornado, very easy to pick up and use", "group_id": 292, "id": 639028}, {"user_id": 27946, "stars": [], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1302658580.7725041, "message": "+1 for Tornado.. my site is powered by tornado + nginx http://sanetax.com", "group_id": 292, "id": 654519}, {"user_id": 11592, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302698667.5538299, "user_id": 12404}], "topic_id": 13060, "date_created": 1302676179.55653, "message": "+1 for any sane framework which doesn't impose it's hard \"standards\" for solving noone's problems.", "group_id": 292, "id": 660350}]