convore.json/groups/symphony-wg/development-roadmap/messages.json

[{"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785782.7901299, "message": "him*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684038}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784335.247237, "message": "at least under this plan, yes.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683669}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784651.5360119, "message": "well, maybe not", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683754}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783771.7133019, "message": "Gr, sorry folks. Started this chat in the wrong place", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683497}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783771.9243331, "message": "Hello!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683498}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783798.2804911, "message": "Hi", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683501}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783880.642338, "message": "instead of trying to fulfill everyone's greatest dreams and desires off the bat with 3.0", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683524}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783897.183038, "message": "This is nightmare for us to develop; test and it's a massive, long commitment for all of us.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683527}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783984.8303771, "message": "Hello guys", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683541}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784999.0657649, "message": "big things get scheduled for major releases", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683806}, {"user_id": 26941, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785021.2849281, "message": "Updating without too much hassle would be great. It's terrible for business to tell clients that you can not update their website without actually re-building it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683811}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785445.3396981, "message": "so I think it depends on exactly what we mean, and exactly what we're talking about leaving off the table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683941}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785531.0546269, "message": "or what?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683966}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785636.901088, "message": "I'm not sure how we do that without, you know, doing it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683988}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783993.161793, "message": "a bit like Ubuntu", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683547}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784092.7967131, "message": ":P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683586}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783849.3591249, "message": "so to get S3 released, he suggested picking a few key things we'd like to deliver, and then roadmapping the rest", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683516}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783888.4330549, "message": "The main reason behind this is that we have a lot of ideas, suggestions and feedback, and we're now at risk at not wanting to release S3 because it's been so hyped until every one is included.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683526}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783926.8739679, "message": "January is going to be a tricky month, given that most of us celebrate the arbitrary holidays of \"old dude giving out present\" day and \"earth orbiting the sun in one full revolution\" day.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683530}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784100.3789649, "message": "I can only count to 4", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683590}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784145.3481331, "message": "might not be in context without it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683605}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784359.7072661, "message": "yeah, we gotta be loose about this in a way, because technology moves fast", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683683}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784375.4615681, "message": "Isn't that counterproductive?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683689}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784385.8357661, "message": "why do you have major releases at all?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683695}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784441.2472739, "message": "wouldn't it make sense to have a point release every 3 months until there is need to integrate bigger changes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683717}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783795.9825721, "message": "Hi there.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683500}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784322.7876489, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683664}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783805.6061461, "message": "Brendan's just finished suggesting an aggressive development cycle where we release a new major version each year, with quarterly point releases", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683502}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784316.1235559, "message": "but the plan is to lessen the changes post S3, so consequent releases won't have difficulty in upgrading/migration", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683663}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784322.954397, "message": "well I mean, the massive backend and API changes in S3, it's unlikely you'll be able to port an S2 site to S3 easily", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683665}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784749.7622299, "message": "ok", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683771}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784983.61202, "message": "yep", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683800}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783976.658664, "message": "Sounds like a plan", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683538}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783990.4141431, "message": "Hi Nils", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683545}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783993.3769131, "message": "hey", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683548}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784294.123389, "message": "I'll need to check back what you said but I understood it as that the architecture of S2 to S3 is great", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683659}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784977.1699059, "message": "with a predictable schedule, we'd be able to route changes more effectively", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683799}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784988.395088, "message": "little things go into point releases", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683802}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785503.714766, "message": "most of the stuff we've laid out in fact", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683960}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785865.729681, "message": "I'd like to see these become regularized too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684072}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785941.0235989, "message": "but there would be a couple of key events for each cycle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684087}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784050.152621, "message": "so in theory here we'd go 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683574}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784058.376018, "message": "not including maintenance releases", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683577}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784084.1528361, "message": "figured I'd spell that out in case you guys haven't learned to count and such", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683584}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784418.642019, "message": "the idea is simply that we should try to keep changes like S2-S3 to a minimum", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683709}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785343.5309701, "message": "depends, in my view", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683907}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784178.3674569, "message": "just summarize what you're responding to. I don't think there's any way for me to migrate that.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683622}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784382.008877, "message": "what?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683693}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784741.4152269, "message": "no, carry on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683768}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785813.4592559, "message": "but that's neither here nor there", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684050}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785889.8768489, "message": "the proceeds on a schedule set by the release cycle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684079}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785996.845124, "message": "open to the community, team and WGs encouraged to be there", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684104}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783817.641582, "message": "early and often, as they say", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683508}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785129.0485611, "message": "Okay", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683837}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785235.086612, "message": "go for it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683872}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785321.1995981, "message": "yep", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683899}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785324.1825049, "message": "Ok", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683900}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785781.4408741, "message": "The priority of Brendan's time will move away from S2 as much of the architecting of the core will need hi", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684036}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783952.096499, "message": "doesn't have to be Jan", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683531}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783965.821243, "message": "should start whenever we're ready to deliver 3.0", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683535}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784008.298306, "message": "any comments or objections on the yearly/quarterly model?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683556}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784153.0509319, "message": "without what?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683607}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784314.7481251, "message": "he's saying it's fine that 3 totally breaks compatibility with 2", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683662}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784344.1994669, "message": "but if the time comes for revolution, we'll consider that then", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683673}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784369.5645499, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683688}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784544.9965219, "message": "also, we could end up where we are now...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683735}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783960.8112359, "message": "but otherwise, frequent and yearly releases are good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683533}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302783991.057632, "message": "Yeah doesn't have to be Jan, it's just an idea that jQuery follow. They like to give everyone a Christmas present ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683546}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784018.2361281, "message": "bear in mind maintenance releases could happen in between if necessary", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683562}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784029.1299319, "message": "just a question: point releases are 3.x?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683564}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784033.762018, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683568}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784141.1238511, "message": "The point which I wanted to discuss is to do with what Brendan said on the other room", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683604}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784206.612905, "message": "The idea is that we are more responsible between releases, so the massive change between S2 and S3 is fair less", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683631}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784393.6518991, "message": "if they don't break compatibility", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683698}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784436.9803841, "message": "it's not that the major releases won't introduce big changes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683716}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784564.5026751, "message": "because that's a feature worthy of S4, and it would introduce a couple of changes you'd think to do with extensions then marking their compatibilites and what not", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683740}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784597.605768, "message": "Essentially, a very real issue we are having now is the effort put behind S2 and 3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683745}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784620.947989, "message": "my concern is that S3 will be released and it will have a very slow uptake because it's difficult to move an S2 site to S3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683748}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784622.401715, "message": "S2 will have the benefit of nearly 300 extensions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683749}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784678.7248759, "message": "@czheng: okay, I'm listening", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683761}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784845.8788531, "message": "I am weary of codebases splintering, so having new major versions provide close compatibility is a plus. By 'close' I mean, potentially breaks things but could be updated without too much hassle.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683782}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784207.6852601, "message": "so that developers can essentially build a site, and with minimal fuss, keep it maintained to S4", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683633}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784240.8853109, "message": "wait", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683646}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784259.086942, "message": "hm, you mean S2 and S3 is great, but S3 -> S3+ is not right?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683649}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784324.602834, "message": "So we loose the possibility for \"revolutionary\" releases?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683666}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784344.5509191, "message": "that sort of breaking changes should be minimal, and happen less often", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683675}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784527.392179, "message": "for instances, if we focus 3 months ahead at a time, something like different database vendors would never be included", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683732}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784548.495801, "message": "There are implications of breaking backwards compatibility that I want to discuss", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683737}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784652.077328, "message": "So the effect would be that every new major release happens will cause a splinter", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683755}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784908.569885, "message": "To answer Nils' point, new releases will introduce big features. It may or may not break compatibility, but the definition of a major release is not based on compatibility but rather by new feature/concepts/ideas that it brings", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683789}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784917.9704981, "message": "Am I understanding your idea Brendan?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683792}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785018.861505, "message": "That makes sense", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683810}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784465.8764441, "message": "It could very well turn out like that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683719}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784521.6348121, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683731}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784565.943419, "message": "The problem Brendan's proposal solves is a growing concern of mine", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683741}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785144.1656029, "message": "totally agree", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683841}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785286.528187, "message": "So the idea for S3 going forward is getting it to a working order, then introduce new concepts as we go along with our plans for the roadmap. It will not have all the features promised. Furthermore, feature parity between S2 and S3 will not likely happen soon.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683890}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785290.2270229, "message": "Is this all correct?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683891}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785700.9986379, "message": "So we need to discuss resource sharing between S2 and S3. There is an urgent need for S3 development as we need to migrate the technology to a new base. This base is to address limitations that cannot be solved in S2.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684008}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785715.3729589, "message": "This is a S3 discussion", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684011}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784505.631628, "message": "But if you keep that mindframe of just 'point releases' every 3 months, then you start to loose track of some of the bigger ideas", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683726}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784627.7377591, "message": "The Symphony website will eventually also have to support these two version that have very little similar coding DNA", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683750}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785159.218606, "message": "the biggest point I want to get from this is that everyone knows what we are working on, and where we are going", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683843}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785162.964853, "message": "Brendan touched on this", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683844}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785497.881897, "message": "language, relationships and core API are things that need to be done from the groundup", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683957}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785507.186029, "message": "totally agree", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683961}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785041.7228551, "message": "maintaining compatibility is a great ideal, but if and when it's going to limit our evolution or require lots of cruft added to the system, we should be wary", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683816}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785060.117543, "message": "So I guess it's the plan to have a major release every 12 month but it it takes 15 months, that's okay too, right?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683820}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785423.6994369, "message": "the problem is this: just getting to working order in many cases means just implementing the lowest common denominator which, when we decide to implement what we really wanted, will mean breaking compatibility", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683933}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785625.2120781, "message": "S3 is meant to be a revolutionary release where even the most basic things are reconsidered. Core API, code architecture, etc.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683984}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785920.944798, "message": "obviously, all along the way, discussions are happening, bugs being filed, etc", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684086}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786070.315912, "message": "proposal is prepared summarizing all the changes and fixes for that release and that is circulated to WGs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684130}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786384.612309, "message": "I have no problem with that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684195}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787112.045785, "message": "you got an hour :O", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684421}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302784994.5988989, "message": "The counterpoint to this that I'm seeing is that keeping close compatibility may limit the scope of new possibilities. If we need to uproot the DB system, etc. how would we avoid this issue?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683805}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785007.1909511, "message": "yes, i was going to say", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683807}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785466.2680681, "message": "Ok", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683948}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785488.873955, "message": "core things like relationships, multilingual and static page solutions, extensions management, all needs to work", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683954}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785497.036154, "message": "field architecture", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683956}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785686.0358579, "message": "Would like to keep the discussion moving", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684002}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785737.9210081, "message": "so no need to get into this particular topic, but thought we should be aware", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684022}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785782.318238, "message": "you mean things like task assignment, etc?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684037}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785986.406296, "message": "not to do any concrete planning, but just a place to air ideas and grievances", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684099}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786044.7204399, "message": "after that, WG has a chat to scope the release.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684120}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786430.8691521, "message": "a great example of this is #608 on the issue tracker", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684211}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786690.683522, "message": "Nick, re: democracy, yes, that's the idea of the funnel", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684289}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786824.312932, "message": "Allen?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684330}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786831.000623, "message": "All good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684334}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786844.033406, "message": "Brilliant. Thanks all for dropping in.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684337}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786858.4178259, "message": "That's the second meeting I've kept to about an hour. Getting good at this ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684343}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786929.9942729, "message": "Just like to add that we're still on track for a 2.2.1 RC1 on Monday unless anyone has major objections", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684364}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786449.384361, "message": "(i.e. Allen/Craig as product owners/managers)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684215}, {"user_id": 26941, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785039.3699689, "message": "That is the case with 1.7 and 2.x.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683815}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785080.814013, "message": "(having 3.4 instead)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683826}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785806.446686, "message": "we should perhaps appoint a maintainer for S2", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684048}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785873.2624731, "message": "I have in mind a sort of funnel format", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684075}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785893.455792, "message": "so...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684080}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786145.3486519, "message": "this helps in a few ways:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684143}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786174.2310281, "message": "1) clarifies things for us at every point in the process, which in turn makes it easier for us to communicate our plans", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684150}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785102.3868439, "message": "i wouldn't mind that. what's important is regularity, not rigidity", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683831}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785121.4732809, "message": "I think that's good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683836}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785141.339633, "message": "any other thoughts before we move on?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683840}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785691.7439549, "message": "sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684006}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785963.8906691, "message": "beginning of cycle, a completely open chat", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684095}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786084.224607, "message": "couple of days to discuss and then it's set", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684134}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786113.600261, "message": "after that, any additional changes/requests queue for the next cycle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684142}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786197.148272, "message": "2) guards against scope creep in any given release because the agenda's set near the beginning of the cycle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684153}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785099.730212, "message": "I think it's important to have a flexible roadmap", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683830}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785184.845696, "message": "Let me know if I have the floor", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683856}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785657.824507, "message": "That's fine. I was meaning more about the existing S3 codebase and what of it are we going to use", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683995}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786509.0590651, "message": "Nils, re: forum, well I'm leaning toward moving the issues back to Github atm, so we'd have to think about how to handle feature requests on the site", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684234}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786645.383774, "message": "also, there are lots of other interactional issues with that field that this might touch on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684278}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786670.6174481, "message": "I think we're all good with this. Shall we move on?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684282}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785569.761533, "message": "Can we discuss how far back do we want to take the S3 discussion? How much of what we have now can be used and what will be new?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683971}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786738.0770171, "message": "yeah, if there are no other questions or concerns, we can wrap up", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684302}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785114.3420219, "message": "right, that's what I wanted to know", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683835}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785156.073842, "message": "So the other thing I wanted to discuss is setting the expectation of what S3 really is", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683842}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785343.3608601, "message": "of course while we are getting it to working order, we'll take note of doing it 'more right'", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683906}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785368.3057449, "message": "I have two thoughts. Will share after Craig.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683915}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785462.874239, "message": "yeah that's important", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683944}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785473.244977, "message": "like we shouldn't restore Lang to how it is now", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683949}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785479.375926, "message": "and then work backwards to fix it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683950}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785644.588877, "message": "Right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683992}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785518.3291509, "message": "so you're talking more 'featury features'?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683965}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785818.100781, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684053}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786235.1608429, "message": "3) provides an opportunity for non-WG members to participate, at least nominally, in release planning. Have their voices heard. Be part of the process.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684158}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786566.9079089, "message": "I think a version of that may be a helpful model for us to follow", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684255}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785679.897716, "message": "No need to answer that question right now though, just thought I should float that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 683999}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785690.3459489, "message": "So my two points", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684005}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786428.7661171, "message": "will there be a special category for this?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684210}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786450.7753, "message": "Nils, re:hotfixes, yeah maintenance releases don't have to obey this schedule", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684216}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786699.3577631, "message": "starts open but closes over time", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684293}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787208.427079, "message": "Done and done.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684453}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787354.994262, "message": "lol... I see what you all are doing", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684484}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785790.7155001, "message": "ok, i see", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684041}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785792.55216, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684043}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785842.782124, "message": "Ok, next thing to discuss is release procedures...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684061}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302785813.3206611, "message": "I'd like to make the WG aware is all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684049}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786897.4038169, "message": "Brendan, thanks for all the thought you put into the release proposal", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684351}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786922.326834, "message": "Thanks dude", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684362}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786996.544378, "message": "I have lots next week", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684387}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787068.4907551, "message": "Brendan? I know it's late night for you...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684408}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787173.0429461, "message": "same", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684445}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786636.7030931, "message": "@craig yeah I was leaning that way", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684274}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786746.228317, "message": "Sweet", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684305}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787157.338372, "message": "No preference", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684439}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786273.6406159, "message": "I should mention that, of course, the major release cycle will overlap the others to some extent", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684165}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786287.9753129, "message": "I like this idea, it's something I've tried to do recently in Basecamp, but it has really been a democratic process by any means", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684167}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786302.3527279, "message": "I like this", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684169}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786312.0122559, "message": "It would be great to make sure that hotfix releases can be made available within 24 hours", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684172}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786316.8462181, "message": "right. I just like the idea of having set procedures. clear. transparent.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684174}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786325.4584939, "message": "well", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684176}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786326.2834301, "message": "How to handle sporadic pull requests by the community? \"I just added this cool new feature! Pull?\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684177}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786336.0334859, "message": "If it ain't on the roadmap, it ain't coming in?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684182}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786351.687371, "message": "they'd get queued for discussion at the beginning of the next release cycle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684186}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786355.8343041, "message": "it hasn't*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684187}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786374.217525, "message": "Righto.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684192}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786385.6367791, "message": "that discussion could decide to pull it, deny it, or schedule it for later", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684198}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786398.2419939, "message": "this is the WG discussion, not the open one", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684202}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786405.2163069, "message": "to an extent", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684203}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786420.8730609, "message": "How can forum members make a feature request?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684207}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786425.0333371, "message": "Just so long as everything doesnt become democratised, else nothing will get done. There would need to be individuals responsible for making final decisions IMHO", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684209}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786459.9821601, "message": "because 2.2.1 is so close to RC, I'm very hesitant to introduce it, yet I can see that's it a valid feature/request", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684220}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786774.9166751, "message": "I will prepare our proposal and submit to the WGs within the next few days", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684312}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787084.0585129, "message": "10pm?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684414}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787095.605551, "message": "yeah whatever time we started", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684417}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786806.224534, "message": "Nope", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684321}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786974.9669421, "message": "Next up, Core API and Data Formats. Would like to do both of those by Wednesday next week.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684381}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787025.7581451, "message": "for those I'll circulate a more official agenda beforehand", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684398}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787033.1009929, "message": "deadline date", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684400}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786552.9377699, "message": "Posting this just as a reference", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684248}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786911.33953, "message": "Hehe", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684358}, {"user_id": 26941, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787340.7204461, "message": "See you.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684481}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786554.2489369, "message": "http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684249}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786824.737103, "message": "I've got a couple of ideas for Lang that I'd like to formalise and get floated to WG's soon too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684331}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786942.3138981, "message": "so I hope you've all had time for some testing ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684368}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786946.258837, "message": "Woop", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684370}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787285.5789089, "message": "kthxbi", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684472}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786601.046494, "message": "Brendan, re: 608, feels like it should wait. Introduces a behavioral change we'll want to test properly", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684265}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786786.5311401, "message": "anything else anyone wants to raise?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684317}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787051.8732691, "message": "this time seems to work for everyone?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684402}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787312.9533479, "message": "tsch\u00fc\u00df", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684477}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787372.317183, "message": "\u518d\u898b", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684488}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786577.6151061, "message": "(this is from a forum thread)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684258}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787127.73333, "message": "or vice versa", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684429}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787230.3125601, "message": "Thanks everyone", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684457}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787083.6463151, "message": "Time suits me, is my lunch hour so I can concentrate without the usual agency distractions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684413}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787009.1366701, "message": "ok, good to know", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684393}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786856.511996, "message": "Wow, that was nice and brief", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684342}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787021.7233601, "message": "I can do same time next Weds. Is the date set on BC, or is that the deadline date?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684397}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787306.309953, "message": "bye", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684475}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786979.416954, "message": "So free up your time boys", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684383}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302786998.9022751, "message": "Will do my best to keep those to 60-90 minutes.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684388}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787006.0398281, "message": "of free time that is", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684389}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787114.9875619, "message": "if it does, it'd be nice to do Tues and Wed next week", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684422}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787058.4455349, "message": "Does for me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684404}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787104.3138139, "message": "Yeah it's ok, I have soccer 8.15pm, so will be home about 9:45", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684418}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787124.2227161, "message": "Core API and then Data Formats", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684424}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787300.4890831, "message": "cya", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684474}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 19387, "date_created": 1302787300.462379, "message": "Thanks, ciao.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 684473}]