convore.json/groups/oss-licenses/you-probably-shouldnt-use-gpl/messages.json

[{"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297909095.5412519, "message": "Discuss.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 128612}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297912364.2723601, "message": "Seriouspost: GPL was necessary back before open source proved itself to be a profitable endeavour and there was a lot of fear that open == plaguarism.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129092}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297912401.9814451, "message": "Nowadays, its viral nature is seen as more of a hindrance to doing paid work with OSS software, integrating OSS software with closed-source software (hybrid solutions), and so forth.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129094}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297912308.1518021, "message": "It's no longer cool, that's why not.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129091}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297912436.135551, "message": "^^^ this is all completely off the cuff and may not be 100% accurate", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129096}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297916894.7277319, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297914944.5111439, "message": "And are also probably still using SVN, like a noob.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129285}, {"user_id": 9325, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297915231.927829, "message": "Can anyone point me to a well-thought-out, reasoned argument for this position?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129296}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301056878.779804, "user_id": 8759}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297914937.5510981, "message": "It's true, if I see somebody going with GPL instead of BSD/MIT/etc, I automatically assume they are stuck in the past.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129283}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297914182.1008379, "message": "A part of me dies every time I see someone publish a new library for x as GPL", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129243}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297914162.2981169, "message": "It's extremely detrimental.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129241}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297915496.2923241, "message": "My \"seriouspost\" above was in good faith, despite me being a jerk about it the rest of the time. I only said \"off the cuff\" because I have only been releasing software myself in the last ~3 years and was just a user of OSS before then.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129309}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297915570.0378571, "message": "BSD license being \"freer than free\", so to speak, in that it does not place _any_ limitations on your work other than attribution", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129313}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297916894.7903039, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297914948.677232, "message": "And hosting on Google Code", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129287}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297918023.164501, "message": "*it's", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129417}, {"user_id": 4156, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297915541.070893, "message": "So I'm not an expert. But the sentiments I've seen have mostly revolved around the GPL's dislike of commercial products, and the fact that a lot of people these days see that as a turn-off.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129311}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297917113.8201649, "message": "The GPL itself isn't bound to the GPL. It's not open source in any way.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129381}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297916963.278317, "message": "GPL is far too restrictive to be considered free in any way. It's fantastic if you're trying to make money off of a library though, with split licensing. That's really the only appropriate time to use it, in my opinion.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129378}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297917095.362401, "message": "Many fools try to GPL their code and add a bunch of restrictions to the code (if you make money with this, you have to buy me a beer, etc), which isn't allowed by the GPL at all.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129380}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297917127.1244881, "message": "It fundamentally flawed.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129383}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926362.3309691, "message": "GPL is still needed for important programs, something that takes a lot of time and effort to build and you don't want someone who doesn't contribute back to profit from it.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129756}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926683.7130539, "message": "Linux shouldn't have been under BSD.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129777}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926701.792979, "message": "people took their code and ran with it.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129779}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926909.723726, "message": "while BSD styles licenses are less restrictive, they assume an ideal world, which is a fallacy.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129806}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926434.6543939, "message": "BSD style licenses are good for programs which you want to be widely adopted (like reference implementation of protocols) and you know that you stand to benefit from the adoption of the said protocol.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129760}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297927200.3356111, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926524.251914, "message": "I agree in spirit, that everything shouldn't be released under GPL.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129766}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926575.0277851, "message": "if you have some 100 line script or library which you developed over a weekend, use BSD style licenses", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129769}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926602.5681779, "message": "if you have a new framework that you want to be adopted, use bsd.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129770}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [{"date_created": 1301057033.3874681, "user_id": 8759}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926673.4947431, "message": "I think people fail to understand that all licenses were not born equally. they each have their use-case.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129774}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926691.5194409, "message": "look at what happened to Open/FreeBSD", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129778}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926487.053216, "message": "but the MongoDB drivers are all licensed under APL (Apache License).", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129764}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926440.830092, "message": "Case in point, MongoDB.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129762}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926458.951478, "message": "MongoDB itself is licensed under AGPLv3 (GPL + SAAS clause).", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129763}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926736.683861, "message": "the BSD TCP/IP stack got stolen by MSFT. what did they get in return?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129785}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926745.4971769, "message": "who even knows about *BSD today?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129787}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926762.336374, "message": "Linux thrived because people couldn't profit from it without contributing back.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129788}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926786.689769, "message": "back in the day, Linux was way inferior compared to *BSD. Not any more.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129790}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926913.5651979, "message": "Fin.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129809}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926312.1319709, "message": "Not true.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129751}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926538.921957, "message": "but I believe GPL is still relevant and it is very important.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129768}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926800.363385, "message": "look at the number of corporate contributors to the Linux kernel.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129793}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926811.8289001, "message": "Nvidia, Intel, Boradcom, Nokia, etc.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129794}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926828.2854271, "message": "why are all these companies contributing at all?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129797}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926868.118191, "message": "well, they can be sure because of GPL.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129802}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926885.5083261, "message": "if X benefits from Linux, everyone does the same. it's a level playing field.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129804}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926716.8678529, "message": "FreeBSD even today doesn't have proper drivers for new hardware", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129780}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926718.608171, "message": "why?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129783}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926769.363785, "message": "and that's why it's where it is today.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129789}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926817.0379069, "message": "What about FreeBSD?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129795}, {"user_id": 1834, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1297926851.554996, "message": "how can they be sure that their competitor won't \"steal\" their contribution to the Linux kernel?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 129801}, {"user_id": 1933, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298014129.9602489, "message": "There's more in the world than operating systems. Look at Apache or Eclipse they offer loads of software without restrictions on how you can use it in open or closed source projects. And they get big contributions from companies all around. Sure not every company will contribute back but if you get wide adoption the contribution will be big enough because maintaining a large number of software libraries and frameworks is just too expensive to do that in addition to your own software on top of them.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 140288}, {"user_id": 1933, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298014750.4945321, "message": "My overall opinion is provide your software either free and open source without restrictions or just leave it closed source and commercial. That will save programmers who really want to build stuff from the usual license hustle where you have to figure out which library you can combine with which other library and what that means for your code and people who want to use your project in the future.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 140302}, {"user_id": 1933, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298016366.945612, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298014959.1577041, "message": "And to go out on a limb here, I think GPL in pretends an openness it doesn't deliver.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 140309}, {"user_id": 1933, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298014322.505584, "message": "And a trend that I've seen in some projects with licenses is that they are moving away from licenses like MIT, BSD, APL or EPL to a dual license Model with (A)GPL and commercial which essentially forces everyone who used the library in a non-open-source-project to purchase a license to upgrade to a newer version.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 140293}, {"user_id": 960, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298041706.2752559, "message": "/me wonders if this got misclassified and was meant to be posted in Trolling....?", "group_id": 4211, "id": 143461}, {"user_id": 14243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298258731.862741, "message": "Clearly a flamewar will begin :p\nIt's a matter of knowing what to do with your code... people who chooses GPL knows why they choose it. End of story", "group_id": 4211, "id": 155856}, {"user_id": 1899, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298570023.1462729, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298484142.8634851, "message": "WTFPL all the way here.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 189315}, {"user_id": 13893, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298503678.5033541, "user_id": 1899}, {"date_created": 1298507689.423162, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298503553.6781411, "message": "http://fuckgpl.com/", "group_id": 4211, "id": 193201}, {"user_id": 2313, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298569994.174109, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298545333.174664, "message": "I can't look in the future. I might want to use my code for proprietary stuff and if I might want to, allowing it others is the right thing to do, at least by my ethical standards.", "group_id": 4211, "id": 196686}, {"user_id": 3617, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298740474.292932, "user_id": 1933}, {"date_created": 1298749096.647639, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1298854741.971333, "user_id": 13893}], "topic_id": 6698, "date_created": 1298740323.671649, "message": "The GPL was made for a different time. 20 years ago there wasn't anything near the F/OSS ecosystem we have now. Problem now is people using the GPL for things they shouldn't, like art and libraries. Frankly if your library is GPL, you're just forcing your 'freedom' on me and I'll happily write my own rather then relicense my entire application. (And yes, it was already a F/OSS license.)", "group_id": 4211, "id": 214918}]