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[{"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744295.9731441, "message": "There are a lot of (lightweight) frameworks for Python but I wonder what people use to build websites for their clients?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215159}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744402.225157, "message": "I tried some of them but I think they might be to complex for my clients. At the moment I use a Asp.Net cms.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215166}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744812.7548389, "message": "I just tried it and it looks okay but it's a step back from the one I am using right now.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215193}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744842.6041751, "message": "Also it looks like it's more of a 'page' based cms instead of a content one.", "group_id": 292, "id": 215197}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744377.925411, "message": "http://stackoverflow.com/questions/184742/what-is-a-good-cms-written-in-python-and-not-plone this is a lost of CMS I got from the other chatroom. Anybody uses any of those?", "group_id": 292, "id": 215164}, {"user_id": 12404, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298744778.4162469, "message": "i don't build many websites anymore, but when I used to it was drupal until recently when django-cms came along and more shared hosts were supporting mod_wsgi. compared to drupal, django-cms used to be a pain in the ass to setup. but it looks like they fixed that. https://www.django-cms.org/en/documentation/", "group_id": 292, "id": 215190}, {"user_id": 13912, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298767059.4431889, "message": "well, drupal or wp out of laziness mostly. Not laziness to do it in anything better, but laziness to explain why they'd need to host on x so we can use y.", "group_id": 292, "id": 216041}, {"user_id": 3531, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298787220.3542249, "user_id": 11592}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298767924.9711051, "message": "I use Django even for simple websites. Possibly overkill in some cases, but it makes the tiny bits of customization that my clients come to desire an easy task.", "group_id": 292, "id": 216067}, {"user_id": 14243, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298769041.382848, "message": "Flask for small sites, Django for bigger sites, CakePHP if PHP is a must...", "group_id": 292, "id": 216096}, {"user_id": 3531, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298787227.546912, "user_id": 11592}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298770297.424546, "message": "@aseba *shudder* It should never be a must..", "group_id": 292, "id": 216118}, {"user_id": 3916, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298792510.1471069, "message": "@michaelschade but when it is, sometimes there isn't anything you can do about it\u2026", "group_id": 292, "id": 216772}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298808967.5399289, "message": "Flask would be nice if it came with some CMS module.", "group_id": 292, "id": 217082}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298830270.531141, "message": "Also it's focussed towards blogging", "group_id": 292, "id": 218757}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298831522.861608, "message": "Well WP is okay and the back-end is really pretty but for non savvy clients it's not that great.", "group_id": 292, "id": 218909}, {"user_id": 3309, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298830216.3773899, "message": "The default CMS is always Wordpress. You need to come up with a compelling reason why Wordpress won't work. Scale/customization/ extensive internal experience with python.", "group_id": 292, "id": 218746}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298830255.374826, "message": "Well wordpress is horrible to work with.", "group_id": 292, "id": 218752}, {"user_id": 1736, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298831397.0316379, "message": "@Enome If you think WP is bad, you should see what people come up with on their own. Wordpress is shining beacon of simplicity and ease in a sea of half-baked PHP \"frameworks\".", "group_id": 292, "id": 218891}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298831559.492064, "message": "Also it uses PHP ^^", "group_id": 292, "id": 218914}, {"user_id": 15977, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299002470.6825249, "user_id": 6415}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298834643.2559381, "message": "Static html is good...", "group_id": 292, "id": 219724}, {"user_id": 3617, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298835964.485337, "message": "@coderanger Yes, because Wordpress is fully-baked and now crunchy in the middle. ;)", "group_id": 292, "id": 220137}, {"user_id": 3952, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298837418.549386, "message": "If it's static then I use Jekyll", "group_id": 292, "id": 220350}, {"user_id": 2458, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298860029.5214691, "message": "For a cut & dry website that doesn't need a lot of unusual functionality, there really is no good Python alternative to Wordpress. With the extendability, already created plugins, and ease of use / availability of documentation it is an easy choice.", "group_id": 292, "id": 223349}, {"user_id": 2458, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298860067.391156, "message": "Biggest downside, imo, (besides being PHP) is that because it's so popular it's a big target for attacks.", "group_id": 292, "id": 223352}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298907262.432565, "message": "Didn't know Wordpress was so popular for real websites. Thought people would prefer something that's less focussed on blogging.", "group_id": 292, "id": 226218}, {"user_id": 2458, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298907986.7508111, "message": "@Enome: That used to be the case, but they've really made it easy to use it as a CMS with less focus on blogging. Especially now with custom post types you can do quite a bit outside of the normal with it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 226347}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298913410.542376, "message": "One idea is to use sphinx ( I know its purpose is for documentation ).  You can customize it.", "group_id": 292, "id": 227419}, {"user_id": 16058, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298914747.6809571, "message": "@davidwparker, you can use hyde, it's pythonic", "group_id": 292, "id": 227563}, {"user_id": 218, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298932732.8491011, "message": "@davidwparker Have you customized hyde? How are its internals?", "group_id": 292, "id": 229997}, {"user_id": 3952, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298954477.459516, "message": "@justinlilly I haven't customized hyde, @myfreeweb just recommended it to me. To be honest, I use both Ruby and Python regularly and don't have qualms about going either direction.", "group_id": 292, "id": 231857}, {"user_id": 1944, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298980330.620611, "message": "I often say Django is a very good CMS framework (but not the best application framework)", "group_id": 292, "id": 233921}, {"user_id": 1944, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298980344.2013309, "message": "Sphinx is also nice for the more simple cases", "group_id": 292, "id": 233924}, {"user_id": 719, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298983169.3871851, "message": "@dag What do you consider the best application framework?", "group_id": 292, "id": 234135}, {"user_id": 1944, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299037583.2152741, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298983266.631181, "message": "Perhaps Pyramid and Flask", "group_id": 292, "id": 234155}, {"user_id": 2376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298995198.7779241, "message": "web2py", "group_id": 292, "id": 235911}, {"user_id": 2376, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1298995342.7619679, "message": "We have built http://radbox.me on web2py", "group_id": 292, "id": 235924}, {"user_id": 6415, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299020754.9254839, "user_id": 13893}, {"date_created": 1299037583.2150021, "user_id": 8391}, {"date_created": 1299095846.2128429, "user_id": 1694}, {"date_created": 1299112423.5439761, "user_id": 9434}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299006133.9179759, "message": "Pelican is much simpler than Hyde and it's getting better everyday :) http://docs.notmyidea.org/alexis/pelican/", "group_id": 292, "id": 237042}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [{"date_created": 1299037613.6093731, "user_id": 8391}], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299018380.8887191, "message": "Wow , Pelican is awesome.  Better that toto, because is ReST and also has pygments support.", "group_id": 292, "id": 240276}, {"user_id": 3748, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299031879.8233571, "message": "An example ( spanish ) of a blog created with Pelican, and host in Amazon's S3 http://jdacpelican.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/", "group_id": 292, "id": 242522}, {"user_id": 8391, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299037621.010107, "message": "Pelican *is* awesome. I wrote a wordpress importer for it in a few hours. Dead simple. I hope to migrate to it soon.", "group_id": 292, "id": 243088}, {"user_id": 844, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299203462.2890379, "message": "Just trying out Blogofile Static generator pretty full featured has blogger and Wp importers, Disqus comments and lots of other goodness, write html, markdown. RST has Pygments built in", "group_id": 292, "id": 265617}, {"user_id": 18288, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299203882.8201439, "message": "@Enome Something like Padrino built on top of Flask would be cool", "group_id": 292, "id": 265692}, {"user_id": 8490, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299259649.4156499, "message": "@sooyoung That's actually pretty cool.", "group_id": 292, "id": 271432}, {"user_id": 15046, "stars": [], "topic_id": 9269, "date_created": 1299267697.5989399, "message": "Django CMS is fantastic for small business sites.", "group_id": 292, "id": 272145}]