convore.json/groups/ruby/where-do-you-recommend-somebody-interested-in-developing-in-ruby-should-go/messages.json

[{"user_id": 2714, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261751.980835, "message": "@hamiltop Rails isn't exactly Ruby.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155980}, {"user_id": 13919, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262766.8617489, "message": "As for books, \"The Well Grounded Rubyist\" by David Black is a great place to start learning ruby. It's not too demanding but gradually introduces you to a lot of the more interesting parts of the ruby language. http://www.manning.com/black2/", "group_id": 109, "id": 156020}, {"user_id": 2714, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262019.1040261, "message": "Mostly those who haven't ever picked up Programming.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155987}, {"user_id": 2714, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298337849.21807, "user_id": 12084}], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261691.2428911, "message": "@lyetz http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/", "group_id": 109, "id": 155975}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261719.579442, "message": "http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book", "group_id": 109, "id": 155978}, {"user_id": 9327, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298299107.9574521, "user_id": 2016}], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262463.147306, "message": "http://rubykoans.com/ is a great learning ruby resource", "group_id": 109, "id": 155997}, {"user_id": 2714, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261779.9810319, "message": "In fact, I've seen more harm than good come from people who learned about Rails first, then Ruby.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155982}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261791.819948, "message": "Oops, my bad.  Didn't read the title closely enough", "group_id": 109, "id": 155983}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300960582.132009, "user_id": 23919}], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261840.0057061, "message": "@krainboltgreene :  I'd be interested to hear more about this harm.  In what scenarios?", "group_id": 109, "id": 155985}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262193.56671, "message": "gotcha.  Coming from C and Python, I suppose I'm not too bad... My big thing is that I don't find too many scenarios for using Ruby outside of rails.  I've built a few fun scripts with it, but nothing too complicated.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155990}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261703.7001841, "message": "railscasts.com", "group_id": 109, "id": 155976}, {"user_id": 2714, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261797.540796, "message": "Ah.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155984}, {"user_id": 1202, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298260987.079468, "message": "As in websites with sample code, screencasts, etc...", "group_id": 109, "id": 155950}, {"user_id": 2714, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261935.8510489, "message": "@hamiltop I've seen a few people who picked up Rails books, learned how to use Rails, and never realize that Ruby is what Rails is made of.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155986}, {"user_id": 7794, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298261746.471168, "message": "and http://pragprog.com/titles/rails4/agile-web-development-with-rails", "group_id": 109, "id": 155979}, {"user_id": 1202, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262151.814579, "message": "@hamiltop @krainboltgreene Thanks for sharing the links.  I'll begin looking them over tonight.", "group_id": 109, "id": 155989}, {"user_id": 1202, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262563.3578041, "message": "I'm already loving the vast amount of resources available to Ruby developers", "group_id": 109, "id": 156005}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262312.656409, "message": "To half-quote https://convore.com/python/what-are-the-benefits-of-using-django-over-rails/117700/, learning Rails is not learning Ruby, it's learning ActiveSupport. Which, along with the annoying way Rails totally overshadows the language as a whole, is a disservice to Ruby IMO", "group_id": 109, "id": 155994}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262548.0631039, "message": "To actually contribute: http://codekata.pragprog.com/2007/01/code_kata_backg.html is in my bookmarks as a good plain-Ruby learning resource, similar to the Koans I believe", "group_id": 109, "id": 156003}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262572.1336989, "message": "haven't run them myself but author \"PragDave\" is a smart guy with great creds", "group_id": 109, "id": 156006}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262604.9732361, "message": "@lyetz Also, if you're not allergic to reading, The Ruby Way (Addison-Wesley) is a great book", "group_id": 109, "id": 156009}, {"user_id": 1202, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298262778.8508489, "message": "I think this literature will be beneficial for people like me.  For those who prefer screencasts, check out http://peepcode.com and http://membership.thinkvitamin.com.  They're great videos, although like I said, reading feels a bit more comfortable for me.", "group_id": 109, "id": 156021}, {"user_id": 6612, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298279839.8495641, "message": "Another great way to learn is reading other people's code on GitHub.", "group_id": 109, "id": 157305}, {"user_id": 6612, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298279807.287715, "message": "Another vote for 'The Well Grounded Rubyist', allot of people recommend the PickAxe but the way I see it that's more of a reference book. Either way you have to make up your own exercise/kata since both books don't really have any.", "group_id": 109, "id": 157303}, {"user_id": 1729, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298312824.6915009, "message": "http://TryRuby.org is a great interactive tutorial for learning Ruby.", "group_id": 109, "id": 160778}, {"user_id": 1729, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298312876.526315, "message": "http://RailsForZombies.org is cool, but it's specifically Rails.", "group_id": 109, "id": 160828}, {"user_id": 1094, "stars": [{"date_created": 1300795542.878757, "user_id": 16058}], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298434938.645406, "message": "Rails is good to study to learn Ruby. By that I mean, study the Rails source. Excellent use of Ruby to build a\u2026 very Pythonic framework (doing things the one true way) \u2026ducks.", "group_id": 109, "id": 185720}, {"user_id": 1855, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298517240.61362, "message": "being opinionated has its pro/cons", "group_id": 109, "id": 195001}, {"user_id": 1363, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298527074.495162, "message": "Look at all the Rails haters in here, haha. It may be painful to admit, but Rails is mostly responsible for Ruby's current success and the way that most Ruby developers get into the language.", "group_id": 109, "id": 195654}, {"user_id": 3054, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298635478.769546, "message": "Add Mr. Neighbourly's Humble Little Ruby Book to the list - http://www.humblelittlerubybook.com/", "group_id": 109, "id": 207332}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1298644087.2406759, "message": "@arania I'm curious (maybe I didn't look enough on the site) what does the Humble Little book offer over the Poignant Guide? Both seem to be in the same exact vein. Is Humble just more up to date or something?", "group_id": 109, "id": 208028}, {"user_id": 23325, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1300787935.9481881, "message": "It's about balance. In the same way many Drupal developers don't learn much about the state of the art in PHP. Depends if you want to be a Rails developer (ie just get paid) or a Ruby hacker (in which case you probably know more than one language in any case).", "group_id": 109, "id": 406114}, {"user_id": 23325, "stars": [], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1300788967.8928349, "message": "I think always start the same way...think of something you want to build and start building it. That will dictate the tools you need - then you need to install them, so deal with that barrier, then the problems around what you want to create. Then refine your skills forever.", "group_id": 109, "id": 406183}, {"user_id": 15236, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302096598.2849741, "user_id": 16047}], "topic_id": 7772, "date_created": 1301668925.588841, "message": "+1 for http://rubykoans.com/  It's a must!", "group_id": 109, "id": 501995}]