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[{"user_id": 1217, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297327346.6685259, "message": "it's a comprehensive framework that takes some time to get acclimated to. the api is your friend.  http://railsapi.com/  lots of \"magic\" in rails that I'm still learning...", "group_id": 447, "id": 67423}, {"user_id": 874, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297341434.770153, "message": "Ha! I tried to scroll the browser shot in the middle of the page at http://railsapi.com/. I'm doing that wrong, huh? :)", "group_id": 447, "id": 68823}, {"user_id": 840, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297341801.176173, "message": "Do you already know Ruby? Some people think that is hard because they try to learn ruby and rails at the same time", "group_id": 447, "id": 68859}, {"user_id": 4225, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297360755.4814949, "message": "Because people think rails and ruby are the same. They are not. It is much harder to learn Rails if you don't really understand Ruby. If you already have a solid understanding of Ruby it is much easier to understand the \"magic\" of Rails", "group_id": 447, "id": 72095}, {"user_id": 6177, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297606320.4191761, "user_id": 8384}], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297366228.7887621, "message": "like any framework where a lot is already done for you, it's hard to really understand what's going on under the hood when you're just starting out. check out michael hartl's rails tutorial or rails for zombies to get started.", "group_id": 447, "id": 73243}, {"user_id": 5049, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297375903.434659, "message": "@PistolPeteX8 Good advice. thank you", "group_id": 447, "id": 75344}, {"user_id": 6177, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297377110.0985661, "message": "@mininaim Happy to help.", "group_id": 447, "id": 75500}, {"user_id": 45, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297417381.0711961, "message": "rails is just an implementation of that idea in a lot of ways, and if you understand ruby and the way that idea is generally implemented you can pick up rails quickly", "group_id": 447, "id": 79254}, {"user_id": 45, "stars": [{"date_created": 1297482292.7238441, "user_id": 6967}], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297417340.7774291, "message": "I don't think rails is hard to learn, so much as the \"MVC paradigm\"", "group_id": 447, "id": 79250}, {"user_id": 45, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297417424.0240819, "message": "my initial problem using rails was not not understanding the programming language but not understanding that method of doing web programming", "group_id": 447, "id": 79256}, {"user_id": 874, "stars": [{"date_created": 1298422274.7193141, "user_id": 14915}], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297432635.725132, "message": "MVC makes sense until the first time something doesn't intuitively `feel' like it should be controlled by one particular portion of the architecture. Then you realize it's yet another set of definitions to remember. Ruby is like most languages. It's hard until it isn't.", "group_id": 447, "id": 80369}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599795.0569251, "message": "ruby hard?", "group_id": 447, "id": 90175}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297598985.3249509, "message": "I've been working on learning rails for a a few months on and off. I think grappling with other new topics, i.e. the mac termina", "group_id": 447, "id": 90138}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599443.244112, "message": "I just can't gel it all together", "group_id": 447, "id": 90149}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599816.3869081, "message": "combine those and you might learn ruby :)", "group_id": 447, "id": 90177}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297598987.846838, "message": "*terminal", "group_id": 447, "id": 90139}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599031.796356, "message": "but I think the point regarding ruby is absolutely spot on. No point in trying to learn rails if you don't know ruby, which is why I'm going to take it back to basics", "group_id": 447, "id": 90142}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599003.5961511, "message": "throw in some other issues I've had with Locomotive, and not being able to download gems", "group_id": 447, "id": 90140}, {"user_id": 8149, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599346.93852, "message": "@geoffw8 try tryruby.org :)", "group_id": 447, "id": 90146}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599439.2339439, "message": "the thing is, I'm not too bad", "group_id": 447, "id": 90148}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599466.517868, "message": "I'm a weird learner, I like to ask lots of questions, and before I grasp something I really need to understand it", "group_id": 447, "id": 90152}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599522.28248, "message": "thing is, programming is simple, right?", "group_id": 447, "id": 90154}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599527.01296, "message": "its just, a case of building layers", "group_id": 447, "id": 90155}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599530.798393, "message": "which is the complex bit", "group_id": 447, "id": 90156}, {"user_id": 8149, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599595.75387, "message": "ruby in much flexible with iterators and conditions :)", "group_id": 447, "id": 90161}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599691.609242, "message": "where I could enter input", "group_id": 447, "id": 90169}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599786.144222, "message": "I'd maybe trade a finger ;)", "group_id": 447, "id": 90174}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599538.0739601, "message": "ultimately it comes down to loops, iterators", "group_id": 447, "id": 90158}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599671.1377699, "message": "learning Ruby is tough, because I find its so static", "group_id": 447, "id": 90165}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599677.8304329, "message": "for me it got exciting with get", "group_id": 447, "id": 90166}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599779.821322, "message": "the thing is too, I want to learn to program more than ANYTHING", "group_id": 447, "id": 90173}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297599807.7887421, "message": "try some haskell or lisp and then some java or c#", "group_id": 447, "id": 90176}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297600919.9648049, "message": "I think I'll just have to stop thinking, and get on with it", "group_id": 447, "id": 90348}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297600908.302495, "message": "yeah, I'll have a look", "group_id": 447, "id": 90343}, {"user_id": 8244, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297600912.9509599, "message": "I've got a TON of Ruby books", "group_id": 447, "id": 90344}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297603140.846508, "message": "RoR is not any rocket science compared to JEE or ASP.net :D", "group_id": 447, "id": 90695}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297603101.8381071, "message": "Just do some nice project with it.", "group_id": 447, "id": 90690}, {"user_id": 8029, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1297603123.1647871, "message": "If you're in university and there's some project courses, attend those and use rails with them.", "group_id": 447, "id": 90693}, {"user_id": 14333, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1298282314.9943881, "message": "This tutorial will give you everything you need... http://ruby.railstutorial.org/chapters/beginning#top", "group_id": 447, "id": 157506}, {"user_id": 14915, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1298422352.4642041, "message": "I taught myself RoR and Ruby at the same time, but I'll admit there were a lot of times I knew doing something would work the way I wanted without knowing why it would work that way, and I hate that feeling. I've been away from Rails for a bit now and I am trying to get re-acclimated with 3 and I think I'm going to spend some time teaching myself Ruby first.", "group_id": 447, "id": 185316}, {"user_id": 1006, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1298438384.1721599, "message": "I recommend starting with Sinatra then learning Rails http://www.sinatrarb.com/", "group_id": 447, "id": 185893}, {"user_id": 1006, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1298438479.717989, "message": "@Stammy Sinatra removes most of the magic", "group_id": 447, "id": 185896}, {"user_id": 12180, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1299439861.2217009, "message": "It took me a year before I felt like I truly understood what Rails was doing for me.", "group_id": 447, "id": 281495}, {"user_id": 12180, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1299439881.0370791, "message": "But I wholeheartedly agree that Ruby is a definite prerequisite.", "group_id": 447, "id": 281496}, {"user_id": 18775, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1299478443.7552569, "message": "I've just started yesterday my first Rails application... I've found that i cannot write tests if i want to learn Ruby at the same time that i learn Rails... Just don't know what to write... But after 2 full days i now feel comfortable with Ruby and with Rails... I'll get another shot to tests...", "group_id": 447, "id": 285876}, {"user_id": 23325, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1300788114.8099771, "message": "@geoffw8 static? It's one of the most dynamic languages out there!!", "group_id": 447, "id": 406131}, {"user_id": 23325, "stars": [], "topic_id": 3400, "date_created": 1300788149.661109, "message": "@geoffw8 define_method, instance_eval, class_eval, binding, lambdas, procs?", "group_id": 447, "id": 406133}]