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[{"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299107119.4697189, "message": "Django seems to be positioned largely as a public facing, web development platform for public facing web sites.  One where a majority of users are either web development shops or start ups.  Is Django a viable alternative for line of business applications?  Or does the business community only look to Java and .NET to fulfill that need?", "group_id": 81, "id": 254417}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299109498.0809619, "message": "definitely, django has tons of users that are building internal business apps", "group_id": 81, "id": 254556}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299109522.4027691, "user_id": 1}, {"date_created": 1299110315.25596, "user_id": 5778}, {"date_created": 1299133521.060112, "user_id": 4156}], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299109504.097971, "message": "you just don't hear about them for somewhat obvious reasons", "group_id": 81, "id": 254557}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299110744.485878, "message": "@SmileyChris well you don't hear about them publically, I know about a few of them :)", "group_id": 81, "id": 254647}, {"user_id": 16762, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299110696.193186, "message": "which kind-of negates your assertion that there are 'tons' of users doing that ;)", "group_id": 81, "id": 254643}, {"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299111256.9896269, "message": "I'm sure there are \"tons\" but in reality I wonder if they just represent edge cases.  Perhaps the question should be whether anyone knows of any (on-premises installable) non-open-source commercial enterprise applications written using Django or even using Python?", "group_id": 81, "id": 254696}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299111912.465301, "message": "We are currently re-writing our intranet portal in Django, does that count?", "group_id": 81, "id": 254802}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112767.5527, "message": "@alexh 200-ish I think, medium size for a game studio", "group_id": 81, "id": 254929}, {"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112846.7457941, "message": "@coderanger - thanks!", "group_id": 81, "id": 254935}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112681.6838789, "message": "@alexh Our whole platform is a Django app, billing, subscription processing, account data, etc", "group_id": 81, "id": 254917}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112808.3746891, "message": "Also to be fair it hasn't always been Django-based and some bits are still legacy C servers (entirely custom down to the DB)", "group_id": 81, "id": 254933}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112724.9908609, "message": "Oddly it is an enormous project and yet has only about 10 views since we expose everything via JSON-RPC", "group_id": 81, "id": 254924}, {"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112631.377394, "message": "@coderanger thanks, but was more thinking about core line-of-business (lob) applications - those that run the business.  For example, at a newspaper like the Washington Post, they might use Django for public facing news related sites, or internally for an intranet portal, or for internal employee related applications.  But I bet their billing, purchasing and production systems aren't using Django or even Python.  My advice to the colleague asking me the question, is probably to say that while one can write anything(?) in Django/Python, traditional platforms like Java/.NET are probably more \"acceptable\" to management for lob apps.  Thanks all for the input.", "group_id": 81, "id": 254909}, {"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112739.071059, "message": "@coderanger - do you mind if I ask how many employees in your organization?", "group_id": 81, "id": 254926}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299112931.1980469, "message": "Also in the process of moving our CS tools to Django (from PHP)", "group_id": 81, "id": 254943}, {"user_id": 5778, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299122525.9733479, "message": "@alexh the backend of our network monitoring solution (EM7, from ScienceLogic) is written in Python.  Front end is PHP because the founders started it that way and there's sadly no drive to change to anything else.", "group_id": 81, "id": 256846}, {"user_id": 12780, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299124662.390337, "message": "I personally know of a very BIG company (18,000+ people according to public records) that has (on-premises installable) non-open-source commercial enterprise applications written using Python and Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 257153}, {"user_id": 12963, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299124852.9808531, "message": "@codekoala thanks - EM7 looks like an interesting product", "group_id": 81, "id": 257198}, {"user_id": 12780, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299124946.9447999, "message": "You should have no fear at all that Python and Django can stand up to any internal or external, web or backend applications. Millions of hits, or serious number crunching.", "group_id": 81, "id": 257231}, {"user_id": 7, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299125330.233695, "message": "I know of one with 150,000 employees :)  there's is semi-public though", "group_id": 81, "id": 257316}, {"user_id": 12780, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299126153.4438331, "user_id": 7}, {"date_created": 1299154952.5900731, "user_id": 927}], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299126048.028203, "message": "@alex  ok, you win.... but the point is nobody should worry about whether commercial enterprise apps can be written in Python/Django.  This is such a non-issue IMO.", "group_id": 81, "id": 257491}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299133650.1281559, "message": "I spent 2005-2007 writing a Django-based evidence tracking system for a computer forensics firm of ~100 employees, does that count?", "group_id": 81, "id": 258540}, {"user_id": 7317, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299157198.5140359, "message": "Our biggest problem is that we run it in a Windows Server + SQL Server. The Sql Servers backends for Django really sucks", "group_id": 81, "id": 259939}, {"user_id": 927, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299154920.8808739, "message": "@alexh The big question is who's working on the app: a lot of places are very Java/.NET-centric and simply play to their strengths. That said, I've seen and used both Rails and Django for internal business apps so it's not impossible", "group_id": 81, "id": 259790}, {"user_id": 7317, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299155874.7458019, "message": "Here in Nokia-Siemens we are building a large project management on top of Django.", "group_id": 81, "id": 259844}, {"user_id": 5852, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299161370.0378439, "message": "As a data point, over half of my clients are using Django for some sort of internal service. APIs, intranets, analytics apps, etc.", "group_id": 81, "id": 260204}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299163510.5106621, "message": "@alexh and yes, one of them involves financial transactions", "group_id": 81, "id": 260379}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299163271.3311441, "message": "I know of at least 2 django+postgres applications that are used for large scale case management in a government institution. I can't say where and for what exactly. But this is certainly a segment where you'd expect to see .NET or J2EE used. I also know of some European banks using it for public - client facing apps coupled to the MSSQL databases they use internally.", "group_id": 81, "id": 260360}, {"user_id": 5778, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299167803.4748909, "message": "@alexh EM7 is indeed very interesting, but I'm a little biased ;) We sell to very large companies... some of the biggest names in telecommunications.  And to not so large companies, of course...", "group_id": 81, "id": 260888}, {"user_id": 18347, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299171623.5841441, "message": "yes indeed... FTSE 100 company here", "group_id": 81, "id": 261340}, {"user_id": 4077, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299177192.0128829, "message": "The majority of what I do is building intranet applications for enterprises and government agencies -- I use the heck out of Django for this.", "group_id": 81, "id": 262053}, {"user_id": 281, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299180110.7253749, "message": "There was a pretty good talk about using Django for an internal project at BMW at last year's djangocon.eu, you can view it at http://djangoconeu.blip.tv/file/3686120/", "group_id": 81, "id": 262649}, {"user_id": 1535, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299438043.5997789, "message": "I work for a large research/clinical hospital (12000 employees), and I've written three apps using Django there. One is minor, but public-facing, the other two are internal, making previously-locked-in-a-silo data+media resources available (yet access-controlled) to the rest of the institution. One of those apps will be the department's method of disseminating testing results, that is, critical to their line of business.", "group_id": 81, "id": 281443}, {"user_id": 1535, "stars": [], "topic_id": 10289, "date_created": 1299438102.050725, "message": "Other in-house apps are mostly C#/VB, some Java, occasional bits and pieces in other languages. Most apps are bought, rather than built, though.", "group_id": 81, "id": 281445}]