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[{"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641091.7367971, "message": "I'd like to move my company's site to a more modern foundation, and was thinking Django might be a good choice", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352110}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641146.811501, "message": "but if there's a better book people know about, I'd like to hear what it is", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352112}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641043.228596, "message": "I have an intern working this summer at the company I consult for (http://sandhillecon.com)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352103}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641056.2367129, "message": "and he's interested in learning how to code websites", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352105}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641071.5607071, "message": "he's had some programming experience in school, but based on my conversation with him, not a huge amount", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352107}, {"user_id": 224, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307641129.7747159, "message": "I was wondering what the best introductory Django book is ... a few years ago I went through the free tutorial and it was pretty good", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352111}, {"user_id": 15284, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307644494.0712631, "user_id": 4581}, {"date_created": 1307933037.7700989, "user_id": 5778}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307642257.8826189, "message": "go with the tutorial :-)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352195}, {"user_id": 22713, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307727465.2956071, "user_id": 23707}, {"date_created": 1307933044.8689461, "user_id": 5778}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307642401.8293109, "message": "this is good tutorial https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/intro/tutorial01/", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352211}, {"user_id": 1930, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307642657.774982, "message": "@ericflow has a \"django from the ground up...\" set of videos (and project code on github);  but it probably would help to have more system's concepts for someone who has little programming experience, and essentially no web.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352243}, {"user_id": 1930, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307642765.4166451, "message": "You could help there, with drawing a diagram, overview of MVC terminology, how it relates to 3-tiered (4-tiered) development, how the network falls into a tier boundary, how - in the large - design decisions involve where to put the tiers (e.g. thin vs. thick clients, which - with smart mobiles - we're sort of re-visiting again)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352250}, {"user_id": 1930, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307642890.1058309, "message": "You might want to see how he \"groks\" (for example) @ericflo's post on how convore is architected (all sorts of additional stuff in there - async response considerations), and from that, decide how to approach.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352265}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307644552.0543909, "message": "But, there's still a lot of good info in several books:", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352478}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307644558.2214701, "message": "The Django Book: http://djangobook.com/en/2.0/", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352480}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307644524.9447119, "message": "I'd also recommend starting with the tutorial, especially since it's going to match the current version of Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352470}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307691655.7974081, "user_id": 1930}, {"date_created": 1307727453.08023, "user_id": 23707}, {"date_created": 1308202216.842272, "user_id": 374}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307644665.407532, "message": "I also liked \"Practical Django Projects\" by James Bennet, and \"Python Web Devlopment with Django\" by Forcier, Bissex, Chun.  - they've all got their strong points.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352500}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307644740.1715691, "message": "The big caveat, though, is that the samples from most books won't have been written for the current version of django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1352512}, {"user_id": 12747, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307650768.3013599, "message": "I found ecommerce with Django to be a good read...But are you using 1.2 or 1.3?  Some security related features have changed since these books were published...", "group_id": 81, "id": 1353287}, {"user_id": 12747, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307650894.9320049, "message": "Also, what year is your intern?  I have generally started my interns (high school/college--some never having programmed in python before) with the Django book.  Then afterwards, they tend to prefer to use the online documentation, even though I've supplied them with practical django projects and such if they are interested...", "group_id": 81, "id": 1353315}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307683764.268137, "message": "And by throw I mean \"print\" :) a DeprecationError would kind of stink if it actually halted execution.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1357579}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307727432.484405, "user_id": 23707}, {"date_created": 1308656280.5185289, "user_id": 11352}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307683729.2942729, "message": "@bkmontgomery James' book predates 1.0 as far as I remember; ours (http://withdjango.com) is up to date with 1.0, but obviously doesn't cover any 1.1-1.3 features. So the examples should not break horribly but might throw some DeprecationErrors or whatnot.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1357575}, {"user_id": 889, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307727412.5652161, "user_id": 23707}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307715726.595587, "message": "I just went through a few intro books and found Django Website Development (https://www.packtpub.com/django-1-0-website-development-2nd-edition/book) very good, although it uses django 1.0.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1361304}, {"user_id": 889, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307727417.1427569, "user_id": 23707}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307715832.0196371, "message": "Also, I found the Django 1.1 Testing and Debugging book very helpful as a followup to Django Website Development  https://www.packtpub.com/django-1-1-testing-and-debugging/book", "group_id": 81, "id": 1361314}, {"user_id": 4581, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307721506.9414921, "message": "@bitprophet James' book was updated for Django 1.1 (http://goo.gl/v1TRn). I actually read the original version just as 1.0 came out, and still found it very helpful.  I used your book for a course last fall with 1.2, and it worked out fairly well.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1362364}, {"user_id": 12716, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307816196.9264579, "user_id": 4581}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307729507.0520091, "message": "@bkmontgomery This is the book I used to learn django. I started with the website and then bought the book http://goo.gl/0Ztlo.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1363929}, {"user_id": 12030, "stars": [{"date_created": 1307999673.666522, "user_id": 13806}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307765788.887394, "message": "Dive into Python or Learn Python the hard way. If you don't have a good grasp of Python first, Django just seems like black magic. I started with Django this way, learning both. I wouldn't suggest anyone start that way. Start there then hit the Django tutorials.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1368525}, {"user_id": 35932, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1307807953.6962321, "message": "I recommend Practical Django Projects and after that Pro Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1370324}, {"user_id": 221, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308199259.58693, "message": "James' book, Practical Django Projects all the way.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1407358}, {"user_id": 34431, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308249363.276145, "message": "@chrisjones Definitely learn Python first. I'm in a similar situation in that I learned Django without having a proper idea of how Python works (and the style that goes with it). It makes creating apps (or custom code) difficult as you have to fight with Django as well as struggling with Python", "group_id": 81, "id": 1412571}, {"user_id": 12716, "stars": [{"date_created": 1308656357.3850889, "user_id": 11352}], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308353294.922317, "message": "@pastylegs @chrisjones If you have the time learn python first. I also started with Django with little python knowledge and there were many issues that were harder than they need to be b/c of my lack of python experience.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1423603}, {"user_id": 5356, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308402824.8704309, "message": "\"Python Web Development with Django\" was one of the best introductory books I've read in general (not just Dango). I was also surprised to find there one of the best introductions to the Python programming language. ", "group_id": 81, "id": 1426410}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308501663.9309709, "message": "@citadelgrad http://withdjango.com (Python Web dev with Django) specifically had \"a good Python introduction\" as one of its design goals, FWIW. (And I guess at least one person found it useful -- thanks @zeevb :))", "group_id": 81, "id": 1432288}, {"user_id": 3243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308514742.816781, "message": "+1 For James' book. Apress publishes a Django E-Commerce book, that is also good walking through a large project.", "group_id": 81, "id": 1433140}, {"user_id": 3978, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38804, "date_created": 1308579982.090363, "message": "+1 for Python Web Development with Django (the python intro was perfect for someone new to the language)", "group_id": 81, "id": 1438711}]