convore.json/groups/design-1/designers-what-would-it-take-for-you-to-join-a-startup-as-a-lead-designer/messages.json

[{"user_id": 6505, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297383237.9902301, "message": "You often hear about entrepreneurs going to bed with tech-cofounders.  If you are a designer, I'm curious if you've ever thought of getting involved in a tech startup and if so what you would look for / need to make that happen for you.", "group_id": 629, "id": 76429}, {"user_id": 10759, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297712748.1764541, "message": "I suppose I need to believe in the people running the startup and be convinced not only that it will grow in time, but that I will also have creative licence to get away with my design choices.", "group_id": 629, "id": 103972}, {"user_id": 11605, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297798391.3319321, "user_id": 581}, {"date_created": 1303158875.8182299, "user_id": 2694}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297797718.051774, "message": "Also: good pay and regular happy hours", "group_id": 629, "id": 113971}, {"user_id": 581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297798408.6824639, "message": "+1 on ability to have a personal life. At least 3/5 working days.", "group_id": 629, "id": 114076}, {"user_id": 581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297797599.9828019, "message": "Absolute trust.", "group_id": 629, "id": 113935}, {"user_id": 581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297797619.3465829, "message": "And 50% lol", "group_id": 629, "id": 113944}, {"user_id": 11605, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297887041.269026, "user_id": 75}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297797483.226867, "message": "It would take a startup that recognizes design is more than just a pretty coating, and no product, no matter how good, can succeed if the user experience is unpleasant or unintuitive.", "group_id": 629, "id": 113915}, {"user_id": 581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1297798416.4823101, "message": "(is it sad that I'd be happy with 3/5?)", "group_id": 629, "id": 114078}, {"user_id": 14046, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298357735.6004951, "user_id": 75}, {"date_created": 1298576316.92611, "user_id": 12525}, {"date_created": 1302784153.1826119, "user_id": 29458}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1298206637.293895, "message": "Most important thing for me is to be 100% passionate about the idea, not point joining in if you're really not that into it or wouldn't use it youself.", "group_id": 629, "id": 153303}, {"user_id": 12363, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1298338667.7102621, "message": "sadly I have been burnt a few times trying this. Most people ditch the design once they have established the brand enough for some junior person to just keep your working going without you.", "group_id": 629, "id": 176414}, {"user_id": 12363, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302784178.2073331, "user_id": 29458}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1298338766.9383199, "message": "ask for a good amount and get it in writing. That way they can't screw you later. It's usually someone you have known for awhile or who you trust, so no matter what get everything in writing. If they don't like that, it's your first indication it's a bad group anyway.", "group_id": 629, "id": 176416}, {"user_id": 17912, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299101011.0921121, "user_id": 581}, {"date_created": 1304169745.753262, "user_id": 1802}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1299100844.4378431, "message": "I'd want to hear see a clear image of what role the designer has in the group's core plan. How does the company plan to use innovation and design thinking? For example, if the founders say \"you're the boss\" that's fine, so long as you don't keep getting cut down by the CEO's wife. Or the other way around \u2014 if design is subservient to the marketing department, than it's best to be said from the start so we can understand how to staff our department and how to operate in general.", "group_id": 629, "id": 253148}, {"user_id": 17550, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1299130280.018697, "message": "For the adventure.", "group_id": 629, "id": 258140}, {"user_id": 11605, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303767918.9024069, "message": "As an aside, I was browsing the Instagram site the other day and liked what they have to say about designer on their jobs page, refreshing when most startups are hell-bent on hiring all the developers they can get their hands on: http://instagram.com/about/jobs/", "group_id": 629, "id": 807646}, {"user_id": 11605, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303767935.72667, "message": "\"We believe that design isn't just about pretty pixels \u2013 it's a full understanding of how the products we build interact with the people that use them.\"", "group_id": 629, "id": 807649}, {"user_id": 30354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303834421.323725, "message": "On the other hand, how does a designer get developers to join him? It's so awkward to go with the 'I'll give you equity!!!!'", "group_id": 629, "id": 816048}, {"user_id": 30354, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303834434.592139, "message": "route when they're doing the brunt of the work", "group_id": 629, "id": 816049}, {"user_id": 29458, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303945419.807142, "message": "I have worked with start-ups and uncertainty is the nature of the beast. Had some good and some bad experiences. To come on full-time, I would need A) a paycheck and B) a belief in what we are trying to accomplish. That being said, I do a lot of spec work to help get projects off the ground that would simply go nowhere without design. But it requires a STRONG B)", "group_id": 629, "id": 833844}, {"user_id": 29458, "stars": [{"date_created": 1303961387.517082, "user_id": 19708}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1303945697.926923, "message": "Beyond A) a paycheck and B) a belief in what we are trying to accomplish, to be successful I need some amount of up-front control of the user experience. You can't give me a finished app/site layout and ask me to insert icons and \"pretty it up\". Design is about a lot more than when to choose a bold or italic font. If the developer appreciates that, and values design, it has a chance.", "group_id": 629, "id": 833901}, {"user_id": 2841, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1304031235.161473, "message": "At least $85k/year, up to 4 weeks of paid vacation and full benefits.", "group_id": 629, "id": 848148}, {"user_id": 37435, "stars": [], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1309689042.0787921, "message": "It depends on whether I thought the person had the experience or perceived ability to deliver on what they're trying to produce.", "group_id": 629, "id": 1551455}, {"user_id": 30894, "stars": [{"date_created": 1314337819.4024689, "user_id": 12525}], "topic_id": 4036, "date_created": 1311986649.084415, "message": "If I am going to sacrifice my salary to work at a startup : a) I would need to look at the history of the founders b)  feel in my bones that founder's vision could become a reality c) healthy stock options d) ability to work long hours..", "group_id": 629, "id": 1751980}]