convore.json/groups/symphony-wg/ux-chat-12-april-2011/messages.json

[{"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609785.592021, "message": ":P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640998}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606789.412668, "message": "I built these Subsection Tabs for our private websites", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640266}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606385.7767019, "message": "It needs some encouragement", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640175}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606307.2754469, "message": "Hello Convore. How are you?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640160}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606324.2972131, "message": "He's remarkably quiet", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640164}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606624.3728349, "message": "I hope you consider that a good thing!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640225}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606661.822731, "message": "The client projects are really nice - handsome clients", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640235}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606674.0914099, "message": "but they need to be done, too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640241}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606599.1357789, "message": "there's a lot to do currently", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640218}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606616.466258, "message": "some personal projects that need to be done and quite a few client projects", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640223}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606632.1941171, "message": "I do", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640228}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606687.828465, "message": "no, not yet", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640248}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606587.736367, "message": "I'm fine", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640216}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606751.9078121, "message": "Personal websites a never finished...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640260}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606753.2705741, "message": "and the still to be published site of Johanna's and my bureau", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640261}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606796.2360051, "message": "Ah yes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640268}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606798.0303881, "message": "and I'm currently updating Date and Time for it, too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640271}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606707.176079, "message": "hey guys, back at you in 15 mins", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640251}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606474.0387609, "message": "Maybe I find some sweets here in the office", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640186}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606526.066457, "message": ":-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640200}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606529.171706, "message": "How you doing anyway?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640201}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606629.6525681, "message": "yes :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640227}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606714.3156519, "message": "No worries", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640253}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606717.1266241, "message": "most of the client projects will be done by the end of this month", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640254}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606729.3545351, "message": "the personal projects are mainly updates", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640256}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606812.0920529, "message": "we are just realigning ours", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640278}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606353.289063, "message": "Maybe a bit shy?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640170}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606668.106529, "message": "the personal projects are lovely", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640238}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606672.3798029, "message": "I'm envious ;-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640239}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606676.55565, "message": "Anything to show?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640243}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606681.6279371, "message": "and that's the hard part of it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640245}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606735.9589529, "message": "to my own website", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640258}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606763.4971521, "message": "yeah, that's the problem", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640262}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606764.1801469, "message": "I'm _always_ changing mine locally and never finishing it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640263}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606788.3168421, "message": "The one that's live isn't that good, but it was the only one I've ever finished in about three years, so I felt like I had to deploy it!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640264}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607560.9790461, "message": "w00t just worked out one of sites is getting ~20% conversion rate", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640459}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608080.1771801, "message": "The last 3 I wanted Craig to elaborate on as he's coordinating them, so as to reduce any duplicate work", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640607}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608118.8017211, "message": "No excuses, Nick, you're the worst UX WG chief ever", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640619}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608402.780771, "message": "But it's not really a big deal, happy either way", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640694}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608186.36044, "message": "ahah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640634}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608449.5476389, "message": "it improves the form's \"readability\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640705}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608792.5087171, "message": "There's a rendering bug for the Password field. <- I should have fixed that yesterday", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640792}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609030.2449811, "message": "otherwise the table might grow too much", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640849}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607997.18413, "message": "back", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640579}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608465.5008049, "message": "Hallo.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640707}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608479.6314249, "message": "Just barely.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640711}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608486.652658, "message": "Maybe that depends on how your browser displays checkboxes and toggles", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640713}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608504.524158, "message": "Hey everyone.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640720}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608551.625598, "message": "so that they're there but not that prominent", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640736}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608694.028574, "message": "I think the borders help.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640772}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608717.0989439, "message": "Especially when we're mixing element types.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640776}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608337.7020421, "message": "I like the Roles table's look, but I'd remove the left and right borders around the \"Edit\" column as they break conventions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640678}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608680.408772, "message": "The events visibility?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640766}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609189.355195, "message": "I think every event should be in the table.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640891}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606830.6517439, "message": "integrating Twitter, Flickr and Zootools streams", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640283}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607647.274626, "message": "Hey Jonas", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640486}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607910.61906, "message": "@klaftertief: How could you! Your are German!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640550}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608125.5011561, "message": "Indeed!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640622}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608518.2640181, "message": "we could also reduce the padding between radio buttons", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640725}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608535.2745531, "message": "sorry I was in the middle of a though :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640732}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608613.373982, "message": "Ok. Will have a play later today and post up to Basecamp", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640750}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608663.215147, "message": "There's a rendering bug for the Password field. But anything bigger?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640760}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608789.025389, "message": "I remembered a discussion about which Events should be visible in the roles edit page.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640791}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608797.258239, "message": "But it's solved.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640793}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608857.6695139, "message": "Yep, and https://github.com/symphonycms/members/issues/65", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640808}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609058.6534381, "message": "Usually when things are hidden in Symphony it's down to incorrect naming, to autoloading doesn't find it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640858}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609369.62941, "message": "Depends what your custom event is doing", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640932}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609861.865365, "message": "But right now we need to make a suggestion. We can suggest to Core that the logic to deciding if permissions apply is another task", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641012}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606840.2648971, "message": "Sounds good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640286}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606854.5368979, "message": "ha - it's frightening me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640288}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607565.960947, "message": "http://vampirevictim.com/", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640460}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606923.857806, "message": "Back in 15", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640301}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302606928.5069079, "message": "yep", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640302}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608939.0725031, "message": "Good point. Have posted to the forum for Brendan to clarify", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640824}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609102.453979, "message": "I wonder if having them in the table, but grey them out in the usual \"inactive\" style, might remove ambiguity", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640872}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608271.9366741, "message": "back", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640660}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608387.6163681, "message": "We don't really have a convention for rows of form elements ;-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640692}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607952.8392889, "message": "He's on the emails. I spoke to him last week and he said that he would try to make it. But I haven't heard from him since, so I'm doubtful", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640558}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610060.3885911, "message": "Hi Craig", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641065}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607621.7368331, "message": "Hey guys.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640477}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607758.325717, "message": "@nickdunn website workout?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640510}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607569.1830881, "message": "Happy.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640462}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608229.479249, "message": "I must admit I haven't used the latest beta yet, but we did a bit of work in simplifying the Roles table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640654}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607889.1499209, "message": "Back in 5 (forgot my sausages ;-))", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640548}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608197.7831941, "message": "So first up, Members!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640641}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608509.7812769, "message": "On a Mac the rounded checkboxes are very similar to radio buttons", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640721}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608164.6048059, "message": ":)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640629}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608470.956687, "message": "moreover every other table in the backend doesn't have \"vertical\" borders", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640709}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608493.033771, "message": "Hey Max", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640716}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608592.9543149, "message": ":/", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640744}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302607897.685483, "message": "Will Max join us, too?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640549}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608180.262264, "message": "Yeah, that sounds acceptable", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640632}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608183.953418, "message": ";)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640633}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608340.2831359, "message": "it's the only change I suggest", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640682}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608018.9486001, "message": "Great", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640586}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608090.931155, "message": "Firstly... apologies that we haven't had a meeting in so long!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640613}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608473.6645479, "message": "He's ALIVE!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640710}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608485.029237, "message": "Drunk?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640712}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608951.434175, "message": "It's a tricky one", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640826}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609885.912513, "message": "we are only talking about the *look*, not the logic", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641018}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609950.946892, "message": "Do we show all events or not?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641036}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610045.3936901, "message": "Removing this logic on its own won't fix anything, since Login info would then become visible", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641061}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610053.9568789, "message": "So in conclusion, I think Core needs to think about this some more", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641062}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610056.6330781, "message": ":-P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641063}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610361.8881111, "message": "Nils? Max?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641121}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608421.396518, "message": "I've broken so many conventions in my extensions that I don't think this is real problem", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640697}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608444.2766969, "message": "I think it's clear enough that \"Create\" and \"Edit\" are different things :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640702}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608521.308167, "message": "hey Max!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640727}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608655.0424311, "message": "One last thing related to the Roles", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640757}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608692.3935561, "message": "I find that more irritating than the borders inside the list", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640771}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608729.173528, "message": "okay, three vs. one, you won :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640779}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609618.5772209, "message": "However, I think the whole \"another property\" discussion is one for the Core WG", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640966}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609676.9449041, "message": "Or a blacklist in the preferences. (Don't like it.)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640972}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609765.733439, "message": "Greyed out makes sense to me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640992}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609823.890697, "message": "I can imagine a lot of custom events you want to be in the list...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641004}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609852.47788, "message": "...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641011}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610460.1501541, "message": "exactly :P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641150}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614761.0520539, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642275}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610059.817215, "message": "I thought the problem was that we don't want events to be hidden even if they are not useful in the table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641064}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608706.401679, "message": "Self-contained is nice", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640775}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609441.454267, "message": "Does there need to be another PHP property on an event class to allow it to be fully hidden?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640946}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610027.338208, "message": "Morning guys... sorry I'm late. Daylight savings time threw me off.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641055}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608968.3527651, "message": "If you customise a normal event just a tiny bit, you still want it to be in the table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640831}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609069.3366981, "message": "so*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640861}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609072.120295, "message": "Hehe", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640863}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608011.503684, "message": "What's on our agenda for today?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640583}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608288.0555899, "message": "(I have to admit that I've never used Members until now - I once tried to install it and it was broken that time)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640664}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608542.149214, "message": "What about using a transparent shade of grey for the left and right borders", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640733}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608608.0492821, "message": "hm?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640749}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608675.68344, "message": "You could try to add left and right borders to the whole table as well", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640764}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609059.5732629, "message": "Depends whether you want to avoid answering the same question the in the forum a couple of times.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640859}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609782.1332409, "message": "Doesn't to me.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640994}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609915.352056, "message": "My vote is for \"not shown\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641026}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [{"date_created": 1302608310.0252249, "user_id": 22655}], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608051.518327, "message": "1. Members extension (remaining tasks)\n2. Symphony 2.2.1 (remaining tasks)\n3. Symphony 2.3 (UI refinements)\n4. Survey results and persona development (Craig)\n5. symphony-cms.com refinements (Craig)\n6. Symphony 3! (Craig)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640601}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608096.1237781, "message": "Things have been very... busy", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640614}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608140.3170249, "message": "I hang my head in shame.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640626}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608527.954284, "message": "So it was a way for the three last columns to be grouped together", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640730}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609406.0943761, "message": "I'm just worried about workspaces with a lot of events that don't care about permissions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640938}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608364.596148, "message": "I started without those, but added them because it felt like there needed to be some differentiation", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640687}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608500.9367471, "message": "Overworked, underpaid.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640719}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608688.1864591, "message": "Yeah. That was in Simone's comp so will try that too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640769}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608811.081363, "message": "http://symphony-cms.com/discuss/thread/65565/4/#position-74", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640796}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609014.522285, "message": "hidden in my opinion", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640842}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609034.064276, "message": "True", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640851}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608470.5401199, "message": "https://symphonycms.basecamphq.com/projects/5610942/file/76898734/Screen%20shot%202011-03-28%20at%2017.24.31.png vs https://symphonycms.basecamphq.com/projects/5610942/file/77074013/members_roles.png", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640708}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608632.2850659, "message": "Other than the Roles table, is there anything else UX-y outstanding for Members?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640753}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608725.7704101, "message": "@klaftertief, visibility?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640777}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608979.7710559, "message": "But an entirely custom event might not response at all to Members, so should be hidden", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640836}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302608991.4806809, "message": "Or should they all be visible, but the form elements disabled?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640839}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609192.2644939, "message": "I don't think it is a good idea to have a separate table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640893}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610184.889539, "message": "Sorry Craig. There I was saying GMT when I meant GMT+1. Summer time messes with my head", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641085}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610240.7491231, "message": "Okay, but since this is one for the Core WG, let's suppose we have a way to distinguish between events that are useful and events that are not", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641098}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610247.2749121, "message": "All events need a getSource() method, even if they're not interfacing with a section https://github.com/symphonycms/workspace/blob/master/events/event.publish_article.php#L25", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641099}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609624.247134, "message": "Members could maintain a list of events it has power over in general.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640968}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609029.196193, "message": "Black magic?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640848}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609124.5578001, "message": "They could be included at the end (in a separate table).", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640878}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609308.7001719, "message": "In my opinion, either we show them in gray without any further setting or we hide them and perhaps add some copy to clarify", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640920}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609331.7163169, "message": "I'm in favour of the former, show but disable them", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640924}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609383.867444, "message": "One that does geolocation, or login info...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640933}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609416.444082, "message": "Sure. But the developer should be able to have customized events that respond to the roles.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640939}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609426.8412681, "message": "That's the conundrum", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640942}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609548.4039979, "message": "In the past I've just switched allowEditorToParse to true temporarily", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640959}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609734.022589, "message": "?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640984}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609920.728792, "message": "Although to be honest if Core come up with a decent solution for letting custom events exist in the table, we don't need to show those others at all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641028}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609942.459219, "message": "I'm confused", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641031}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610039.9060841, "message": "Sup.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641058}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610041.1064751, "message": "Hi Craig.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641059}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610096.4287989, "message": "Is it possible to detect whether an extension extends the event.section.php?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641073}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610399.029038, "message": "I would think so", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641132}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610402.934752, "message": "Me too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641135}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610445.811929, "message": "leave it up to core to decide how to implement", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641147}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609213.3534141, "message": "And maybe with a setting in the event to hide it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640898}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609350.843287, "message": "We should be careful not to add to much copy to the backend", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640927}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609356.8191521, "message": "noone reads it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640930}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609394.59112, "message": "Section based events might, but yeah, others like Nick lists wouldn't.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640935}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609452.8402131, "message": "We use allowEditorToParse but it doesn't work for all events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640949}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609468.1290109, "message": "Another property.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640951}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609471.846586, "message": "allowMembersToParse?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640953}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609518.4399149, "message": "Into the realms of coupling core with an extension's concepts", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640956}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609567.9746571, "message": "By \"in the past\" I mean \"once\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640961}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609579.052423, "message": "Hm", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640963}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609785.052913, "message": "Ah.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640997}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609834.189873, "message": "- chained events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641007}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609851.5778151, "message": "- defaults for field set", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641010}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609874.181164, "message": "exactly", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641015}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609875.385227, "message": "Agree", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641016}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609914.890739, "message": "Makes sense to me \u2014 long as those events are outside the members permissions.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641025}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609987.084053, "message": "But if Core come up with a nice way of marking an event class as being custom, but also that it responds to permissions...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641045}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610013.3834889, "message": "Yeah.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641052}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610235.9061, "message": "np. This custom events thing has been a pain in the ass for me, personally, on teh Symphony site", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641097}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609529.9706819, "message": "Yeah, that's my concern.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640957}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610651.5104411, "message": "sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641190}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610972.9990721, "message": "to me the current interface looks a bit dated", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641263}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611424.5461521, "message": "We should definitely do this.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641390}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611474.0431719, "message": "but if you just used the classes everything will be fine", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641402}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609300.203686, "message": "Things are usually sorted alphabetically so we should stick to thsat", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640917}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609351.0815661, "message": "But most of the customized events would still respond to the roles settings, wouldn't they?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640928}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609365.616045, "message": "fine", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640931}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609679.417433, "message": "we should only care about the way events are shown in the Roles table", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640974}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609704.7072561, "message": "too complex imho", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640977}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609888.66412, "message": "But events that cannot have permissions set (Login info) we're suggesting should be in the list... but disabled", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641019}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609960.587733, "message": "Right now, yes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641040}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609474.3630021, "message": "lol", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640954}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609732.7369139, "message": "So for now we should suggest that all are shown, but if allowEditorToParse is set, we show it as disabled", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640983}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609781.6271, "message": "Cool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640993}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302609790.043282, "message": "not that scalable, but...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 640999}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610004.531019, "message": "Then we only need to show these reponsive events, and others can be safely hidden", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641049}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610213.5573001, "message": "Brendan answered: \"They won't be hidden from the table, all events will be treated equally.\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641094}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610408.3660231, "message": "Yeah, but again it seems a little odd to integrate that into the core when (probably most) won't need it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641136}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610518.3035419, "message": "Any volunteers?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641168}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610927.659796, "message": "that's not true", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641246}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610948.3175421, "message": "Tag team :-D", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641254}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611186.664916, "message": "Muchly nice.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641315}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611466.2302661, "message": "In this case there will be a conflict", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641400}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610069.764771, "message": "hey Craig", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641069}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610099.049298, "message": "Yeah, perhaps. My thought was that some custom events \"might\" be useful, we don;t have a way of knowing either way by inspecing allowEditorToParse", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641074}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610931.484534, "message": "okay", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641248}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611792.8737869, "message": "ahah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641491}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611958.2808211, "message": "That's the reason for the maybe ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641534}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611961.037802, "message": "I have an idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641535}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611968.908628, "message": "which might work even better", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641539}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612098.0097821, "message": "Confirm dialogs block the browser (yes, I know Firefox ...)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641567}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612191.766933, "message": "but I won't cry if this discussion is postponed until we talk about S3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641582}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610327.030081, "message": "Useful ones", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641119}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610376.1940839, "message": "So the new property should be an exclude. We assume events are permission-able by default?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641126}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610471.6777079, "message": "that's what I way trying to say", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641152}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611866.453325, "message": "Simone and I finish the style update", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641511}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612396.3005159, "message": "great", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641629}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610016.2586889, "message": "The problem that exists presently is custom events disappear", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641053}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610322.4256821, "message": "Developer needs a way to specify whether an event should be permission-able (!), but the default right now is to hide them which I don't like", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641116}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610824.604605, "message": "and the UI refinements", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641235}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611013.924473, "message": "I'm uploading a few screenshots in the meantime", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641274}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611157.0749519, "message": "http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4096074/symphony/Schermata-1.png", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641310}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611437.6442499, "message": "Sorry, I'm a little out of touch \u2014 is there a limited scope for these changes already?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641394}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610254.8510311, "message": "do we only show useful events or do we just gray out useless ones?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641100}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610400.598742, "message": "@eKoeS: I have no opinion on that because I have never worked with it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641134}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610849.075182, "message": "Sure. I know next to nothing about this, so would be great to see what you've been cooking up", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641238}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611530.271101, "message": "and I agree with Tony that 2.2.2 is not good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641424}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611798.0944951, "message": "animated gif of a fire in the corner", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641494}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611878.029526, "message": "- updated colour scheme which is not to cold", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641513}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610308.18363, "message": "only show useful events", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641112}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610431.493798, "message": "That said, it doesn't hurt anyone.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641142}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610437.148947, "message": "Well, you only have to integrate it in custom events.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641143}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610516.4751101, "message": "Then I say show them. Developers can remove all permissions if they want to.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641167}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610674.1915691, "message": "Sweet. Anything else on Members?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641194}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611143.3407509, "message": "The idea is", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641304}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611167.256742, "message": "S2 uses a brown-grey style, whereas S3 uses blue-grey", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641313}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611200.1546841, "message": "Why so?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641318}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611225.7759981, "message": "Why it looks oldfashioned?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641327}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611525.7862639, "message": "that's a S3 thing", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641422}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611535.3441501, "message": "yes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641426}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611563.613802, "message": "but 2.3 could be the \"polish UI\" release", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641431}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611792.467041, "message": "*g*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641490}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611798.27705, "message": "May I propose something?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641495}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612325.4392259, "message": "I think that an UI refresh is not that bad after all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641607}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612343.908329, "message": "the team, the WGs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641613}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612377.991612, "message": "I agree with Nils: work on warmth (not too metallic or sterile), consider modal boxes if they add tangible benefits, and post for review for S2.3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641625}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610502.572372, "message": "Shall I summarise and post to the forum?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641162}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612630.4652469, "message": "just the separate indexes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641678}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610685.613234, "message": "If not, on to Symphony 2.2.1", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641199}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610783.7646439, "message": "extensions: install vs. enable", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641222}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610795.4497011, "message": "A few new things have come up recently, but wondering if we should tackle for 2.3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641225}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610875.1197059, "message": "Simone, shall I or would you like to tell the story", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641239}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610956.9439781, "message": "I've written about the reasons on BC", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641257}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611384.2960169, "message": "1. no (but an IE extension is on the horizon)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641379}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611433.4040899, "message": "sorry about the IE extension, it was my fault for the delay", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641393}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611845.022758, "message": "I think we could replace the cursor arrow with Allen's head!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641507}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611885.047667, "message": "- modal boxes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641514}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610455.7407629, "message": "for UX purposes we're only concerned about the behavior", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641149}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610476.9731719, "message": "*was", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641153}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610546.8532989, "message": "there's another question re: default states, but we can discuss it another time. I haven't played with the most recent build thoroughly enough to know how it handles it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641172}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610803.539165, "message": "but I think we can discuss that issue in another moment", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641226}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610929.0284181, "message": "so, your turn", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641247}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610493.9221411, "message": "Ok let's wrap this up, time is ticking", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641159}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612743.030237, "message": "if 2.3 is all about UI that would be just fine I think", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641695}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610789.2473471, "message": "yes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641224}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610806.3186109, "message": "Rather than throw them on to a todo list just before RC", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641228}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611658.333276, "message": "(sorry Nils, go on...)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641467}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610605.6280739, "message": "New BC thread?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641186}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610747.562145, "message": "And whether there are remaining tasks that need to be discussed herre", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641213}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610987.8011019, "message": "so Simone and I started updating the current styles", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641265}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610998.6162789, "message": "it's all in the realign branch of my Symphony fork", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641269}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611034.705765, "message": "and have ported back the gradient used in the navigation", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641279}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611615.3299761, "message": "however, apart from the brown color", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641454}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611975.1941559, "message": "but I need to check that out myself", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641543}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613143.265275, "message": "It's bundled as a submodule.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641795}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613169.7134049, "message": "I thought that was the reasons to have extensions: to be able to release faster", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641806}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613883.194761, "message": "XSLT?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641987}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610748.6031909, "message": "Do it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641215}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610810.472697, "message": "and move on to 2.3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641230}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610907.426676, "message": "I'm not good at telling stories ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641244}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302610934.042197, "message": ";P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641249}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611021.3118589, "message": "we have taken inspiration form S3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641276}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611094.2164741, "message": "until now there are no fundamental changes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641297}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611106.568166, "message": "the colour scheme changed a bit", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641301}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611122.5273089, "message": "but in general we tried to work on a modern interpretation of S2", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641302}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611139.5128009, "message": "Cool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641303}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611150.669039, "message": "I know there were a few negative comments about the changing colour scheme", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641306}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611156.1327159, "message": "make it look like S2 but with a S3 taste", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641307}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611186.0995741, "message": "Especially this brown-grey looks old-fashioned in my eyes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641314}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611218.949333, "message": "I already looked old a year ago when Symphony 2.1 aka Symphony 3 was styled", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641323}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611247.244761, "message": "Yeah. I don't consider the greys to look outdated", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641332}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611256.085855, "message": "Hehe", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641338}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611270.554641, "message": "Two things I think we have to consider, in seriousness:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641342}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611273.981585, "message": "Yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641343}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611301.8763821, "message": "1. Will the CSS3 be cross-browser compatible (fallbacks for IE)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641350}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611394.966351, "message": "2. Yes, perhaps", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641384}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611411.600697, "message": "2. Yes, but which things have you been copying?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641385}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611143.6968579, "message": "http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4096074/symphony/Schermata.png", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641305}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611654.8601429, "message": "I'm not in love with the brown, but I think we need to be careful we don't make the interface too cold.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641465}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611950.2958159, "message": "Although I don't know what you had in mind", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641533}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611971.0373571, "message": "But yes, I agree with the above in principle", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641540}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612526.029928, "message": "that is not related to the UI refinement", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641657}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611480.169564, "message": "There was no scope set at the outset, which got a lot of people worried that it would be too radical for a minor point release", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641407}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611566.0857811, "message": "so we thought to release the UI refresh in time for 2.3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641435}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612761.5553541, "message": "Ack", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641700}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611252.215709, "message": "It reminds me of of some really old Windows applications I have been using at university", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641335}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611262.0892229, "message": ":\u00b0D", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641340}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611348.557528, "message": "2. Will extensions need updating to use the new styles? I know a few of mine have copied the Symphony CSS into their own CSS files to build UI. So these will look out of date", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641368}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611380.2053609, "message": "1. It shouldn't be a problem to provide fallbacks", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641378}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611415.8912411, "message": "Ah yes, the fabled IE extension :-P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641386}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611445.5739729, "message": "#2 I can't remember. I definitely have copied the table blues", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641395}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611568.337739, "message": "codeword \"Picasso\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641437}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611656.6266799, "message": "First: There are a few styles some extensions share, that could be part of the core (e. g. tabs or that gradient used by Publish Filtering)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641466}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611640.5217991, "message": "the old colors have been retained, only \"updated\" with gradients", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641462}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611934.788234, "message": "I don't think With Selected needs any work for now. It's already in its most simple form", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641527}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611494.705647, "message": "But I think scope has been refined to \"style, not structure\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641414}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611506.7727611, "message": "yes, we don't want to change the structure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641417}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611514.0584371, "message": "Sure.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641418}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611606.3476491, "message": "There are two ideas in this context I like to discuss", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641450}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611961.799437, "message": "Hehe", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641536}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611971.5915959, "message": "My two cents: my tendency with a realign would be to simplify the chrome as much as possible, and try to reduce the separation between the site title and the nav.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641542}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612338.7705159, "message": "there have been changes since Symphony 2.0, after all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641611}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612357.424114, "message": "and so on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641617}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612442.552285, "message": "The good thing is that we already have a pretty good consistency between the styling of the various extensions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641638}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612612.04159, "message": "Roll your EDUI extension, or a variant thereof, into the core?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641673}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612784.725765, "message": "*I'll tell", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641705}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613166.9446559, "message": "we could update it, and then update the submodule in the next maintenance release", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641805}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613222.1910679, "message": "?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641823}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611515.1533821, "message": "Actually, I never thought about changing structure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641419}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611578.838407, "message": ":\u00b0D", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641442}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611700.7791691, "message": "Second: I'd like to introduce a modal box for confirm messages (I know Firefox 4 offers its own modal box but ...)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641473}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611772.3846011, "message": "@Max: You're right about the coldness - we should take care of that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641485}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612051.6407011, "message": "what was once S3 is already a ghost", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641554}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612493.6152971, "message": "Great work, chaps.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641648}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612517.666888, "message": "I'd like to propose another change for Symphony 2.2.dunno", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641654}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612578.914185, "message": "it can be summarized as: the \"Components\" page is terrible", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641666}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612619.693119, "message": "no the entire EDUI", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641674}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612918.7842491, "message": "They seem to have the biggest todo lists!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641739}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613045.9723821, "message": "Ditto. Is it more Core than UX? Definitely a UX aspect to the settings duplicator", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641778}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613326.5132339, "message": "what's next?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641849}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612034.661509, "message": "Sure. I'm not talking structural changes though.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641548}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612379.802022, "message": "so, as long as it's just a refresh, it resembles the way things are behind the curtain", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641626}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612610.1936879, "message": "seriously, I have nightmares about it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641672}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613147.687377, "message": "or new commit rather", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641799}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613154.454807, "message": "no", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641802}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613512.818522, "message": "We got a total of 258 survey responses (though I think 2 were tests)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641901}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613793.032407, "message": "the results, again, not surprising", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641970}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611906.1630139, "message": "we post our result on BC for discussion", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641522}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612140.202539, "message": "And if you want to provide styled text, confirm dialogs won't work", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641576}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613557.4209521, "message": "results, for the most part, are not suprising", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641918}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612514.09268, "message": ":)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641653}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612809.085114, "message": "He's ducked out, at least for the time being... He's going to try to pitch in if he can but cannot commit", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641710}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611784.3669031, "message": "You could make all the text red?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641486}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611789.0033171, "message": "Heh.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641489}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612060.3121829, "message": "I'm not keen on the idea of a modal dialogue purely because I'm not at all adverse to browser alert/confirm dialogues. I don't feel like they degrade the user experience and never expect them to be branded the same as the application. But I'd love to be convinced otherwise.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641557}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612683.749543, "message": "yes, that's right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641687}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612895.3680301, "message": "ouch :/", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641729}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612950.5751591, "message": "like \"We want you!\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641749}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613611.3348751, "message": "71% of respondents, for example, call themselves a Developer (compared with55% for Designer, and 20% or less for the others)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641926}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613771.561496, "message": "but the open ended questions require coding", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641968}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613785.978893, "message": "I've done two of them, as Nick mentioned", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641969}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611744.0840061, "message": "And related to this, I'm not sure if the \"with selected\" interface could be simplified - but I still have to think about that", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641481}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611832.6514461, "message": "so, my proposal:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641505}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612657.5431581, "message": "so we can also unify the styles", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641682}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612661.157892, "message": "In principle this is cool. But we have to consider documentation I think", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641684}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612727.479197, "message": "fine for me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641691}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612768.790175, "message": "I'll the Jonas when he's happy enough", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641702}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613742.7866399, "message": "But I guess we need to do the rest", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641960}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613889.8240349, "message": "Don't all volunteer at once :P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641990}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613921.31195, "message": "In its current form, it's useless", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641997}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614271.083127, "message": "I'm optiming for a white page. Symphony logo + Facebook \"like\" button", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642119}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614333.382349, "message": "anyway, i'm not really sure the best way to engage you all with this atm", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642144}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612716.4542811, "message": "I don't think anyone's fighting to keep Components, but this feels like a change for 2.3 rather than one of the 2.2.* maintenance releases", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641689}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612772.923198, "message": "Jonas Hero Downey", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641704}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612909.8708429, "message": "Shame. Docs and Advocacy should be the biggest and busiest really", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641733}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612943.955827, "message": "blog post on the website?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641746}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613021.813324, "message": "I like this recipe thing", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641771}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614359.745048, "message": "Nils already kick started discussion with the Github Issues thread", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642153}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611797.3226831, "message": "good idea!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641493}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612046.9361069, "message": "I just think its the preponderance of drop shadows and gradients that makes the interface look a little dated.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641553}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612102.1630969, "message": "(long as you can press enter to confirm and esc to cancel I'm happy)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641569}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612464.3411541, "message": "Any more to add on 2.3 UI refinements?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641643}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613218.804671, "message": "ok, so I expand the settings duplicator, we revisit and roll it in.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641822}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613282.102711, "message": "Cool.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641839}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613455.7436991, "message": "oh, go ahead", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641889}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613526.117312, "message": "it was up for, what, a little over a week or so?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641909}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611823.765789, "message": "@czheng: this can certainly done with CSS3!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641502}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612036.474951, "message": "S3 isn't supposed to do anything until we tell it to", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641550}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612854.6845019, "message": "and Andrew Shooner?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641716}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613077.655781, "message": "I like the idea of having the different JIT modes in the dropdown as recipe types", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641785}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612224.1063931, "message": "It's definitely worth investigating, so long as it solves problems rather than being \"because we can\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641587}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612275.702647, "message": "I think what you guys have done is very cool! It's more refined than what I was expecting ;-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641597}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613532.811729, "message": "that's pretty solid", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641911}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613627.1708491, "message": "anyway, I've not gone through yet and very thoroughly parsed the results", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641930}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613905.1326239, "message": "I'm in, of course", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641995}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611896.9092121, "message": "- and maybe an update to the \"with selected\" box", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641518}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612044.682673, "message": ":P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641552}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612204.0594521, "message": "as long as the colour scheme gets an update", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641584}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612210.2432461, "message": "ah and by the way:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641585}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612238.4367819, "message": "the current realign reduces the headers height which is helpful for smaller screens", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641590}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612371.3293869, "message": "Okay, let's move on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641622}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302611927.1366301, "message": "and based on that feedback we push the changes to 2.3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641525}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612016.5908589, "message": "@Max: But isn't that what S3 is supposed to do (re: reduce the separation)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641547}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613033.5885761, "message": "me too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641773}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613045.071357, "message": "ATM there is only the \"custom rule\" recipe.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641777}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614121.5472641, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642070}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612407.9538741, "message": "There are extra UI patterns such as tabs that do need consideration, but for another time", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641634}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612624.438463, "message": "absolutely not", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641676}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612752.133374, "message": "okay!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641698}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612651.9152141, "message": "the whole filtering part could me merged into your \"Publish filtering\" extension", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641680}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612667.0929461, "message": "For 4 years we have the term \"Components\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641685}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612743.1166141, "message": "as far as I can recall from my discussions with Allen, he's not opposed to this", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641696}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612745.884609, "message": "Yeah, give Docs enough warning to update things :P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641697}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612756.970495, "message": "Docs WG is down to one man unfortunately", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641699}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612767.784611, "message": "but yeah he and I will take care of it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641701}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612770.807626, "message": "Really? Who's left?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641703}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612789.6524, "message": "What about John?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641707}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612849.494194, "message": "Who were the others?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641715}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612887.052753, "message": "yeah Andrew. he's gone. too busy", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641727}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612901.9935811, "message": "documentation is not fun", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641732}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612940.1344991, "message": "There are _so_ many cool ideas floating around on their todo lists", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641745}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613002.272871, "message": "JIT Recipes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641767}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613078.109452, "message": "Should I create templates for each JIT mode and this goes into 2.3?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641786}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613146.0675781, "message": "It gets bundled in the release, but I don't think it should be limited to the release cycle should it?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641798}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613268.5832541, "message": "It's called ImageChef, and you supply JSON recipes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641834}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613272.5817921, "message": ";-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641837}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302612991.5455959, "message": "I have one last thing for 2.3(?) as well:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641766}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613038.5041139, "message": "I like cooking", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641774}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613044.4745791, "message": "and good recipes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641775}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613053.4065671, "message": "Yep", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641781}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613116.3156149, "message": "Can JIT can be updated asynchronously to Symphony?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641790}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613132.4878759, "message": "sort of", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641793}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613143.5306759, "message": "would require a Symphony update to point to the new submodule", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641796}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613350.1583979, "message": "Next up, I wheel in my stunt double, Craig Zheng", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641854}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613362.9602821, "message": "yes, we drop Members and we release 2.3 in a few days, right?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641860}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613647.475451, "message": "Yeah, so the end result of this is twofold", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641936}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613966.238961, "message": "Tell you what. I'll code the data and chart them up in a very basic form", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642010}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614189.3508711, "message": "sorry, yes", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642090}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614220.8289411, "message": "rebuilding the site to be streamlined, simplified, to keep everything in one place, provide notifications, ad so on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642102}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614831.7923219, "message": "Or something.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642310}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615454.6564209, "message": "Max get the fuck out of my head pls", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642576}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613228.5501571, "message": "Jonas I'd be happy to collaborate if you want help", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641827}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613256.622067, "message": "We use the BBC's image tool that might fgive you some inspiration. I'll dig out their docs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641832}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613432.060226, "message": "I'll work up Members roles table and will suggest to Core about the events visibility. Nothing left for 2.2.1, it's almsot in RC so we should leave it be. 2.3 we consider UI refinements, JIT update and the extenion install/enable (to be discussed elsewhere over the next days/weeks)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641876}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613441.728745, "message": "Last three items on the agenda:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641882}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613663.5016041, "message": "1. We have some quantitative data about our users", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641940}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613690.4034021, "message": "2. We extrapolate these into some \"real\" personas that we can use while developing the Symphony site and perhaps Symphony itself", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641947}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613895.427587, "message": "I'll raise my hand", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641992}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613943.953042, "message": "People have a genuine interest, which is great, so maybe a brief blog post once we've got some interesting insight", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642007}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613753.1456399, "message": "Who's a stats whore?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641962}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614094.0545399, "message": "Cool. I'll chat with Craig about how he coded them and I'll make a start. Will post the exported stuff to BC when it's ready", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642055}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614175.667877, "message": "Is everyone aware that Craig is planning redeveloping the site?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642088}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614611.894469, "message": "The main issue is forcing people to use Github, yeah?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642224}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614635.7692521, "message": "@nick: Only thing I've seen is the Cappuccino app.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642233}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614920.424068, "message": "I want *you* to do the notifications, Nick.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642341}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615365.0125041, "message": "Another place to criticise :p", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642536}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615607.902319, "message": "Simple, simple, simple.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642645}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615729.6868191, "message": "Depends what you're selling.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642674}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614390.390491, "message": "are there any designs you can share with us?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642161}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613758.2570629, "message": "yes... so most of the data is already analyzed via Google Docs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641963}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614150.649467, "message": "Yeah, so... this will definitely require UX love", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642076}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614160.2928541, "message": "the basic ideas are more or less in place", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642081}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614400.045984, "message": "nothing complete, no.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642166}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614613.182539, "message": "I tweeted the other day asking poeople for uses of Github API but nothing really came up", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642225}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614763.8680789, "message": "(https://github.com/nickdunn/github_api/tree/master/fields(", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642278}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614974.213593, "message": "Okay, I'll try it step by step :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642361}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614981.066869, "message": "issues are on Github", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642363}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615117.3461931, "message": "so I don't need it on symphony-cms.com", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642427}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615872.4475939, "message": "The topics toward the bottom will all require UX input", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642715}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616231.1238861, "message": "questions?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642805}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616242.1631131, "message": "Not from me", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642808}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616516.5630879, "message": "anything else before I go walk the dog?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642861}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616544.3702979, "message": "Nothing except from thanking you all for your time", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642867}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613473.0452819, "message": "1. Survey result and persona development. 2. Symphony CMS, can we help 3. Symphony 3, whadup?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641893}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613548.3935311, "message": "Cool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641916}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613566.1596141, "message": "(As an aside, I was very impressed with Google Spreadsheets as a survey tool)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641919}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614408.904191, "message": "you know hat", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642169}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614476.5775261, "message": "not sure yet", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642189}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613326.018429, "message": "Are we clear on what we're doing for Members, 2.2.1 and 2.3?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641848}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613358.7929969, "message": "Look, hee's wearing a mask of my face and everything", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641857}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613736.08197, "message": "Craig coded the free text answers to the \"What would make you use Symphony more\" (in essence, a Symphony 3 question)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641957}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614115.278791, "message": "Might take a couple of weeks, things are busy here. No rush though", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642066}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614284.8430121, "message": "It's got everything. Simplicity, branding and social/community", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642125}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614433.1982341, "message": "i'll take the time to write up a summary of the approach, attach some of the design ideas, and post it to the WGs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642177}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614604.5696521, "message": "Nick, how dare you...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642221}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614707.9363101, "message": "My first thought is to start small, read only", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642253}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615677.4522319, "message": "Sounds good.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642664}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613311.232286, "message": "Ok, wary that we're 90mins in now", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641845}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613363.3648961, "message": "(psst, Craig)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641861}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613636.8239341, "message": "I'm not sure if that's a UX task", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641932}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614288.7951591, "message": "awesome", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642126}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614879.7013199, "message": "Wouldn't Github do the notifications?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642329}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615304.4001379, "message": "so I like the linking idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642503}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613410.9410901, "message": "sorry", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641871}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613452.96015, "message": "Alright, the first item is the User Survey results (is that right?)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641886}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613764.1933169, "message": "all the multiple choice questions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641966}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613828.3902371, "message": "[ I'd like to participate in creating personas (that's one the reasons why I join the UX WG!) ]", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641979}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613836.346566, "message": "*joined", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641981}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614605.0904939, "message": "I don't like the idea", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642222}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614411.1509559, "message": "*what", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642170}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614519.2607059, "message": "original idea was for a unified creation process where the user selects a phrase from a dropdown:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642197}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614906.6637249, "message": "right, once we outsource the issues, we outsource the ability to know what ones you've seen", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642337}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615146.9856639, "message": "you lose the ability to do unread counts and email notifications for issues", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642442}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613728.6891861, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641956}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613943.248347, "message": "Yeah. I'm happy to have a look, but I don't think I'll have time to make something meaningful out of it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642006}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613955.8170609, "message": "right. I think a summary with a few choice graphs and some snippets from open questions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642008}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613990.782963, "message": "I'd like to have a look at the data as well. (studied mathematics :-))", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642020}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614000.155056, "message": "The XSLT thing doesn't surprise me though :p", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642023}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614003.266603, "message": "no", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642025}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614089.07424, "message": "okay", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642049}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614090.892477, "message": "ok, so once Nick's drawn up the results, we should spend a week or so analyzing and share our feedback", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642050}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614278.616425, "message": "ahah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642123}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615029.647862, "message": "I'd like new issues to be pulled into my stream", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642383}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615042.7781701, "message": "RSS feed?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642387}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615089.623817, "message": "ah!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642412}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615707.514405, "message": "But in the same vein, it showcases what you can do with a fuckload of customisation and proprietary code", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642669}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615751.19086, "message": "\"Err, if you've got time...\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642679}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615755.691628, "message": "we've also gotten that with the issue tracker too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642681}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615780.536757, "message": "we've got our plan", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642690}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613842.4856639, "message": "biggest complaint is Docs, followed by asset mgmt, user/roles, members, the state of the extensions ecosystem, and... drumroll... XSLT", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641983}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613880.671087, "message": "Ok", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641986}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613884.5667729, "message": "anyway, yeah it'd be great to have some keen UX eyes pore over the results", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641988}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613916.2419391, "message": "There's also a question over how much of this we publish", "group_id": 8448, "id": 641996}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613939.410707, "message": "I don't have any experience about personas, though, I just want to practise a bit :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642005}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614054.9841731, "message": "Simone, I'm the same with personas. I only wrote my first last week for an Airlock project. So this will be great practice for both of us", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642039}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614092.7633369, "message": "great, then :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642051}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614168.6794069, "message": "I've got a rough design sketched out", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642085}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614169.806812, "message": "but", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642086}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614199.428071, "message": "there are some writeboards about the IA on basecamp, Craig", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642092}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614204.2482951, "message": "they could be useful", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642095}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614212.6190829, "message": "as a reference or a starting point", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642098}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614230.159878, "message": "there's a catch here", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642104}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614244.9853079, "message": "the more simplified we make the architecture, the more clever the UX has to be", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642110}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614254.9807241, "message": "that's where you guys come in", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642112}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302613984.501303, "message": "And then everyone analyse it yourselves. We'll all likely spot different things and come up with different reasons", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642017}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614124.580492, "message": "#2 symphony-cms.com", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642072}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614101.8061471, "message": "awesome", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642058}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614551.2885489, "message": "Here's a horrible thought: if you use the issues from Githib for issues on Symphony and its extensions... could you use issues on a dummy repo as a replacement for the forum?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642207}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614766.9163511, "message": ")*", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642279}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615277.1812789, "message": "More admin?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642483}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615293.296561, "message": "Most of the people that are not developing extension never used the issue tracker but posted on the forum", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642494}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615378.9148531, "message": "If that's at all useful", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642545}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615639.3579421, "message": "there's a lot here that we don't even need", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642651}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615642.2391281, "message": "anyway...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642652}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616551.7014461, "message": "Yes, thanks very much everyone", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642871}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614447.820441, "message": "anyone who wants to help we can get a parallel process going", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642182}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614473.7060299, "message": "(what ever the stream will look like)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642187}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615076.192163, "message": "no", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642404}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615805.67484, "message": "sure", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642698}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616734.8440919, "message": "Okay, I'll checkout the GMT branch ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642924}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614451.1652009, "message": "Concerning the issue: do you plan to build your own interface on top of the GitHub API or are you just thinking about displaying issues in \"the stream\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642184}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614487.6561861, "message": "i wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel though", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642191}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614790.6618619, "message": "You could let random users post issues, but really just like a contact form.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642293}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615134.9378829, "message": "right, that's all i'm saying", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642435}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616673.8140421, "message": "And could we please remove timezones with the next release of Symphony", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642911}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614389.123729, "message": "Yeah, I have to look into the API but my inclination is to do it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642160}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614503.642369, "message": "although the issue creation process will interesting", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642192}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614531.9913051, "message": "\"I'm starting a discussion\" \"I have a question\" \"I want to report a bug\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642202}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614544.8056459, "message": "that sort of thing", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642205}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614555.8947451, "message": "Forget I ever said that.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642211}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614717.6085689, "message": "Force people to use Github to report issues", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642258}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614772.486289, "message": "I'd like to see Symphony using Github for issue, forwarding user to Github directly. If we get a real Symphony stream in the next website version I'd like to have issue notifications there.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642282}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614951.0558431, "message": "I don't follow", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642352}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614823.475137, "message": "Only click push to Github and create the issue under an admin's account with the salient details.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642306}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614863.0590379, "message": "That way you're not limiting the reporting of issues to \"core\" developers, but you're not having to reinvent the wheel either.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642320}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615415.789485, "message": "yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642558}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615438.760361, "message": "Just including the original poster's details in the body.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642569}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615493.2296319, "message": "I think that would work well. Gives you all the power of Github, without restricting reporting from other users.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642591}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615771.700278, "message": "True", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642688}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615020.3490281, "message": "think of the issues as an dynamic data source", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642379}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615043.9947021, "message": "so when I visit the Symphony site", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642389}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615083.0495601, "message": "I'm lost", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642407}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615107.1008589, "message": "but this is all visible on Github", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642420}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615314.7486091, "message": "have a forum post that can be tagged as issue", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642509}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615444.0076499, "message": "But include their name/member name in the first message when it gets posted", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642571}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615611.5637519, "message": "clusterfuckery at its finest", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642646}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615759.0488319, "message": "fwiw", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642684}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616392.7949891, "message": "otherwise we'll all get mad", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642835}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617106.7354391, "message": "I bailed.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642989}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617119.1467299, "message": "It's bloody hard work.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642992}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617217.5469501, "message": "Even that has too much to write about.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643004}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614578.6260819, "message": "heh", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642216}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614593.053395, "message": "Sprout is using GitHub as support forum", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642217}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614989.847352, "message": "no issue tracker on symphony-cms.com", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642366}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617588.8473639, "message": "This book will go through:", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643058}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614845.9239891, "message": "it's one thing to ask an extension developer to have a github account, another to ask a random user", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642314}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615080.510118, "message": "well, yes and no", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642405}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615084.640955, "message": "unread counts", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642408}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615191.462105, "message": "that is, some people won't benefit from it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642454}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614744.0618529, "message": "You toyed with the idea of forcing people to use Github when submitting extensions, right?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642273}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614927.18028, "message": "They only work for issues I'm participating in - and I don't want to participate in all issue. But I want to know about existing issues", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642343}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615010.359226, "message": "but we have a stream on our website showing blog posts, forum entries, new extensions etc.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642375}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614822.265871, "message": "right", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642305}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614868.2109721, "message": "i want to keep bug reporting friendly, at least a simplified version of it", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642325}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614868.2620959, "message": "> If we get a real Symphony stream in the next website version I'd like to have issue notifications there.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642326}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302614957.7094729, "message": "@nils: How would you want them to work then?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642354}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615047.4282629, "message": "of course, but that's not the same as notifications", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642390}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615365.971149, "message": "don't want any unnecessary overhead", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642538}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615907.461103, "message": "Content Relationships and Field Architecture seem really interesting", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642723}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617664.3691621, "message": "okay, it's late, bye guys :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643071}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615319.0827451, "message": "Nils' wife?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642512}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617385.4408691, "message": "Webkit, surely", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643035}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615102.7891109, "message": "just the idea that the system is keeping track of what you need to be made aware of", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642419}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615199.3262291, "message": "yeah I don't think it's a huge issue, but something to be aware of", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642458}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615072.6154349, "message": "you are talking about email notifications, right?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642402}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615358.0325799, "message": "I'll have to think about this some more", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642530}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615582.2546971, "message": "yeah the biggest motivation for rebuilding is to build something we can actually maintain", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642636}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615629.103723, "message": "so I just want everything simplified", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642650}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615721.3375139, "message": "\"Symphony.\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642672}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615789.006614, "message": "Btw, everyone still here?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642694}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616318.292074, "message": "(*Members* ...)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642822}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616374.3882699, "message": "3-5 total", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642831}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616419.0328569, "message": "further along for some than for others", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642841}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616929.152108, "message": "Co-writing something on mobile web dev for Sitepoint.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642956}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617053.214293, "message": "Hope so.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642972}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617090.8127689, "message": "I started the Symphony book with Craig", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642984}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615117.623369, "message": "yes, for github users", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642428}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615133.015166, "message": "I don't think anyone else is going to care enough.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642432}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615180.5248821, "message": "if you port the issue tracker on GitHub, you have to accept this drawback, I think", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642449}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615184.9038789, "message": "I don't see that as problematic.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642451}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615197.5480349, "message": "so nothing to miss", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642457}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615201.5571351, "message": "But you can provide a trail in say that use case I outlined before.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642459}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615228.933495, "message": "There's still the problem that non-Github users cannot submit issues", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642465}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615254.6379621, "message": "If non-Github user creates issue, Craig pushes as new to Github, then the issue on Github can be linked to something on the Symphony site.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642473}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615295.695447, "message": "Perhaps, but how many non-Github users create issues at the moment?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642496}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615311.083482, "message": "I can think of one or two", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642506}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615336.336123, "message": "My wife has a Github account :P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642520}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615348.290916, "message": "You're a lucky, lucky man.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642525}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615362.6225801, "message": "We've got the option of tying a Symphony user account to a Github account (oAuth)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642534}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615408.2416289, "message": "You could make it so non-GH submitted issues are created by a dummy account.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642554}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615471.4300649, "message": "Nevar.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642582}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615476.874141, "message": "So lots to consider", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642585}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615404.933913, "message": "For example submitting an issue directly from Symphony site (API) using your authenticated account", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642553}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615732.6191821, "message": "\"Sweet! So I can build one with Symphony too?\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642675}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617207.30654, "message": "A reasonable amount \u2014 am writing the bits on design/HTML/CSS.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643003}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615813.534584, "message": "Si.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642700}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616708.5196431, "message": "open a new issue on the \"world 2.0\" github repo, Nils", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642917}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616924.489536, "message": "I'm curious", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642954}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617159.571568, "message": "I don't know how I'd ever find the time", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643000}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615194.6715021, "message": "but haven't had these features until know", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642456}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615324.1863439, "message": "and linked to the Github issue tracker", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642516}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615415.058876, "message": "Or an anonymous account", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642557}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615597.9053409, "message": "the current implementation is...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642641}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615654.2668951, "message": "again, I'll whip up a summary of the plans", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642656}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615939.9653909, "message": "\"interesting\" does not sound like \"fun\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642731}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616480.1197829, "message": "by no means will we start one of these chats with 15 people and say, \"Ok what does everyone think?\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642850}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616559.805748, "message": "Max, good to see you again", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642877}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617389.9867899, "message": "WebKit yeah.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643036}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617602.374753, "message": "- Theory: why web and not native, etc", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643059}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615427.5475061, "message": "yeah that'd be the best bet", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642563}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615487.089561, "message": "It seems that the biggest problem is maintenance", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642589}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615796.4194319, "message": ";-)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642696}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616602.8018391, "message": "okay", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642890}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616743.8786271, "message": ";)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642926}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616857.336062, "message": "please line up to the queue.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642944}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617133.1045671, "message": "ahah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642997}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615506.5853391, "message": "Existing registration/members is buggy, issues are buggy, and the forum is buggy", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642598}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615777.3935659, "message": "anyway", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642689}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615789.007035, "message": "next up... s3", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642693}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615821.1354401, "message": "2hrs 15min. Last agenda point :P", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642703}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615835.53651, "message": "really, all you need to know about S3 is here: https://symphonycms.basecamphq.com/projects/6054819/posts/44651736/comments", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642706}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615890.1471679, "message": "static pages, multilingual sites, extension management, etc", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642719}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615969.096477, "message": "I already did SSM so someone else might fix up the system :D", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642736}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616043.3902681, "message": "anyway, the next step here is just for people to volunteer to be part of some of those discussions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642759}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616048.9874091, "message": "that's really all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642762}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616268.6796961, "message": "Is there a limit to who can sit in each?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642813}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616390.3193369, "message": "they will be", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642834}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616410.2378371, "message": "i'll provide a rough summary of where our thinking is currently at", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642838}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616494.4250419, "message": "eheh", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642853}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616748.1019521, "message": "cu you guys", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642928}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615661.3699751, "message": "and share with the WGs", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642660}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616577.8532629, "message": "@eKoes: the result will be a proposal", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642881}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616580.216614, "message": "Enthusiasm is infectious", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642884}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616883.5903909, "message": "I'll do you a swap.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642948}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617079.400382, "message": "haha", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642978}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617081.780875, "message": "Catch you later, Nick.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642980}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617287.1796091, "message": "Hard to write about split platforms like Android.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643015}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617298.7495799, "message": "\"This might work on most Android phones\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643019}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617323.261739, "message": "Moreso because Apple are the only ones with concrete documentation for their browser.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643022}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616260.9133191, "message": "Yes actually", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642812}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616830.3176401, "message": "back to electronics, anyone can study it for me?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642941}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616842.313709, "message": "noone?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642942}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615689.691648, "message": "The current site is neat because it showcases what you can do", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642667}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615717.0368221, "message": "\"Wow this forum is great, what does it use?\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642671}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615781.8932271, "message": "Cool", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642691}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615953.1014559, "message": ";)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642734}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616283.2219501, "message": "If everyone shows up to one of the chats it could be carnage", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642816}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616511.433207, "message": "So, who wants ice cream now?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642860}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616653.1730781, "message": "Have a nice day/night/whatsoever :)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642909}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616681.489373, "message": "that would really be a great new feature", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642912}, {"user_id": 22710, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616758.9550021, "message": "bye everybody", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642929}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617515.7405829, "message": "This is true", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643052}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615920.804925, "message": "field architecture does involve that concept of behaviors", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642725}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615923.6104729, "message": "so yeah", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642727}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615930.369643, "message": "and relationships is a HUGE one for UX", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642729}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302615946.1928549, "message": "ha", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642733}, {"user_id": 22655, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616384.6507831, "message": "It would be great if these chats could more about proposals and not about open questions", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642832}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616428.779706, "message": "and there will be a set agenda", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642842}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616433.571924, "message": "very structured", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642844}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616558.371973, "message": "I like the way you think, Nils.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642874}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616559.23453, "message": "Not just today, but for the continued enthusiasm of the WG", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642876}, {"user_id": 7384, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616626.0632019, "message": "great, thanks a million all", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642903}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616784.002054, "message": "Night folks.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642934}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616893.6714561, "message": "You write my book, and I'll learn electronics for you.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642951}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616912.3089321, "message": "which book?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642953}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616952.543047, "message": "sounds cool!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642957}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616962.6020491, "message": "Yeah, will be good once it's done :p", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642958}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616969.078794, "message": "eheh", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642960}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617272.8719809, "message": "It's an interesting challenge. Esp. trying not to be too iOS focused.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643012}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616554.2216311, "message": "will there be summaries for each chat?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642873}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616589.6715629, "message": "You too, mate. Apologies for my mostly absent nature.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642886}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617550.7293251, "message": "I've spotted quite a few new books recently", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643056}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616786.5223629, "message": "bye", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642935}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616853.8537719, "message": "I can sit your test.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642943}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616868.5060489, "message": "Unlikely you'll pass though.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642946}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302616971.3456531, "message": "30,000 words and counting...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642962}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617040.4209371, "message": "well, the effort is worth the satisfation once the book is complete", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642970}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617056.7661991, "message": "I'd like to write a book too", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642973}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617061.335948, "message": "Bye all!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642974}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617068.8664761, "message": "I can imagine the title \"jokes that aren't funny\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642975}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617076.878705, "message": "or \"How to run away from electronics\"", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642976}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617078.1904161, "message": "and so on", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642977}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617079.8662119, "message": ";)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642979}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617086.176084, "message": "bye Nick", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642981}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617105.242486, "message": "We got as far as... chapter outline", "group_id": 8448, "id": 642988}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617314.793421, "message": "The last mobile site I IAd I said fuck it and use iOS templates", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643020}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617315.095227, "message": "poor Android", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643021}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617333.7871699, "message": "Heh.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643024}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617400.8448501, "message": "But different from MobileSafari.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643040}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617449.7911811, "message": "Plus it's all a moving target anyway because Android are mostly just copying whatever Apple come up with for this stuff.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643047}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617456.9876339, "message": "Good times", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643049}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617475.6974881, "message": "Least the space isn't stagnant :p", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643050}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617383.501564, "message": "What browser does Android use?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643034}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617274.434052, "message": "Hehe", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643013}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617449.8550069, "message": "looks like once the word \"standard\" has been created, nobody cared about standards anymore...", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643048}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618125.2064559, "message": "Good luck with the writing mate", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643172}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618135.6690421, "message": "Cheers, chat soon.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643175}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617164.4024589, "message": "Have you done much mobile stuff?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643002}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617293.816608, "message": "Yeah it's easy to fall into", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643018}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617342.373255, "message": "I had the benefit of the web analytics that 95% of mobile browsers were iOS", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643025}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617353.235142, "message": "Zactly.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643026}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617363.9976051, "message": "And that was for a damned council site", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643028}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617369.2057259, "message": "No Blackberry in sight!", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643029}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617371.8058579, "message": "There's almost no official information about the features of the Android browser on various OS versions.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643031}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617372.9140429, "message": "better iOS than WinPhone7 ;)", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643032}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617416.3175211, "message": "And things like fonts are different, meta tags are different, etc.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643045}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617428.765137, "message": "And where they are supported they differ between vendors.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643046}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617539.0052071, "message": "And at least I'm only writing about it.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643055}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617607.218394, "message": "- HTML/CSS", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643062}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617579.836112, "message": "Nothing super-new.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643057}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617618.1780059, "message": "- JavaScript and various behavioural elements", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643065}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617537.960768, "message": "Without sounding rude, what is there new to say about mobile development?", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643054}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617675.4906139, "message": "Cheers, mate.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643077}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617689.639724, "message": "None of it is mind-blowing. More providing a good overview and a base reference.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643078}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618054.72837, "message": "The wrappers bit will be very handy", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643153}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617604.037725, "message": "- Design", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643060}, {"user_id": 23315, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617670.1359899, "message": "and good luck with your book, Max", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643074}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617627.40378, "message": "- Native wrappers like Phonegap", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643066}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618045.610003, "message": "Sounds good", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643151}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618064.5021131, "message": "It's one of those things I keep poutting on my todo list", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643157}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302617716.3604901, "message": "A lot of it is just best practices for web dev.", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643082}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618068.8537149, "message": "But it always falls off", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643159}, {"user_id": 23059, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618080.684392, "message": "As with so many things :p", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643160}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618088.4750221, "message": "So having someone explain the benefits of each to me would be rad", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643163}, {"user_id": 23210, "stars": [], "topic_id": 18876, "date_created": 1302618096.834944, "message": "Anyways I need to scoot", "group_id": 8448, "id": 643165}]