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[{"user_id": 5049, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297499149.0967331, "message": "I should learn Ruby Language first or I cant start with Rails framework directly?", "group_id": 447, "id": 86422}, {"user_id": 874, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297520535.3688409, "message": "Good question, and I eagerly await some answers too. I've been forging ahead with combined RoR learning, because I really don't think I'll be doing them independently for anything.", "group_id": 447, "id": 86972}, {"user_id": 3148, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297533071.7320721, "message": "I think it depends on if you already have strong programming knowledge and/or familiarity with MVC frameworks. I learned by diving straight in to Rails and picking up Ruby along the way. I'm not sure that's the best approach\u2013but the nice thing is that you're actually building workable stuff right away. That's very motivating. But, if your programming experience is limited, I'd probably start with some Ruby tutorials and exercises.", "group_id": 447, "id": 87168}, {"user_id": 3148, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298439000.6146259, "user_id": 1006}], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297533138.098032, "message": "Another thing to consider is starting with Sinatra. It's a lot more lightweight and a good way to get a feel for things before diving into all of Ruby's internals. I might try that approach too.", "group_id": 447, "id": 87170}, {"user_id": 8875, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298438999.3823349, "user_id": 1006}], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297621942.493602, "message": "+1 for sinatra, especially if you're new to web development in general. it's much better at helping you build a mental model of how web apps work", "group_id": 447, "id": 92672}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297622641.012259, "message": "but just nothing with any shiwazz", "group_id": 447, "id": 92790}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297622625.0445161, "message": "but - regardless, you need Ruby experience, right?", "group_id": 447, "id": 92783}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297622635.384645, "message": "I can create models, relationships, the interfaces", "group_id": 447, "id": 92789}, {"user_id": 4941, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298439031.475656, "user_id": 1006}], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297622555.6924779, "message": "I'd recommend getting started with a tiny sinatra app and deploying it on heroku. Then add some ORM like datamapper, play with routes and HTTP verbs. Then you might compare erb to haml and choose the one you prefer. At that point you should know basisc about models, controllers and views and should be able to dive into rails.", "group_id": 447, "id": 92775}, {"user_id": 4941, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297622602.7311471, "message": "ah, and don't forget bundler..", "group_id": 447, "id": 92780}, {"user_id": 5049, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297626630.8205249, "message": "thanks for your advices guys.", "group_id": 447, "id": 92982}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638775.529938, "message": "I've been through the Lynda tutorials, and possibly 200 tutorials (reading, not doing) on the web", "group_id": 447, "id": 94454}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638816.3572659, "message": "my biggest issue was trying to do the examples, when I should have just sat and listened/read", "group_id": 447, "id": 94459}, {"user_id": 8765, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637756.690511, "message": "If you know programming languages, just jump right in with Rails", "group_id": 447, "id": 94384}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637718.695246, "message": "What\u2019s going on is that Rails is written in Ruby, but Rails isn\u2019t Ruby. Some Rails classes are used like ordinary Ruby objects, but some are just grist for Rails\u2019 magic mill. Rails is sui generis, and should be studied and understood separately from Ruby. This is why, if your principal programming interest is writing web applications, I recommend learning Rails first, then learning Ruby, then looping back to Rails.", "group_id": 447, "id": 94381}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637728.548239, "message": "http://railstutorial.org/chapters/rails-flavored-ruby#top", "group_id": 447, "id": 94382}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637732.5808361, "message": "just above 4.4.5", "group_id": 447, "id": 94383}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637717.8960941, "message": "Thought this was relevant:", "group_id": 447, "id": 94379}, {"user_id": 8765, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297637781.097656, "message": "Ruby is a pretty easy to understand language at the end of the day.", "group_id": 447, "id": 94387}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638797.094311, "message": "which runs through pretty much everything crucial Rubywise", "group_id": 447, "id": 94456}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638757.7927389, "message": "(I don't have any programming experience)", "group_id": 447, "id": 94453}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638748.6215439, "message": "to be honest, I woke up this morning and had some garbled understanding", "group_id": 447, "id": 94452}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638962.502759, "message": "I feel enlightened!", "group_id": 447, "id": 94471}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638786.302593, "message": "and never really grasped it, until I just read the chapter I linked to above", "group_id": 447, "id": 94455}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297638803.309752, "message": "and its gelled it all together", "group_id": 447, "id": 94458}, {"user_id": 8425, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297652284.055038, "message": "To learn Rails, RailsZombies is good, for Ruby, can try RubyKoans", "group_id": 447, "id": 95783}, {"user_id": 8575, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297748628.332757, "message": "I've never had much luck with just listening/reading; I've always found that doing was better, at least for me. Also, +1 for Rails for Zombies: http://railsforzombies.org/", "group_id": 447, "id": 109423}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297759613.1419981, "message": "one of the things a young ruby coder should try is to avoid writing loops", "group_id": 447, "id": 109857}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297759628.1109459, "message": "lambdas instead", "group_id": 447, "id": 109858}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297759639.016284, "message": "with .each, .map, .reduce etc", "group_id": 447, "id": 109859}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297759659.9929121, "message": "http://apidock.com is a good reference", "group_id": 447, "id": 109862}, {"user_id": 8875, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297794568.5141499, "message": "sorry, http://railsapi.com", "group_id": 447, "id": 113394}, {"user_id": 8875, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297794561.3157101, "message": "i prefer railsapi.com", "group_id": 447, "id": 113393}, {"user_id": 9450, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297794835.670366, "message": "gotapi.com was really good, new beta version is at beta.gotapi.com, but there are few broken links there", "group_id": 447, "id": 113426}, {"user_id": 12245, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298673173.2712059, "user_id": 8244}], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1297917660.4127319, "message": "www.railstutorial.org - everything you need to be a kickass Rails developer. tryruby.org has enough to get you started with Ruby!", "group_id": 447, "id": 129411}, {"user_id": 15102, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298443292.8884151, "message": "you learn both at the same time. That's what I did", "group_id": 447, "id": 186081}, {"user_id": 5711, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298466280.1128869, "message": "Some experience with dynamic languages would help. I dived straight into Rails from C# and Objectice-C and it worked out great. I recommend you check out http://tryruby.org/ if you haven\u2019t yet, it was very useful to me at the time.", "group_id": 447, "id": 187370}, {"user_id": 14681, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298465964.474864, "message": "I agree....create an app that is simple and that you will use, like a blog engine. Start small, stay simple.", "group_id": 447, "id": 187348}, {"user_id": 14444, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298492669.8130989, "message": "ruby first", "group_id": 447, "id": 190691}, {"user_id": 1006, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298498226.612077, "message": "+1 ruby first", "group_id": 447, "id": 191599}, {"user_id": 9327, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298670835.3610239, "user_id": 5049}], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298639341.374424, "message": "@mininaim It is not going to happen overnight either way, choose Rails if your strength is Web, choose Ruby if you strength is programming, you will have to learn both and never stop learning.  But it is awesome, there is something new and exciting every week.  Check Out http://rubykoans.com and http://railsforzombies.org", "group_id": 447, "id": 207688}, {"user_id": 4066, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298745919.685827, "message": "+1 http://tryruby.org/", "group_id": 447, "id": 215232}, {"user_id": 9661, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4498, "date_created": 1298885837.1553249, "message": "+1 ruby first", "group_id": 447, "id": 224541}]