convore.json/groups/techcrunch/would-you-say-its-realistic-to-hope-for-a-co-founder-who-does-both-frontend-and-backend/messages.json

[{"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586098.772248, "message": "I'd help with programming, too, but I wouldn't want a sub-par product", "group_id": 142, "id": 88948}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586279.1188929, "message": "I'm backend, @leah does backend but also more frontend than I do, and @etmaguire is mostly frontend", "group_id": 142, "id": 88958}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586317.660346, "message": "@etmaguire doesn't really do much development", "group_id": 142, "id": 88962}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586158.924638, "message": "your official ones at least", "group_id": 142, "id": 88952}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586036.0962911, "message": "I'm pretty squarely a backend developer, but I've definitely done a bunch of random CSS for Convore", "group_id": 142, "id": 88944}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586087.316282, "message": "I know there are people out there who do both. What I'm wondering, I guess, is whether it's too much to hope for that they'd be fine with taking on the full development while I take on design, product development perhaps and sales", "group_id": 142, "id": 88947}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586296.1343031, "message": "so no non-programmers", "group_id": 142, "id": 88960}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586361.6738801, "message": "well that much I can do, I guess :P", "group_id": 142, "id": 88966}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586426.4743559, "message": "thanks", "group_id": 142, "id": 88970}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297585942.2188079, "message": "I'm a designer. Although I do know basic frontend and backend, I'm not good enough to create good architecture. Do you think the idea/vision, the design and perhaps sales are enough hats to wear?", "group_id": 142, "id": 88938}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586344.0972321, "message": "Well, that's not fair, he does template work which means some programming like loops and conditionals and stuff.", "group_id": 142, "id": 88965}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586009.97119, "message": "In my experience in a startup everyone learns to do a little bit of everything.", "group_id": 142, "id": 88940}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586062.5265319, "message": "I'm not a business guy, but I've responded to press inquirys", "group_id": 142, "id": 88945}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586077.9913781, "message": "So, I think it's just reasonable to expect everyone will dabble in everything", "group_id": 142, "id": 88946}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586111.6408291, "message": "I don't think that's unreasonable at all.", "group_id": 142, "id": 88949}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586149.8883541, "message": "what are your roles, roughly?", "group_id": 142, "id": 88951}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586391.532547, "message": "just hoping someone will be fine with taking the bulk of the development work", "group_id": 142, "id": 88969}, {"user_id": 1, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586442.1236629, "message": "I'm just one opinion, I hope others chime in too :)", "group_id": 142, "id": 88971}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297586541.8465741, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586462.0192101, "message": "hope so too, seems like this is getting a lot of traction", "group_id": 142, "id": 88972}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297587107.8065519, "message": "Ok, so to all the developers out there. This is the scenario: There's a designer with a vision of a product, which you like. The designer can't code perfectly so the bulk of both the client-side and the server-side development will be left to you. The designer already developed the idea beforehand, and though he continues to develop it and sell it now, the load of the work to make the idea reality is on your shoulders. Would you be fine with an equal partnership?", "group_id": 142, "id": 89006}, {"user_id": 3019, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297587212.361743, "message": "Yes", "group_id": 142, "id": 89013}, {"user_id": 3019, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297586818.4264901, "user_id": 1}], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297586804.732795, "message": "Yes it's reasonable, they are out thee.", "group_id": 142, "id": 88987}, {"user_id": 1482, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297610562.9883361, "message": "No it isn't at all, I do both and with ease, the question is, your skills have to be pretty awesome too to attract such a person", "group_id": 142, "id": 91433}, {"user_id": 6690, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297612121.4622221, "message": "Anything is reasonable to hope for. You search for the perfect match for the role but have to be accepting of the co-founders you find during your search and pick the one that is the best match and how fits your minimum criteria in each area of their role. You can't search forever and you can't take somebody who is going to sink the ship.", "group_id": 142, "id": 91495}, {"user_id": 1363, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297631336.825824, "message": "As someone who does both frontend and backend, I'd say you have a much better shot if you do have design skills. The one thing you can't be is purely a business/marketing guy unless you have money or a good track record. (See http://whartoniteseekscodemonkey.tumblr.com/ )", "group_id": 142, "id": 93687}, {"user_id": 9013, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297631795.1267321, "message": "Frontend as in CSS, Javascript, and an eye for usability\u2014no problem. Finding someone who can code and draw is probably harder.", "group_id": 142, "id": 93774}, {"user_id": 7867, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297634836.9373119, "message": "I can code good html and css, and am currently learning javascript and then jquery (figured I should have a good base). The thing is, since I haven't been coding my whole life, I don't really SPEAK the language like most programmers do. Things take me ages and are probably not as efficient as they could be. The design part is easy for me, and the business part is very much a work in progress. Thanks for all the answers, any more feedback will also be appreciated.", "group_id": 142, "id": 94126}, {"user_id": 1363, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297637362.525038, "message": "If you can write html/css/javascript you're all set. You might have to learn just enough application code to be able to wire up the templates, but I don't think you'll have a problem with that :)", "group_id": 142, "id": 94336}, {"user_id": 1363, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1297637426.8978939, "message": "And to be honest, wiring up the templates is the easy part. Coders tend to hate just getting a PSD and \"best wishes\", that's all hehe", "group_id": 142, "id": 94343}, {"user_id": 11864, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298082978.119019, "message": "... never forget: perform in order to shift your limit of performance", "group_id": 142, "id": 148530}, {"user_id": 13355, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298243607.416081, "message": "I'm not very happy writing HTML though I must say ;)", "group_id": 142, "id": 155115}, {"user_id": 13355, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298243549.9130411, "message": "@JoelC I do both frontend (HTML, CSS, jQuery) and backend (Python, Django, Sysadmin) for the startup I'm in. My partner do the design for the site and logos etc. He also do copywriting.", "group_id": 142, "id": 155114}, {"user_id": 4292, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298284129.6673729, "message": "I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation. Infact it will help loads, but I also think that there are cool services like psd2html (http://www.psd2html.com/) that make the transition a bit less painful if you are a guy with limited frontend skills.", "group_id": 142, "id": 157739}, {"user_id": 7376, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298309872.1011231, "user_id": 14022}], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298300426.4787819, "message": "@anderspetersson I can see why he do the copywriting :p", "group_id": 142, "id": 159152}, {"user_id": 2672, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298304464.3373411, "message": "@anderspetersson what's wrong with HTML?", "group_id": 142, "id": 159540}, {"user_id": 2672, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298304411.8285329, "message": "@ericflo thats awesome you guys can do everything like that", "group_id": 142, "id": 159537}, {"user_id": 2672, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298304544.781045, "message": "@ck1125 if your doing static sites that might work well, but when doing app development getting sliced up psds can really bog you down when you make changes later", "group_id": 142, "id": 159544}, {"user_id": 2672, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298386272.6212959, "user_id": 4375}], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1298304610.1749289, "message": "if anyone is really desperate for design help, the best option IMHO is to get an HTML template from themeforest.net or similar. its $10-20 and should give you the proper elements to at least create a MDP", "group_id": 142, "id": 159547}, {"user_id": 20138, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1299805563.3851819, "message": "Design is useless without function", "group_id": 142, "id": 318114}, {"user_id": 25414, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1301096411.6216259, "message": "Yes", "group_id": 142, "id": 443319}, {"user_id": 2025, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4710, "date_created": 1301184497.381088, "message": "Sure, if you're looking to prototype and get to a point where you could get funded and hire people who are better.  Dennis Crowley did some of the coding for FourSquare, then made his first hire rewrite all of of the code he had written.  Get to MVP, see what floats, then go from there!", "group_id": 142, "id": 448706}]