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[{"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447589.134634, "message": "1) Background - 5 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319438}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447582.687952, "message": "Here's our agenda:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319436}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447621.2905581, "message": "5) Proposals - 20 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319445}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447672.099436, "message": "=============== BACKGROUND ===============", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319453}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447494.1917491, "message": "The purpose of today's chat is to develop a proposal for Events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319428}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447615.2181411, "message": "4) Use Cases - 10 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319443}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448475.7241199, "message": "Thanks for all that B", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319574}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448754.223351, "message": "Event Types, Event Filters agree", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319641}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448760.4969859, "message": "at the moment filters don't exist in an S3 world", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319643}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448783.125438, "message": "Yes what I think we need here is a general proposal for how events should work at a system level. Where do they fit in, what can they do, etc.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319649}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448968.1362031, "message": "Filters are removed in S3, what was going to replace them?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319694}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449070.5623839, "message": "I think the idea was to scrap filters and provide a better set of delegates for manipulating events, but it never happened.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319720}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447605.4034569, "message": "3) Goals - 15 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319441}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447594.9332759, "message": "2) Scope - 10 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319439}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448424.589679, "message": "The idea has been floated before, but a knowledge base would be nice", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319566}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448484.122925, "message": "Anyone have anything to add?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319577}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449213.1662321, "message": "users can create an event of 'whatever type' because an extension provides it?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319744}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449249.1651039, "message": "Actually that's something that's a little cumbersome at the moment, the whole Event Editor is put together really strangely (not sure if this holds true for S3)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319754}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449282.8229489, "message": "that's all I was saying", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319769}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449288.4050169, "message": ":-/", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319771}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449342.8883259, "message": "all good!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319782}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449478.8096249, "message": "yep", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319805}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449701.255857, "message": "localization?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319876}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449768.0725441, "message": "@buzzomatic awesome!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319899}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450021.106324, "message": "any other goals for the events system?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319977}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447999.715513, "message": "So any other type of event needed to be custom-written", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319511}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448111.355125, "message": "Anyone have anything to add as far as background on events?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319525}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448721.292973, "message": "We're also talking about the extension API to some extent", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319635}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448747.2330141, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319640}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449951.2119761, "message": "like a transaction eventy type", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319951}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450972.723372, "message": "Sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320151}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451132.1773031, "message": "Yeah, providing Error Codes is one idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320176}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447726.36693, "message": "In tech previews of Symphony 3, events had two additional functionalities: overrides, and default values", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319463}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449049.805737, "message": "Just that there's no reason for event types to be limited to entry-saving", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319712}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449319.5554559, "message": "I misunderstood your question it seems", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319775}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449828.884361, "message": "How about multi section saving? Could be done via default values + conditional validation", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319914}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448093.7134669, "message": "No worries :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319523}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449172.5299611, "message": "Don't think so, because users should be able to create other kinds of events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319733}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449270.84782, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319763}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447986.932831, "message": "In Symphony 2, events were quite limited because there was only one type of event\u2014the entry-saving event", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319510}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448655.256484, "message": "=============== SCOPE ===============", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319619}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448788.9522841, "message": "but I like them, however badly they are named", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319651}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448039.1444261, "message": "Good morning all. I think that's all I've got for background.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319516}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448074.569571, "message": "Hi guys. Will be joining you on my lunch brake, but I don't know how much I'll have to say.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319520}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307447961.87814, "message": "Every other type in the system\u2014field types, ds types, etc\u2014will be provided by an extension. It likely makes sense for event types as well", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319506}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448134.953038, "message": "I've got a massive dump of information that doesn't really fit into that mould", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319529}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448138.939214, "message": "should I post anyway?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319530}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448215.3255279, "message": "as long as its just background to the convo", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319535}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448326.514569, "message": "Current Limitations/Bad things\n\n- Event messages cannot be localised. Frontend logic must compare to a value, ie. message = 'Field can not be blank' and then localise via XSLT\n- Fields can only return a simple error message (can't add attributes or a structure)\n- When an event is saved, although a Field may return a specific error code, the Entry only cares if it is successful. If it is not successful the Event just gets the Entry failed code, instead of the Field failure code. This makes events cumbersome in that they can only be 'success' or 'fail'\n- Message of the event is not customisable\n- Example form markup is not utilised well/at all by extensions\n- Debugging events is notoriously annoying (how many forum posts have we had about AJAX events recently?)\n- Send Mail filter is horrible", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319547}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448386.196734, "message": "The biggest for me is the first 3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319557}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448335.462328, "message": "What I think works well\n\n- I think the delegates, while maybe missing a couple of values are a solid start and helpful for extensions. Delegates may need execution order, but this is only a problem because of Symphony's growth/success (with multiple extensions subscribing to the same delegate) and it's not limited to events \n- Custom events are powerful, users can do alot, but it's been poorly documented until recently, unsure what we can do to make it better, worth throwing up", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319548}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448340.5978899, "message": "What's changed in S3 at the moment\n\n- Default/Override values (don't know if these are actually working or not though)\n- Expect Multiple doesn't work (IIRC?)\n- Send Mail filter has been removed, extensions can deal with it\n- Filters have been removed (IIRC)\n- Events are extensions, creating a new event is writing a new Event object. It works, but it's far from nice when creating a new UI Editor (same goes for Datasources). But it does allow you to create different types of Events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319550}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448351.9590089, "message": "Up for discussion\n\n- Execution of an event might be useful if brought to the Event Editor (load/trigger functions)\n- I personally like Event Filters and think they offer an elegant solution to allow extensions to beef up events. I can't think of the alternative for S3, and at the moment all extensions that were moved to S3 that were filters have been completely rewritten to work differently", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319553}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448396.5857379, "message": "we hit those issues in Members", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319560}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448445.7907319, "message": "Extensions can define their own error codes, and the frontend can write messages depending on the codes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319568}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448470.868968, "message": "Agreed.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319573}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448491.7035329, "message": "the multilingual stuff might flesh itself out in the actual discussion, but at the moment the messages are only localised for the logged in Author, so it's useless for the frontend of the website", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319578}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448641.83936, "message": "Alright, let's move on to defining the scope of our proposals", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319616}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448729.024189, "message": "sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319636}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448737.975981, "message": "that's regarding Field errors and being able to send that information up to the event", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319639}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448774.4016509, "message": "I can't remember what the replacement was, or if was just because we didn't need it for any of our projects", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319646}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448842.4163289, "message": "Agreed, I don't see how you'd develop cross-cutting functionalities without filters", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319663}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451148.5977359, "message": "Wrt Localizable, just need to provide error codes?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320178}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451764.720762, "message": "events at the same priority get then executed alphabetically", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320371}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448712.6622169, "message": "Obviously we're talking about the architecture of events themselves: event types, event filters...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319633}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448717.8566749, "message": "I think the changes need to come from the heart of the EntryManager and FieldManager and are probably a bit low level to discuss at the moment", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319634}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448872.02755, "message": "@rowan can you remember?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319671}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448919.2148571, "message": "Sorry had to scroll down :S", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319681}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448944.7288799, "message": "I was thinking that events shouldn't be so limited in scope in the next version", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319685}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448945.6404541, "message": "now that the backend is built on XSLT, it would be interesting to see if Datasources/Events should now be used to save Views/Sections/Entry", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319687}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449056.50472, "message": "extensions should be able to provide others", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319714}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448606.876451, "message": "Nothing from me, B's stuff is pretty comprehensive", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319608}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449567.9649849, "message": "=============== GOALS ===============", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319833}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449752.580369, "message": "Fields can add as much detail as needed for a frontend form to handle it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319893}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451303.3430271, "message": "if version 1.0 of a extension outputs on message, say 'Member not activated' and the frontend matches this text and then outputs their own message", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320227}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451389.6678469, "message": "so a knowledge base would be awesome in this regard", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320268}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449024.3007891, "message": "The only real filter situation we ran into was sending emails; we just created a new event type that triggered a normal event of your choice before sending the email", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319706}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449421.277035, "message": "So if we're keeping this chat high-level I suppose we're pretty clear on scope, yes, since events are mostly self-contained?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319792}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451166.3052051, "message": "Ditto, 2G connection loses", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320184}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451383.667248, "message": "majority of issues on the forum can be grouped into a common problem (and fix)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320265}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452124.4885509, "message": "debugging", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320531}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452260.5363951, "message": "Rowan?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320576}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448864.442975, "message": "I wish I could remember what Alistair's alternative was, but I can't", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319669}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448954.5142069, "message": "What was the question brendan?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319689}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449239.7696781, "message": "not Events as extensions but Event Types as extensions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319752}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449336.7145929, "message": "haha", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319778}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449902.7207079, "message": "Much like brendans extension for s2 that combines datasources", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319939}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451315.471772, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320233}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449952.605197, "message": "definitely", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319952}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448898.8753591, "message": "Anyway, I think on a system level they don't change much between versions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319675}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448979.5510941, "message": "Ah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319696}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449202.234935, "message": "But isn't that the point of event extensions?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319740}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449251.6765821, "message": "OH", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319756}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449557.6455441, "message": "k. moving on.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319829}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449683.5844669, "message": "somehow", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319860}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449685.2857881, "message": "but yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319861}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450242.1757569, "message": "What else are we currently using custom events for?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320002}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450277.8953791, "message": "@allen That's curious", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320007}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450295.87029, "message": "How so?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320012}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450299.4224341, "message": "@czheng, setting values (already covered by default/override values)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320014}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450411.085634, "message": "List ID's set in the form", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320041}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450473.2188239, "message": "different filters, different validation, different overrides", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320056}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450631.3369229, "message": "What else are people using custom events for these days?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320090}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448916.2513499, "message": "It's essentially always just going to be logic that makes form data be saved in a section", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319680}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307448982.27384, "message": "@czheng, sure, what was your ideas?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319697}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449134.8554921, "message": "@czheng, does having events as an extension solve that? extensions can do whatever now inside an event", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319728}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449180.0282209, "message": "@buzzomatic Ah ok, that's fine I guess, but it would still need to be expose to the Event Editor so a user could attach them", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319736}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449224.3601511, "message": "yes, that's what I'm saying.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319749}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449261.310709, "message": "I think it's already like this", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319759}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449268.1509919, "message": "much like datasources have types", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319762}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449706.130224, "message": "maybe you could retrieve the last the Event XML result by passing a special parameter", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319880}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449736.805438, "message": "Current s3 already does a far better job of generating error XML", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319888}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449272.154417, "message": "events have types", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319764}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449277.9468441, "message": "yes, exactly", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319766}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449546.3430851, "message": "Yeah. Questions would arise when imementation happens. Mostly depend on the core infrastructure.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319824}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449611.559968, "message": "improve debugging?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319845}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449688.8783071, "message": "beef up relationship between events and fields?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319868}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449754.852927, "message": "custom/conditional validations? that's related to fields as well.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319894}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449795.3688631, "message": "Of course, the code will probably have to be re-written as everything around it has/will change", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319903}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449821.8574159, "message": "ah yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319910}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449916.2823451, "message": "it could just be a separate event type", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319945}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450471.1335449, "message": "That's how I'd do it in v3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320055}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449889.7431729, "message": "I'd suggest making that an extension", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319934}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450767.8045931, "message": "redirecting", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320113}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449743.7973781, "message": "yep, Fields need to tell an Event went wrong, instead of just the Entry saying 'something went wrong' and then the Event going, ok, was it missing or invalid, which works alot of the time, but not every time", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319891}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449853.53212, "message": "good one", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319921}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449877.730278, "message": "I suppose that's a fundamental change", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319929}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449970.1691639, "message": "yeah, create the order then spawn the ticket entries", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319958}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450055.1433859, "message": "That's it from me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319981}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450204.015949, "message": "=============== Use Cases ===============", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319995}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450233.689023, "message": "Brendan just mentioned one. Create an order and spawn ticket entries.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320000}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450408.2021911, "message": "API Keys set on the preferences page", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320039}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450443.8666351, "message": "we usually add it to the form markup as hidden fields", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320050}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450459.95103, "message": "or if it's sensitive, then yes, custom the event to hardcode the value", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320054}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450562.7965529, "message": "Sure. Events is just one place that i'm a little worried about because it's been so limited in the past I worry about our thinking being limited by that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320073}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450654.612107, "message": "sorry no question mark intended", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320094}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450730.3239131, "message": "The only other one is data logging", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320108}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449884.1675961, "message": "Events always have a 1:1 relationship with sections", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319932}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450258.7751801, "message": "External service api integration.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320004}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450285.053498, "message": "I.e push data to highrise", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320010}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450323.904012, "message": "tacks onto*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320020}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450816.851239, "message": "Right good one", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320119}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451022.204926, "message": "Brendan, it sounds as though you want to improve event messages to be customizable and localizable, yes?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320159}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449942.8146069, "message": "We'd have the default entry-saving event type, and then a multi-section event type?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319950}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450319.4699509, "message": "instead of customising the event all our API integration is usually done with a filter that takes on EventFinalSave", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320019}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450390.6413159, "message": "campaign monitor extension is a good example of API integration with a Filter", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320035}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450448.845902, "message": "You have a PushToSomeAPI event type, and you create 2 events with it, each of which needs to use slightly different options", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320052}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450484.9784291, "message": "Well can't answer it 100% as we've never come across a situation like that yet at work", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320058}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307449990.3601639, "message": "(which is what we typically use event chaining for at work)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319967}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450112.8234739, "message": "I'd only add that in a broad sense, events need to be beefed up enough to match DSes in terms of power", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319987}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450133.2707081, "message": "so that between the two we have a true API", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319989}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450174.142952, "message": "Anything else?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1319992}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450339.57759, "message": "allows it to be used in future projects", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320024}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450357.637145, "message": "but guess there's always more than one way to do things!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320026}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450361.4764631, "message": "but what if it needs to be configurable?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320027}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450375.566843, "message": "usually add a fieldset to the Preferences page", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320031}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450419.0785961, "message": "But what if each event needs a slightly different configuration?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320043}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450501.8156581, "message": "I wasn't saying it was wrong, I was just commenting on it :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320061}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450576.657357, "message": "Yeah, I've sone it both ways myself", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320075}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450587.5651841, "message": "Done* it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320079}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450597.2976141, "message": "of course you have :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320081}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450644.7056, "message": "we've got a handful in members?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320092}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451312.7758031, "message": "if it was just an error code, it'd remain constant", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320232}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450593.17258, "message": "Kinky.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320080}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450867.8326991, "message": "Members uses custom events because the logic is more involved, in an S3 world they'd probably become event types", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320134}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450937.754123, "message": "nothing off the top of my head", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320144}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450942.4369371, "message": "move on?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320145}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451321.201071, "message": "I think regardless, supplying standardised error code is good idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320239}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450916.004107, "message": "Anything else?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320143}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451127.08444, "message": "Execution order for delegates?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320175}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451229.5048671, "message": "localisation depends on the logged in author at the moment, so useless for majority of site users", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320203}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451261.0698359, "message": "error codes is a foolproof way though for a site to be the same as an extension updates", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320206}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451355.1601341, "message": "and although are forum is very good, and people have been quick to point that out, it would be nice for those users who just want to fix the problem without waiting for a response", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320258}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451414.09677, "message": "but I don't see why we should limit it like that, it'd be a really cool ecosystem if Extensions could be added to that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320272}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451549.443769, "message": "having 3 separate events seems overkill and not that elegant", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320303}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451561.0703149, "message": "that's just my opinion", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320308}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451794.3093109, "message": "we agreed something like datasource dependencies probably needs to be introduced", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320387}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452004.3953769, "message": "Using an API datasource as part of a response to an API event", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320481}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452023.591073, "message": "Neat", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320488}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452502.590256, "message": "You can ?debug-capture in your form action", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320684}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452516.7628961, "message": "Loads the page as normal but takes a snapshot", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320694}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452614.78509, "message": "In the cache folder", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320738}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307450975.836215, "message": "=============== PROPOSALS ===============", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320152}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451400.1931551, "message": "Ok. Do we have a proposal yet around 'filters'?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320269}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451190.826884, "message": "@allen, not entirely sure just yet, errors are a start because a developer can say, ok error 200 is invalid data, so I'll just write the error message for that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320189}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451214.5632069, "message": "or the alternative/supplement is that if the frontend is being served in german, the message returned from a field is german is well", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320198}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451241.8205609, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320205}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451273.4136591, "message": "just for reference there's also been discussion of using error codes as a support tool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320207}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451303.8451309, "message": "but then version 2 changes it to Member has not yet been activated, the XSLT logic will break", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320229}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451304.6629651, "message": "so when a developer/user is served a certain error code in their install, it can be linked to Q&A for that error on the symphony site", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320230}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451329.924716, "message": "ok cool. that's a solid proposal.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320245}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451331.1667261, "message": "yep, I believe we've spoken about that before, i think it's an amazing idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320247}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451408.6588521, "message": "I think the initial scope was just for Symphony", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320271}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451491.1085739, "message": "consider the add to mailing list example", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320287}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451492.3565321, "message": "Right. The concept is good just not the namr", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320288}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451499.554215, "message": "while that could be provided as an extension", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320291}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451533.0600779, "message": "or if you wanted it to post to the mailing list, add to highrise and email an autoresponder to the person who submitted the form", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320298}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452608.2943759, "message": "where are they saved?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320734}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451650.320791, "message": "beyond our scope here though", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320346}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451464.8978081, "message": "yeah we'd renamed them to a very generic 'options' i think", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320278}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451477.9843969, "message": "Improving the delegates is one thing, but being able to always beef up your event via an extension is a must I think", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320284}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451752.8828361, "message": "so at the moment there's low/med/high", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320368}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451773.848249, "message": "spoke with rowan quickly about this this afternoon", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320376}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452422.025084, "message": "sorry", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320642}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452558.733659, "message": "not sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320715}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451438.233763, "message": "I think they need to be around conceptually, perhaps renamed better as they don't really filter at all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320275}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451753.9577091, "message": "Same concept as da dependency at least code wise?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320370}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451797.349148, "message": "da dependency?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320388}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451879.4698751, "message": "something like that might be able to be leveraged using the success/fail of the previous event, or xpath on the post-values", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320422}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451815.6642389, "message": "events make be a little hairier though", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320394}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451856.153892, "message": "if the expression evaluates true, it will run that block, otherwise it'll skip through until one does", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320410}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452008.3175099, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320484}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452240.8858349, "message": "be awesome if there were debug snapshots", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320567}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452251.19853, "message": "I think there is in S3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320571}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452466.7847519, "message": "if the former, it doesn't solve our problem unfortunately", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320663}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452582.3237081, "message": "(leaves it to rowan)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320722}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451819.8032651, "message": "as you may want to conditionally execute them", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320396}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451511.347178, "message": "what if you wanted the event to do that and then email someone as well?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320294}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452879.6436501, "message": "not that I can think of", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320849}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452987.123769, "message": "although maybe that's because we didn't need to get into implementation", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320886}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451987.0045309, "message": "so perhaps the execution order can become one pipe that datasources and events share?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320471}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452106.9468949, "message": "what else?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320524}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452211.8952861, "message": "so at the moment you get one chance to view the Event XML", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320550}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451636.4687121, "message": "so we'll need to sort out the architecture for both event types and event filters", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320337}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452708.4757919, "message": "but not from the UI anywhere... ok", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320779}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452739.7660711, "message": "cache is likely to be full of other stuff as it is", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320788}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452567.3646591, "message": "sorry, didn't scroll first", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320720}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453081.779453, "message": "probably params", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320924}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451869.2665229, "message": "DS* so if an event references another via default/override, dependency order is calculated", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320416}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452057.6081369, "message": "each View has a pipe of resources that need to be executed", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320512}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452422.7067051, "message": "#winning", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320643}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451699.9959071, "message": "any proposals around execution order and chaining?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320357}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451833.439326, "message": "Email Template Filter has this concept with the expressions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320401}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452319.924022, "message": "Yeah, that's how it works", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320608}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452358.8452189, "message": "so you could go to ?debug and view the previous snapshot?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320623}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452364.8731899, "message": "problem solved?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320625}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452368.2094431, "message": "yeah, there's a list fo them", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320626}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452439.4428589, "message": "or anytime the view executes?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320651}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452228.8634219, "message": "yup", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320559}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452967.8951261, "message": "thanks all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320883}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453031.077327, "message": "will do, what's the next chat about?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320899}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453050.2368879, "message": "um...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320914}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451930.7363579, "message": "Something that concerns me with our current approach is that events can't happen after datasources", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320448}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452065.771601, "message": "they can be Events/Datasources and just will get fire one after the other", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320514}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452557.540803, "message": "and how many snapshots will it save?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320714}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452763.146153, "message": "anything else?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320797}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453019.4063649, "message": "@allen http://rdrkt.me/qye6", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320895}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453187.1799459, "message": "k. no worries.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320970}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451703.499073, "message": "Right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320359}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451951.8372681, "message": "interesting", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320458}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452432.9216881, "message": "but these would be snapshots created when ?debug is viewed?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320647}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452675.116672, "message": "can you purge old snapshots?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320767}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451956.281857, "message": "that's a good one", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320461}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307451981.4789801, "message": "use case?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320468}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452018.4893429, "message": "I think it should be", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320487}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452029.2522731, "message": "so Views have a 'Resources' list that can be orderable and include both events and DSes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320490}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452037.004077, "message": "?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320492}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452043.1405499, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320498}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452052.014235, "message": "sounds good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320510}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452075.931788, "message": "that's a cool solution for things like sharing the param pool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320516}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452223.3661571, "message": "refreshing the page does it all again", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320554}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452242.258471, "message": "I know devkit has states or something similar, I wonder if these include Event XML?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320568}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452418.2578781, "message": "WINNAH", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320639}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452327.3266649, "message": "@buzzomatic true/false?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320610}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452744.111948, "message": "yup", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320793}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452758.973949, "message": "so in principle this solves the debug issue", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320795}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452989.954711, "message": ":-", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320887}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453267.9658151, "message": "Thanks all. Later.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1321005}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452696.789849, "message": "rm -rf", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320776}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453019.7170269, "message": "you two have a good night", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320896}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452522.191895, "message": "ah right i remember now", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320696}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452720.7624249, "message": "I don't think there's a huge need for that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320783}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452540.0783451, "message": "fantastic", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320703}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452596.6849899, "message": "Until you run out of space", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320730}, {"user_id": 23042, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452711.8740411, "message": "Nope", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320781}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453002.4859021, "message": "anyway, I'll post a review soon on Github", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320889}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452829.1619411, "message": "any remaining concerns/comments/questions/complaints?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320827}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452966.1172121, "message": "ok, great.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320880}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307452976.871201, "message": "I think this one was nice and straightforward for the most part", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320885}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453018.185216, "message": "cool thanks craig", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320894}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453072.8088951, "message": "either params or extensions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320919}, {"user_id": 27420, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307453176.37573, "message": "Ok, same deal as last week, got soccer so will probably miss first half/bit", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1320966}, {"user_id": 23057, "stars": [], "topic_id": 38458, "date_created": 1307454350.656091, "message": "Just got connection again. Late to the party. Bye guys.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 1321407}]
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