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[{"user_id": 798, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277687.203244, "message": "@leah  you should always do what's best for the user, not what's easier for the company :)", "group_id": 142, "id": 52061}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297274972.899647, "message": "interesting article.. I would like to hear peoples opinion on this matter.. as it definitely pertains to convore's interests ;)", "group_id": 142, "id": 51423}, {"user_id": 4, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297274866.0745211, "message": "http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/html5-versus-native-apps/", "group_id": 142, "id": 51413}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297275120.460912, "message": "Yeah, it's a tough one to call, there *are* advantages to HTML5 though", "group_id": 142, "id": 51435}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297275519.3926909, "message": "It's usually always a tradeoff between writing one thing and having it all work on many platforms, and having it work really well on each individual platform.", "group_id": 142, "id": 51466}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297277386.9892521, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297277840.4263361, "user_id": 159}, {"date_created": 1297278196.5287681, "user_id": 4}, {"date_created": 1297338740.5274279, "user_id": 5350}, {"date_created": 1298093265.4327741, "user_id": 12}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277375.2676229, "message": "I think it's about whether something is easier for the company (html5) vs. better for the user (native)", "group_id": 142, "id": 51928}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277198.8143389, "message": "am not sure why there is so much debate about this. It's pretty simple, If your target user base is mobile users and your feature set needs more than the browser can provide, you go native else you go HTML5.", "group_id": 142, "id": 51873}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277848.2759521, "message": "@iggym I definitely agree.  When it comes to what the user sees, I'm a fan of \"do it right or don't do it at all.\"", "group_id": 142, "id": 52141}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297278204.6415341, "user_id": 4}, {"date_created": 1297338740.527952, "user_id": 5350}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277560.212918, "message": "additionally native apps are not a fad, there's maybe half a billion users with iOS and Android devices so eventually you will need to do native apps if you are serious about mobile. Investing in iOS and Android development at this point is not optional, it is mandatory, because iOS and Android won't disappear soon, so the sooner you invest in this technologies, the better. To be relevant today you will have to develop an iOS app and an Android app because native mobile development is probably as important as the web, maybe even more important as Eric Schmidt says \"Mobile first\"...", "group_id": 142, "id": 52009}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297278096.111073, "message": "@iggym Very true", "group_id": 142, "id": 52275}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297277938.5775721, "user_id": 2}, {"date_created": 1297338772.5856791, "user_id": 5350}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297277879.622834, "message": "I actually think Alex Payne had a pretty good blog post about this, which explored both sides: http://al3x.net/2011/01/15/user-hostile-platforms.html", "group_id": 142, "id": 52160}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297278093.4879439, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297278082.149965, "message": "@ericflo and we obviously can't forget why most people do native: there are more feasible business models when you go native, it is easier to sell an app than it is to sell a subscription.....nice article", "group_id": 142, "id": 52266}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297278563.896631, "message": "MG Siegler on HTML5 vs Native see:  HTML5 Is a Train, Native Apps, are a Rocket Ship http://t.co/rkeIUKM", "group_id": 142, "id": 52502}, {"user_id": 818, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297278676.7919459, "message": "ok", "group_id": 142, "id": 52553}, {"user_id": 2086, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297283768.5708749, "message": "HTML5 is the future of GUIs, but native apps per platform are the way to go", "group_id": 142, "id": 55172}, {"user_id": 45, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297284564.042196, "message": "@iggym You can do a lot of html5 inside application kind of stuff though for the best of both worlds, the OKCupid iOS app is a good example of that, though its not a pay-for app", "group_id": 142, "id": 55737}, {"user_id": 2299, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297289319.3708689, "message": "@iggym there is a middle ground, you can build an html5 app and wrap it inside phonegap for example to sell it on the market", "group_id": 142, "id": 58685}, {"user_id": 2890, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297289540.7623401, "message": "@patcito Don't expect too much from that. If your app is above medium complexity don't bet on it.", "group_id": 142, "id": 58823}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297293127.0878091, "message": "@zac good point, about building a hybrid though i agree with @tudorizer that if your app is not simple you really should consider a native solution", "group_id": 142, "id": 59812}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298788895.465415, "user_id": 4172}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297293234.6841781, "message": "@markessien HTML5 is the future of GUIs for the web, but native UIs are not going anywhere :)", "group_id": 142, "id": 59836}, {"user_id": 2654, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297295235.235508, "message": "@leah wouldn't native be worse for users, because you're not including many users to the same experience across all platforms.   Long term we already know vendor lock in is worse for everybody.", "group_id": 142, "id": 60470}, {"user_id": 2, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297295903.419646, "message": "@zoidberg I agree that vendor lock in is bad... :(", "group_id": 142, "id": 60705}, {"user_id": 3274, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297295917.608597, "user_id": 2}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297295891.6381891, "message": "One difference is that HTML5 is a standard, so while it's going to be ubiquitous, it can not change very quickly, there are standard committees to go through, browser makers have to implement etc. Instead native platforms are proprietary, so they can change on a whim. Jobs wants a gyro on the thing? Add gyro API, ship, done. Try to do that with HTML5. Since mobile is changing so fast now, the advantage is to the apps, but on the desktop, which is more mature, most things can be done in HTML5. Once smartphones reach a certain degree of maturity my guess is the pendulum will swing again toward the standard solution.", "group_id": 142, "id": 60701}, {"user_id": 45, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297298894.739769, "message": "well, the iPhone has a way to make calls in Javascript out to the application container, but then you're back to the issue of having to at least rewrite all those calls for each platform", "group_id": 142, "id": 61827}, {"user_id": 4214, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297455289.568917, "message": "I agree with piccolbo. In the meanwhile it's fun learning all the CANs and CAN'Ts of each technology.  I rather do programming in HTML5. Here is an example of a demo app for HTML5 (around min 1:15)  http://vimeo.com/19817986", "group_id": 142, "id": 82879}, {"user_id": 798, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297459857.701216, "message": "@piccolbo you are right about the problems of standards driven technologies but we can't use that as an excuse any more, we should always strive to deliver the best user experiences that are possible for the moment. Most solutions that we are developing today will have a usable life that is less than one year, so the best strategy is probably a hybrid solution that evolves with the needs of the users.", "group_id": 142, "id": 83723}, {"user_id": 249, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297463843.7483809, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1297467039.6593161, "user_id": 5350}, {"date_created": 1297473209.138797, "user_id": 798}, {"date_created": 1297520919.5319231, "user_id": 874}, {"date_created": 1298788875.12498, "user_id": 4172}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297463795.029609, "message": "Honestly the 'write once deploy everywhere' has always been a pipe dream that  rarely works out. If you're a business that's serious about mobile, the investment in writing your app native is trivial. There's consultants and small studios that will gladly be your iOS department for not a whole lot of cash.", "group_id": 142, "id": 84444}, {"user_id": 7907, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297585218.3110149, "message": "hello?", "group_id": 142, "id": 88895}, {"user_id": 8459, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297605791.0996261, "message": "this is an interesting piece from facebook CTO - http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/27/facebook-bret-taylor/ - basically they are sick of having to push to 7 dif platforms and would love to make html5 work", "group_id": 142, "id": 90911}, {"user_id": 11933, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298788879.511205, "user_id": 4172}], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1297885686.2045469, "message": "Ooh, I love and hate this debate. HTML5 is great for the web, but for mobile apps native is the way to go. Just look at facebook on the iPhone. Everyone uses the app, not mobile safari.  For better or worse, native is it. Also, I think 37signals completely went away from their mantra -- what's better for customers is a native experience.  37 signals chose what was easiest for them, not easiest for customers.  They lost my 3 figure per month business. I removed our stuff yesterday for this and other reasons.", "group_id": 142, "id": 123415}, {"user_id": 4172, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1298788887.8278749, "message": "@piccolbo sure it is", "group_id": 142, "id": 216697}, {"user_id": 4172, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1298788864.2639749, "message": "good", "group_id": 142, "id": 216696}, {"user_id": 35065, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307098255.385565, "message": "Help me out", "group_id": 142, "id": 1276268}, {"user_id": 35065, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307098313.6281481, "message": "please let me about taylor convory", "group_id": 142, "id": 1276272}, {"user_id": 35065, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307098343.1951859, "message": "How to create an website using Html 5 and php, mysql", "group_id": 142, "id": 1276278}, {"user_id": 34718, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307143608.9925151, "message": "@seanmeverett I agree that 37signals made the wrong decision. And, they only made a mobile web app of basecamp! what about backpack? moving to Podio or ActionMethod ....", "group_id": 142, "id": 1282773}, {"user_id": 35157, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307164777.6768579, "message": "@Dank565 nnn", "group_id": 142, "id": 1284625}, {"user_id": 34781, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307171429.6348851, "message": "I had this conversation [yet again] recently with a colleague. Working on iPhone apps I see the HUGE difference between the result quality. With HTML5 let's talk about the lack of the look, feel and responsiveness, the build size being HUGE compared to native [remember, the UI must be built out mostly with images [some css] so instead of compiling obj-c to make a UITabBar you need to add in a bunch of images/image states etc. Being already compiling vs. run time compilation is a huge issue when you are working on a processor with far less capacity than a desktop. Basically I feel as if HTML5 is a crutch for those that can't. You could argue that building one time [mostly] for several platforms is superior ... but the quality is awful.", "group_id": 142, "id": 1285015}, {"user_id": 22988, "stars": [], "topic_id": 1986, "date_created": 1307314689.511812, "message": "size and performance argument is really good.", "group_id": 142, "id": 1297133}]